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Opioids OG Octagonal Opana ER - MEGA THREAD - can't find YOUR thread? check here.

Lol great. Well this sucks, I was really trying to keep my tolerance at a minimum this time around! Maybe 3 or 4, 5 MAX blues at once. I'm gunna try to switch back to my roxys and just leave the Opana alone for right now and see if that does anything.
 
suckmydrugs said:
Another QQ: I have been searching and searching for the past 30 minutes and cannot find any good instructions or directions on how to correctly plug an Opana ER 20mg pill! Can someone please link me or quote and answer my question please?

Much appreciated!!!

~SuckMyDrugs
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It's not worth plugging. I can't speak for the IR's, but even if you mix the ERs with 170F hot water to minimize gelling, the high is weaker than snorting the same amount. Others have confirmed this on Bluelight.
 
arthunter888 said:
It's not worth plugging. I can't speak for the IR's, but even if you mix the ERs with 170F hot water to minimize gelling, the high is weaker than snorting the same amount. Others have confirmed this on Bluelight.
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I actually went ahead and tried plugging it and all I felt was very warm and a little bit dizzy for about 15 minutes. :\ Not my kind of euphoria/high that I enjoy, so I won't be doing that again! Not worth all the time and effort for that nonsense. I'd rather just pop 150mg of oxycodone and be good for 2 hours & not jones the rest of the day. %)

~SuckMyDrugs
 
Colored fonts and cartoons In a post IS a great idea - it's an easy way to know which users posts to skip over.

Kind of like the way you know there isn't much to be learned from reading a research paper written in crayon.
 
orly?

Thanks John_Burrows, that means a lot. I'll be sure to use colors and diff fonts more often.

^ OKAY maybe that was a bit too much, but mainly intended to get to John_Burrows.

Anyways, I figured something out: When I don't use Opana during the day and only use roxicodone; I can actually retrieve euphoria! It's only the days I use the Opana in which I don't get any euphoria. Maybe its not all "tolerance"!
 
i've read most of this thread (but its reallly long haha). my doc switched me from oxys to opana er and ir a while ago because they thought i was abusing them (which i guess i was, but i was always smart about it...). so anyways, i had 5mg ir's and 10mg er's, and never could really snort enough of them to get me high. i have a high tolerance b/c ive been prescribed for awhile. anyways, i just had surgery and doc gave me 20mg er's for the pain, so i thought those might be better for snorting than the little 5mg IR's or 10mg er's. i never managed to snort more than 4 or 5 little opanas before the dust got to me. so i just snorted 2 20mg er's to see what will happen and see if i can get the high some of you have reported. it usually takes me at like 80mg of oxy to get sufficiently buzzed, so i thought id see if 40mg of opana would do anything. i did the long line, hard snort technique described before, and it didnt gell up too bad. i did it about 20 min ago and i feel a bit of a buzz, but nothing like a nod-fest that i get when i snort oxy. so im gonna wait awhile and see if things change. so now my questions:
do you think 40mg's is enough?
whats a rough oxy to opana mg converter?
what are the best ways to snort it (considering i only have 5mg ir's, and i can only snort so much.... its so much powder!)
thanks for the help, and sorry if these questions were already answered
 
There are threads and even sites that have just the kind of conversion charts you are looking for. Search my friend, search.

I have a question for you - what makes you think the doc thinks you are abusing the meds? Do you know for sure or are you just being paranoid?
 
i searched around, thanks. just wondering if some people had more 1st hand personal knowledge than just some website. my grades in college started suffering a bit as i had a bout of depression (i have anxiety issues, chronic pain, and ptsd from being run over by a forklift, so ive been through a lot). they started to assume i was abusing it, but i never went over my daily dosage. never. maybe once or twice a month i would snort it. and to tell you the truth, it is much easier to study while on opana than oxycodone, but IMO it just doesnt work as well with the pain and theres no euphoria taking it orally, which i could use once in awhile.
 
unfortunately those conversion charts are usually limited to oral/IV.

if anyone knows plugging conversions that would be great!

ie: 20mg oxy = ? opana plugged?

20mg hydrocodone = ? dilaudid plugged?
 
After much trial and error trying to find my maximum tolerable dose with oxycodone and opana, with the aide of a milligram scale I have found that 5mg of oxymorphone (snorted with good technique from high strength Opana ER) is my limit. And 15mg oxycodone (plugged from IR) is my limit.

Since each trial is 7 days apart (no tolerance), I can safely say that for me snorted opana is about 3x as potent as plugged oxycodone. If we are talking empty stomach, I'll bet the conversion to oral oxycodone is pretty similar. However, oral Opana is said to be exactly twice as potent as oral oxycodone. But, I'm not sure how this relates to ER, since only a partial dose is released at onset.
 
No sir.

arthunter888 said:
However, oral Opana is said to be exactly twice as potent as oral oxycodone. But, I'm not sure how this relates to ER, since only a partial dose is released at onset.
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Oral Opana is only 10% bioavailability! And oral Oxycodone is around 80% bioavailability. So actually it's not even comparable at all! ;)
 
i dont think bioavailability is the measure of potency is it? opana is a stronger drug, but yes it does have lower bioavailability. they just work differently. i believe oxymorphone turns into oxycodone in the bloodstream.
 
danktropolis said:
i dont think bioavailability is the measure of potency is it? opana is a stronger drug, but yes it does have lower bioavailability. they just work differently. i believe oxymorphone turns into oxycodone in the bloodstream.
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Danktropolis, I believe oxymorphone is an active metabolite of oxycodone. So when you take oxycodone your body converts it into oxymorphone. I haven't had a chance to experiment with Opana yet as I haven't stumbled across any. I thought about talking to my pain management doctor about it but I don't have health insurance and I've heard they are wicked expensive so for now I'll settle for my roxys.
 
suckmydrugs said:
Oral Opana is only 10% bioavailability! And oral Oxycodone is around 80% bioavailability. So actually it's not even comparable at all! ;)
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Actually, the oral conversion that says 2x already accounts for their relative bioavailabilities. Oxymorphone is only a step down from Fentanyl in potency (strength per mg). Meaning in terms of potency it's #2 of all the commonly prescribed opiates.

Just to give you an idea of why 10% absorption still makes it twice as potent as oxycodone: if you were to inject oxymorphone, 1mg of (IV) oxymorphone is equal to roughly 20mg of (IV) oxycodone (opiate conversioin calculator)!

I'll try to do the math just for fun. If this math or logic is faulty, please let me know... IV is 100% absorption. Since OM is 20x the potency of OC with 100% BA (IV), you can calculate for other BAs with the ratio.

1mg OM = 20mg OC... x 10% (for oral) = 2mg OC.

Remove the transition and 1mg oral OM = 2mg oral OC
(twice as potent).
 
All these charts and numbers ultimately mean very little as every reacts differently, both physically and mentally, to different drugs, as well as the roa.

I'm not sure I see the point of looking for stats; when you have a bottle of pills in front of you, swallow one on the first day, snort on the second and plug the third. See how you like each roa (and the effects of the drug in general) and take it from there.

Ultimately, that's all that really matters. All this talk of conversion charts and what not just seems like a lot of bluelight wanking.
 
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Guys, we are all talking about the same thing here, right? Bioavailability and potency are extremely similar. For instance since Opana has only 10% BA and Oxys have around 85% (I'm only referring to orally) - in this example Oxycodone would be the stronger one, am I right? And yes I know that Opana is supposedly 4-5 times stronger in dose and analgesia but when taken orally it really doesn't do much. I know one of you is going to correct me but thats okay. It's what BL is here for!
 
^i do not know what people have been talking about, but bioavailability and potency are not the same thing or even similar.

for example
oral oxymorphone is about 2x more potent than oral oxycodone, meaning, in a sense, mg for mg, oral oxymorphone is twice as strong as oral oxy. ex. 5mg of oral oxymorphone=10mg of oral oxycodone.

bioavailability is just how much of the ingested drug makes it into your bloodstream. it is taken into consideration when talking about potency, meaning oxymorphone's low oral bioavailability does not make oral oxymorphone less than 2x more potent than oral oxycodone.


John_Burrows said:
I'm not sure I see the point of looking for stats; when you have a bottle of pills in front of you, swallow one on the first day, snort on the second and plug the third. See how you like each roa (and the effects of the drug in general) and take it from there.
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^opana is a perfect example of why this is foolish advice. though you are right about people reacting differently. the charts are a good rough guide.
 
Potency, is the strength per mg of a substance that is in the bloodstream.

Bio-availability determines the proportion of substance that makes it into the bloodstream when administered a certain way.

Therefore the overall effect that a given amount of substance has on the body is a combination of BA and potency.

When talking about JUST potency, one would have to IV the same amount of two different substances in order to compare, because it is consistently 100% BA regardless of individual, so BA is eliminated as a factor. This is why morphine is more potent than oxycodone, even though more morphine must be eaten than oxycodone for equal analgesia.

I think a term should be invented to distinguish between potency and overall effect (which needs BA as a variable). Maybe "bio-potency" would be a good term for relative over-all-effects of different drugs. e.g. "Oral oxycodone is more bio-potent than oral morphine."
 
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