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The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation

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the freebase i have is bright tan.
and stinks like mothballs and dmt.

Curiosity...

5mg had me rolling balls.
10more 2 hours later had me tripping not "balls" but i was definately a medium ++.5
From Midnight until Noon the next day i was high...

is there a possibility that there are different isomers of AMT
like how ketamine has different isomers or is that just an utterly useless notion.

I know what i have isnt 5-meo-amt.
this is AMT
i've had 5-meo-amt before no smell or anything really
and if i took 15mg i would have been high for DAYS not hours.
and felt like shit for DAYS
instead of glowing beautifully for days afterwards.

Like its really weirding me out that i got so fucked up from so little.
I mean... i did get into an accident
This is the first drug i've taken in over a month.
and it was my first time taking it.
But i have taken LSD and Amphetamine and MDMA and all the 2c's before.
but it just caught me off guard how much mileage i attained from such a tiny amount.

i imagine an allergic reaction or something like that would be strictly held within the domain of alot of physical negative symptoms
not an increase in positive ones.

I also DO NOT understand half of the posts on erowid they all claim
25-75mg as like a first timer starting dose.
i felt as if i took more than what i did that night... i'd need to be restained a little lol.
Then again, i do battle with depression....maybe that was just what it felt like to be truly happy.
 
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hey guys:), recieved my amt in post today, came in a jiffy packaged in a jet black non seethrough bag, weighed out 6x 40 mg bags,tiny bit of dust left in bag which i will use for an allergy test on sunday 9.00am soon as i finish work ,YAY \O/, cant fooking wait !!!, used my weed guys scales due to the importance of acurate dosage, crystals were of varying sizes with a eggy , bad breath smell but i wouldnt say overly foul as the freebase was reported, i will take a 40 mg dose on empty stomach after a few spliffs, i will smoke spliffs throughout the duration of being off my head:P


edit* just had 15mg for the purposes of science

read what Goku says about alcohol, i find when i used to mix stuff with it ruined the buzz slightly, with it being a depresssant after say 3 drinks, how much alcohol did ya take mate?
 
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aMT does have two stereoisomers, but there's no way that one is that much more potent than the racemate. also i highly doubt that any chinese/... lab would go through the effort of enantioselective synthesis.
you either are extremely sensitive to amt or have simply received a different compound altogether.
have you tried reagent tests on your material?
 
Psychonautical said:
....i had 15mg in my system in total. I was experiencing full LSDesque hallucinations....
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... and you're absolutely sure you're not reading the units wrong (0.15 instead of 0.015 - sorry if you are; just checking). I'm sensitive to psychs (i get a fair buzz of 15 mg), but i have to use 35 or more to start getting substantial euphoria and visual effects (and even then, not full LSD-esque ones).

You say you have freebase - this is a bit more potent by weight than the HCl (but it shouldn't be twice as potent)

OP - always start with allergy/5-meo-amt test (~1mg). Then, i'd say starting dose depends on experience with other psychs - if you have none, start with a little dose (15-25) to get used to the tryptamine feeling. If you've done plenty of other trips, i'd say jump in with at least 30-35mg

(these figures are based on the grey HCl - decrease them for the 'base).
 
From Tihkal:

There is quite obviously a wide range of reported effect described for a-MT, indicating much individual variability. For some it has a fast onset, for others a slow one. Some find it a good psychedelic, others are disturbed by the negative physical side-effects. This is all a bit reminiscent of harmaline, where the spectrum of responses also range from 1 to 10 on a scale of 1 to 10.
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Psychonautical, it is most likely because you received the freebase which is considered more psychedelic and stronger than the grey HCL salt going around at the moment in the UK. Do you guys think if i converted my salt to the freebase, it would be more potent?
 
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the relative weight for weight potency of freebase a-MT vs a-MT HCl just down to there being an additional one mole of HCl per mole of a-MT in the hydrochloride salt, thus a-MT HCl is slightly heavier per mole than freebase?

Comparing freebase and the hydrochloride salt, all other things being equal, mole for mole they should both of equal potency, no?
 
^ you are absolutely correct, and if we were comparing the the HCL and freebase of the same synth, then there should be little difference (assuming the same rate of absorbtion).

The HCL around at the moment is a different synth to the freebase however. The HCL tends to have very high levels of euphoria, and limited visuals at lower doses (increasing at higher doses). The freebase is the opposite. Visuals are high, but some report a distinct lack of euphoric stimulation.

The comparison being made is between the batches, not (I don't think), between the 'form'.
 
So, if different 'synths' of a-MT, as opposed to different forms (freebase or HCl), really do produce different effects this must either be due to different levels/types of impurities, or different isomers.

In a post somewhere above someone claims that there should be no difference in effect between stereo isomers, so that just leaves impurities - but then one, or more synths must have a fair degree of contamination with some other mystery chemical(s) to produce really pronounced effects.

My gut feeling is that the perceived differences are either down to varying sensitivity to a-MT between different people, or that different forms (freebase/HCl) have different absorption rates, or even that isomerism can play a role.
 
I tried this for first time last week. Did approx. 60mg. That was about right. I'm a bit of a caner so wanted to feel it in all its glory for the fist time. Didn't want to be underwelmed. 60 was perfect. But be prepared for the long haul! The experience lasted 11 hrs (ish) plus not an easy/ druggy interrupted sleep after.

Tom
 
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... and you're absolutely sure you're not reading the units wrong (0.15 instead of 0.015 - sorry if you are; just checking). I'm sensitive to psychs (i get a fair buzz of 15 mg), but i have to use 35 or more to start getting substantial euphoria and visual effects (and even then, not full LSD-esque ones).
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First time 5 mg -> nothing.
Next day 10 mg -> nothing
Next 20 mg -> perhaps some little euphoria at H+6h ...
Next time i try 40 mg for my "first dose".
 
a first timer last night smoked 10mg and had excessive leg vibrations but said he felt great.
Few hours into the trip he asked for another 10mg orally consumed 5mg with a glass of orange juice and smoked the other 5 on a small bowl of weed.

Within 45 minutes he said definitely feels like LSD. except for this speedy sensation.
He said it was much cleaner and more open than any mdma he has done.


I'm going to be taking 15mg all at once, rather than 5 and then 10, 2 hours later this weekend with my girlfriend.

I'm not at all ... scared by the material. dont get me wrong.
I do have depression. like clinically diagonosed depression. I really only trip out, when i am on that more positive upswing. But i think because i was feeling down. I took this drug, which was marketed as an anti depressant and being nervous about the effects and then suddenly being surprised at feeling authentically happy left me feeling curious as to why it happened.


it's the yellow and tan freebase. uber stinky.
 
I think its personaly differances.

I used to have freebase which Ifound to be less psychedelic than the HCL oddly enough.

Only got visuals on freebase the first time I tried it however on HCL I get visuals everytime.

Mind you the freebase original visuals were intense but so were the HCL when I frist tried that so I wouldn;t say tolerance is too much at play.
 
^^ 5 mg of 5-MeO-AMT would not feel like 180 mg of mdma with a hint of speed!
Comparing 5-MeO-AMT to mdma is wrong IMO.
It sounds like he is especially sensitive to AMT.
 
So the common consenus seems to be AMT has the empathogenic effects of MDMA in doses around 30 - 40 mgs, turning speedy and trippy like LSD at higher doses. And with that uncomfortable sleep afterwards. No nausea and you can drink alcohol on it?

Some people say it lasts a very long time, so take early rather than re-dose at 1am if you need to sleep by 3 ish?

Anyone have good tips for sleeping after it? And whats it like to mix with something like Meph later in the night?
 
Just had my first dose of AMT yesterday after a 3 year gap. I got a couple of g again due to a general disenchantment with empathogens such as MDMA and M1 etc. I can't recapture my initial enjoyment of these compounds, and to try and do so (pushing up the dose etc) seems unhealthy, to say the least.
Anyway at midday, I took a 40mg dose on a nearly empty stomach, and after two hours I was subtly altered but by no means satisfied. Slight borderline visual enhancement but by no means impressive. Pleasant mild mental state. Redose at 3hr with 20mg, to no massive effect, and again 3 hours after that. By about 9pm I was yawning (I had done a shift on postal delivery between 5 and 12). Had a mildly stimulating evening of guitar practice, Cubase crunching and talking with my better half. To be honest, I was underwhelmed. On a different occasion, the same dosage pattern had me blissed out with some minor tummy rumbles but generally having a great time.
My point is, this stuff is very unpredictable. You think you want to be sure to hit the sweet spot regarding dose, but to do so might actually result in overshooting the margin by a long way, depending on a range of variables which are beyond my understanding.
Tolerance might be part of the issue, seeing that I had a great Saturday evening of movies and quality time with the Mrs last weekend after I had washed down 5mg of DOM with my dinner. Overall while the DOM supplies a powerful drive which can be uncomfortable if not channelled into some constructive activity (like conversation, sex or even gardening!) I found it intellectual more interesting than AMT. However, I'm feeling tip top today after last nights dose so it is much lighter on the body than DOM was.
Not sure I'd mix it with stuff like Meph though. I would combine it with DMT for a blast, or other simillar Tihkal materials, but the stims sound a bit off to me.
Peace - Pipp
 
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