California can't legalize marijuana

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http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/16/opinion/la-oe-kleiman-marijuna-legalization-20100714

No matter what argument you use, the fact remains that the federal Controlled Substances Act makes it a felony to grow or sell cannabis.

July 16, 2010|By Mark A.R. Kleiman

Now that California's billion-dollar "medical marijuana" industry and its affiliated "recommendationists" have made marijuana legally available to any Californian with $75 and the willingness to tell a doctor that he sometimes has trouble sleeping, why not go all the way and just legalize the stuff for recreational use as proposed in Proposition 19 on the November ballot? Then we could tax it and regulate it, eliminating the illicit market and the need for law enforcement against pot growers. California would make a ton of money to help dig out of its fiscal hole, right?

Well, actually, no.

There's one problem with legalizing, taxing and regulating cannabis at the state level: It can't be done. The federal Controlled Substances Act makes it a felony to grow or sell cannabis. California can repeal its own marijuana laws, leaving enforcement to the feds. But it can't legalize a federal felony. Therefore, any grower or seller paying California taxes on marijuana sales or filing pot-related California regulatory paperwork would be confessing, in writing, to multiple federal crimes. And that won't happen.

True, Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. has announced that the Justice Department will not prosecute people who are selling medical marijuana in compliance with California's law. But that's an entirely different matter. The attorney general could cite good legal and constitutional reasons for that policy, because the regulation of medical practice is a state and not a federal responsibility. And if the medical justification for most of the pot sold through dispensaries is sketchy at best? Well, that too is a state problem. The international treaties that require their signatories, including the United States, to ban the production and sale of cannabis have an exception for medical use.

Most important, the feds can afford to take a laid-back attitude toward California's medical marijuana trade because it's unlikely to cause much of a trafficking problem in the rest of the country. Because dispensaries' prices are just as high as those for black-market marijuana, there's not much temptation to buy the "medical" sort in California and resell it out of state.

By contrast, the non-medical cannabis industry that would be allowed if Proposition 19 passed would quickly fuel a national illicit market. According to a study issued by the RAND Corp.'s Drug Policy Research Center this month, if the initiative passes, the pretax retail price of high-grade sinsemilla marijuana sold legally in California is likely to drop to under $40 per ounce, compared with current illicit-market (or dispensary) prices of $300 an ounce and more. Yes, the counties would have authority to tax the product, but even at a tax rate of $50 an ounce — more than 100% of the pretax price — the legal California product would still be a screaming bargain by national standards, at less than one-third of current black-market prices.

As a result, pot dealers nationwide — and from Canada, for that matter — would flock to California to stock up. There's no way on earth the federal government is going to tolerate that. Instead, we'd see massive federal busts of California growers and retail dealers, no matter how legal their activity was under state law.

Even without the magnet effect of cheap drugs here, the feds couln't afford to simply ignore a state's flouting of the federal prohibition on marijuana. For one thing, allowing Californians to openly grow cannabis for non-medical purposes would be a clear violation of international law; that's why the Netherlands, which tolerates retail cannabis sales through "coffee shops," still bans marijuana production. As the Dutch say, the front door of the coffee-shop trade may be legal, but the back door is illegal.

So, then, should marijuana be kept strictly illicit throughout the United States? Not necessarily. Legalizing cannabis isn't a terrible idea, but I'd very much prefer to do it on a non-commercial (grow-your-own or consumers' co-op) basis rather than creating a multibillion-dollar industry full of profit-driven firms trying to encourage as much cannabis use as possible. The only way to sell a lot of pot is to create a lot of potheads — not casual, moderate recreational users but chronic, multiple-joints-per-day zonkers. (The alcohol industry, for example, gets 80% of its income from people with drinking problems.) A grow-your-own or co-op system would prevent that marketing push.

In any case, whenever and however we legalize the Demon Weed, it's going to have to be at the national level (which includes modifying the anti-drug treaties) rather than state by state. Any other approach is a pipe dream.

Mark Kleiman is professor of public policy at UCLA and the editor of the Journal of Drug Policy Analysis. His latest book is "When Brute Force Fails: How to Have Less Crime and Less Punishment."
 
Production of cannabis is banned internationally? I'm incensed. You know who pushes for these kinds of laws to be passed? Fucking corporations and their ass-wipe lawyers. Why? Because the hemp, medical, and recreational marijuana industries would threaten large corporations' profits.

There needs to be a worldwide ban of all corporations that are larger than a certain size. They have consistently put their heels to the heads of innocent people everywhere. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the disadvantaged can't legally get high to ease their suffering caused by evil people. This world is so damned dark.
 
Though true, the author fails to note the lack of concern the people of Cali will have for the feds, as well as the national dialouge (sp) that would result from such legislation.
 
can anyone with legal knowledge confirm the article's premise?

No, Obama has publically stated that Marijuana would be up to the states to decide as to its legality. The Netherlands has effectively legalized cannabis, and has not seen its membership in the EU or any international organization revoked.
 
Obama stated that he's not going to go after MEDICAL marijuana that in accordance with state law.

Whether or not they are allowed to do this is entirely up to whether or not the feds enforce the Federal law in California.
 
The guy who wrote this seems to forget that the same federal law applies to MMJ users too. Just because you have a card and the state government says you can use it doesn't mean you are not a fellon according to federal law.
 
The guy who wrote this seems to forget that the same federal law applies to MMJ users too. Just because you have a card and the state government says you can use it doesn't mean you are not a fellon according to federal law.

actually, this professor of drug law clearly does understand the issue you discuss.

as he mentions, in fact, drug possession is always and only a *state* felony. (federal felonies are reserved for serious crimes like murder and treason, as well as some higher level distribution crimes).

no, you are not a felon under federal law if you have a MMJ card; you could be prosecuted by your state for a possession crime (btw, most MJ possession crimes are misdemeanors, not felonies). but as we know, California will not prosecute MMJ license holders for possession. you are only a felon if you have been charged with and convicted of a felony.

drugs are federally scheduled, but like many other issues (speed limits, small bank fraud, others), the states have significant freedom in how or whether they prosecute.
 
This RAND study is going to be quoted out of context and twisted and turned into a thousand different ways before the ballot comes. Make no mistake, the stupid 'assumes' a hell of alot and now these assumptions are becoming the basis for more assumptions.

If we DONT assume the cost of weed will drop to make it profitable for dealers to siphion supplies from Cali, then this article is baseless.
 
I think international law is not necessarily a problem. The drug treaties only require governments to ban cannabis, not to enforce the law. Even if cannabis is legal in California it would still be illegal at federal level. The federal government could choose to not enforce the law, like they do now for medical cannabis, but leave the law on the books. The Netherlands is successfully using this legal fiction right now.
 
The bigger issue is one of states rights. If CA were to start exporting their weed, then it would become a federal issue. But the FEDERAL government has to right to regulate STATE commerce under our constitution. The have the right and responsibility to regulate and facilitate INTERSTATE commerce. I'm really surprised no one else is jumping up and down over the fact that if CA manages to pass this law, it will be a major victory against the overbearing and corrupt federal system.
 
The Netherlands has effectively legalized cannabis, and has not seen its membership in the EU or any international organization revoked.
there are no EU wide drug laws. it's up to the member countries to decide. and btw, cannabis is only decriminalised in the netherlands.
 
The state of California pays the salaries of the state and country police,

So the Feds can still bust you for it, but they probably wouldn't (actually, they pretty much don't bust you for having it now).

If marijuana were to become legal it would quickly generate so much money that it would become a lobbying and legal force to be reckoned with -- I think this is what the DEA really fears, since lobbying and legal force are part of what powers the DEA.

The problem is that if someone begins advertising enough that currently illicit drugs are okay to people, the American people, which actually derive half of their essential vitamins and nutrients and political ideologies from advertisements (and sometimes bumper stickers), will believe they are okay too. And so then, the DEA is up shit-layoff-creek (also in California, incidentally) without a paddle.
 
the American people, which actually derive half of their essential vitamins and nutrients and political ideologies from advertisements (and sometimes bumper stickers), will believe they are okay too.

LOL. QFT.

Every war has properganda. And instead of checking the facts out, americans love get there information from reliable sources such as Fox News, milk bottles etc.
 
Why are people discusing what 'obama said'.

It doesnt matter what he says, its what he does. Raids on medical marijuana facilities HAVE happened since his remark to allow state level control of medical marijuana dispenseries - So obviously 'his word' is not worth anything.

He is not the KING of the united states. He is just another politician, albeit with more power than most of the other ones, but hes still just a politician, and unless he politically changes something through the defined political process, nothing he says is worth more than mr joe blong down the road.
 
Erm... for some reason I got the impression that laws can't be changed there..
Dunno about anyone else, but:
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If this passes anyone growing openly on a commercial scale or selling pot in store potentially faces federal charges and is a fucking fool. But what WOULD change with this law is the guy growing his own (an yes, some of it will end up being sold) doesn't have to worry. The feds have bigger fish to fry and the local cops won't be able to do a thing. It will really only legalize the little guy. I could easily grow enough for myself and a few friends in the back yard without having to worry about anything but thieves. The cops come about the stereo being to loud and smell pot and nothing happens, Yes, the big boys still have to worry about the feds, but that falls in a huge catagoriy of things I likke to call "other peoples problems".
 
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