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The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation

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Just make sure you know the difference of 5-MeO-AMT and AMT. 5-MeO-AMT is 5-10x stronger if my memory serves me correctly.
 
Its best to start with an allergy test first, then a clinical anti-depressant dose to see how you react (5-10mg), then take it higher if you wish.

Jumping straight in at 60mg isn't a great idea.
 
If I take an oral anti-depressant dose (i.e. 10mg) tomorrow (Wednesday) just to test the waters, will I be able to trip on Saturday?

I'm going to a music festival for a lot of the day on Saturday and I figure AMT would be a good option. However, I've not yet dosed it orally (just tried vaping it, somewhat unsuccessfully or not high enough dosage thus far). Therefore I figure I should at least test at lower dosage to get a feel first... But I'm scared that it will make dosing on Saturday problematic...
 
Stuff is base, white with 75%naphtalene-25%DMT odor, no any scatol odor at all.
Dont want to do a TR, just the shema :

H : 40 mg oral morning with no food.
H+1h first feeling until H+2h30 : not enjoyable, like when a murshrom trip before it began : yawn, stretch, sleepy, tremor.
H+2h30 it begins, a sort of benzo-trippy buzz, dont want to do anything
H+4h : mild euphoria, always sleepy, eat a bit
H+4h30 : begin to fade out
H+8h : end

I think a starting mild dose may be 30 mg for me.
No pupill dilatation, not empathie, very light euphoria and nothing i can do (reading, watching a film...).
Just loosing a day, like 4meoPCP did to me, not sure i will do it twice.
 
In response to Listening's questions, it's always best to wait at least a week between doses, however if you stay strictly at the lower end of an antidepressant dose then you may well manage to trip a few days afterwards on a higher dose. The only problem is the increased nausea you'll feel at a higher dose (at least when taken orally) - I never get it at lower levels but it's VERY apparent at the psychedelic level, albeit transient and followed by utter bliss. Some green (or other anti-emetic) is highly recommended. I would also bear in mind the 'come up shits' experienced by many, myself included. I certainly wouldn't want to chance a festival toilet queue, so make alternative arrangements for this if you possibly can.
 
I've searched for quite a while but can't find info on smoking the grey hcl version, i know the freebase is designed for that purpose but i can only get hcl, does it still work? And what would be the best method of smoking the stuff?
 
I probably overplayed the nausea thing; it's definitely there but it does pass and you feel amazing afterwards. I feel more nauseous on mushrooms sometimes to be honest. The only worry would be that somebody with no experience would freak out and think they'd taken too much. Having said that, the best way to avoid it would be to plug. I've not done this myself but many people say there's no nausea that way.
 
Psychonautical said:
a first timer last night smoked 10mg and had excessive leg vibrations but said he felt great.
Few hours into the trip he asked for another 10mg orally consumed 5mg with a glass of orange juice and smoked the other 5 on a small bowl of weed.

Within 45 minutes he said definitely feels like LSD. except for this speedy sensation.
He said it was much cleaner and more open than any mdma he has done.


I'm going to be taking 15mg all at once, rather than 5 and then 10, 2 hours later this weekend with my girlfriend.

I'm not at all ... scared by the material. dont get me wrong.
I do have depression. like clinically diagonosed depression. I really only trip out, when i am on that more positive upswing. But i think because i was feeling down. I took this drug, which was marketed as an anti depressant and being nervous about the effects and then suddenly being surprised at feeling authentically happy left me feeling curious as to why it happened.


it's the yellow and tan freebase. uber stinky.
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I'm pretty damn sure I have the same batch as you have Psychonautical. It's beige-gold colored, and FUCKING REEKS. It smells like concentrated mothballs. Very stinky. It was so stinky it made picking it up from the post office kinda of sketchy. Anyways, I have done it three times since I got it. The first time I took it on a hike, the second time I took it and went to work, and the third time, I took it before a huge sweet ass party with some DJs playing. That last time I also did some mushrooms and drank about 7-8 beers.

Anyways, the first time I took it when I went on the hike, I was totally fucking impressed. It was clearheaded, but I also got noticeable visual enhancement. Lots of speedy energy, easy to talk to my friend and girlfriend. It still felt grounded, and in this world. I suppose that is one way that I would say it differs from LSD quite significantly. The dose was 15 mgs as well.

The second time I did it, I tried it before going to work at my job at the grocery store, where I am a produce clerk. It sure did give me a shitload of energy, and added a nice sparkle to the day. My dose was a bit too high, and it was sometimes difficult to remain focused on conversations and staying on task, but really it wasn't that bad. I still carried on at work totally fine, nobody suspected anything (and if they did, they didn't say anything haha). But yeah, it's like a perfect mixup of MDMA, LSD, and amphetamine. well, no, I don't like doing that, it's AMT, and it's fantastic !!! Dose was 7.5 mgs at 8 in the morning, and then 7.5 mgs again at 12 o'clock noon, for a total of 15 mgs. Stretching out the dose worked nicely on this occaision.

The third time I took it at the party, and mixed it with mushrooms and beers. Dose was 18 mgs of AMT, followed by unknown but not tooooo big amount of mushrooms about 1 and 2 hours after dosing AMT. SOOOO FUUUN. I was realllly fucked up though. I had quite a bad case of ataxia (drunken stumbling). The alcohol + mushrooms + amt really really really made me wobbly. Mostly this experince is just hedonistic recreational poly-drug use, so I won't taint the AMT pseudo-research with my ravey party ramblings. But I will say, I didn't feel that bad at all the next day, mostly I remember feeling quite alright.

This stuff definietly has an awesome afterglow. The day after AMT is still a totally awesome day. I still feel like I did drugs yesterday, but a nice afterglow none the less. AMT does give me stomach and muscle tension, and I feel like it is quite dehydrating, and could DEFINITELY leave you with a headache if you don't stay hydrated during your trip. I like this stuff though, great material.

Next time I do it will probably be at Shambhala music festival. I'm not sure how much I want to dose, i'm thinking 35 mgs, and then I will undoubtedly be mixing it with ketamine and maybe acid and MDMA and 2C-D (well those are things that I COULD mix it with if I want to....i think my days of intense drug combos are coming to an end...they're just...so intense. DOUBLE DRUG COMBO ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE SKY.

OH MAN I CAN'T FUCKING WAIT for SHAMBHALA !!!!!!!!! 6 more days yeah !
 
rainey said:
I took 11mg at 12pm and felt it within 15mins.Waited till 0145 and felt fine so took another 23mg. The next 2 hours my heart was in my mouth. No sickness or running to toilet but incredible anxiousness. At 0345 the fear subsided but I was left with the negative feeling of lsd with none of the positives. Absolutely no visuals or visual distortion of any kind. At 4.45 I got fed up with the feeling and took 10mg diazepam. Oh man then I felt incredible like E from years ago. Next time I take this I am going to take it with 10mg diaz again and I bet I will love every minute of it. Grey stuff capped.
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come up's are anxiety inducing most of the time, maybe if you take valium frequently then you could be getting rebound anxiety.

all i know is i tend to save sedatives for the end of a stimulant, rather than to cancel the anxiety the stimulant causes. i had a friend who used to take valiums with cocaine, and he ended up with a serious valium/xanax addiction. just be carefull.
 
valium x cocaine.
Wow if there was ever a combo that could kill you quicker.
it'd be that one.

maybe next to that atropine laced Heroin.
 
The stuff I had was like a dull grey colour tasted bitter I only had 40mgs and was fucked for 20 hours no joke. Nice visuals too
 
the stuff i have is the yellow//tan ultra stinky mothball stuff.
bought in Canada. thats all im going to say.
What you guys are getting is from Europe.
 
Psychonautical said:
the stuff i have is the yellow//tan ultra stinky mothball stuff.
bought in Canada. thats all im going to say.
What you guys are getting is from Europe.
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wel the stuff i described is what i'm getting and i'm from UK its nice stuff too 40mgs is plenty whats your stuff from canada like?
 
Sounds like the Canadians have the freebase. Increased potency, balanced out by an unholy smell. A trade-off. Kind of like having a beautiful, scenic country to live in but having the yanks as neighbours... I jest of course.
 
^ HCL in the UK is slightly less potent, and slightly less visual, but apparently, much for stim/euphoric than the freebase synths.

Strange, but true for most people (although very very different experiences reported using the same product/vendor/synth, so could just be one of those drugs that hit people very differently).
 
Yeah, I don't think I can recall seeing such wildly differing trip reports, even at identical doses and identical synths!

Course, dosage isn't everything, but it goes to show how versatile and interesting the stuff actually is.
 
I don't think there's anything inherently dangerous as far as drug interactions go, but just think about it - the benzos take the edge off the coke but also make you feel the coke less, meaning more coke gets taken to compensate. Or the other way round - tolerance to the sedative effects of benzos means taking more of them than would be required without the coke. Throw alcohol or other CNS depressants into the mixture and you've got a great route to an OD there.

Of course, plenty of people do it. Danny Whitten did; look him up sometime.
 
I NUK3D U said:
^ HCL in the UK is slightly less potent, and slightly less visual, but apparently, much for stim/euphoric than the freebase synths.

Strange, but true for most people (although very very different experiences reported using the same product/vendor/synth, so could just be one of those drugs that hit people very differently).
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it not uncommon for people to have varying effects from a psychedelic.
Even on different trips from the same batch.

The hcl should not be more stim/euphoric while the freebase is more visual.

The only real difference (other than impurities) should be the dose required. (80mg of freebase=~100mg of hcl)
 
That's what I thought. It's a really, really subjective substance. That's part of the appeal.

Though it doesn't stop me feeling slightly disappointed that the little orange chunks in my bag of Hcl don't have any extra magic in them...
 
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