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Your post is too close to sourcing Cobblestone

Consider this.... Every human contains DMT in their brain and there are many DMT containing plants in Melbourne. So you could say that there is plenty of DMT in Melbourne and many other major cities of the world

Technically speaking, we are all illegally carrying a scheduled substance in our brains :)
 
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hey sumeria just let you know mate i know when in flowers why would you assume i dont know ,it flowers in december january longifolia flowering now thats all i ment,so it could make it easier to find.i know exactly what it looks like and i know it grows most of east coast of nsw i just havnt found any but in saying that i havnt looked to many places,all i do know in longifolia is dam everywhere;)
 
i spot Acacia obtusifolia in a place a 45 minute drive from lakes entrance

I's easy to spot as the leaves have a distinct point and are slightly darker that the other surrounding wattle trees... unfortunately you have to kill a tree, but with a good size acacia can yield 2kg - 4kg of freshly damp bark and i know if you do a good enough ev\xtraction you can get up to 15 grams of pure DM.... we've had as little as 6 grams from 4kg of dried bark due to fucking the cook slightly.

_getting there is another story though altogether(i know there's no sourcing, but one couldn't possibly describe where to go even if one tried to you'd need the topography maps and patience)
 
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thanks for the reply Sublimit
sorry missed you quote "2kg of dried Acacia obtusifolia"
would this be the case with all Acacia species?
im looking at using acacia podalyriifolia , bark and leaves
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Sorry for the late reply, but i always thought that acacia podalyriifolia have been used for other tryptamine compounds they contained, but not for DMT. I'm only interested in Acacia obtusifolia as it has good amounts of DMT and can be found in NE Victoria with a bit of motivation

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the one on the left is A. maidenii. but i've never been able to locvate it
on the right is the eventually plentifulness A. obtusifola. it's a lot of work involved in grinding the bark and cookin/reducing for 10 hours with all 4 burners on 4 massive pots full of constantly making sure the ph level is spot on.

Edit: you don't use leaves for these types of acacia,just strip the barck and use it only
 
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I would warn against the use of tryptamine psychedelic's if you are suffering from anxiety and panic attacks.

Taking DMT or any other tryptamine with the mindset of 'I may need a benzo in case I suffer a panic attach' is very dangerous and could take a serious toll on your already unstable mental state. With or without the benzo, DMT will be an extremely powerful/life changing experience. I doubt a low dose of any benzo is a safe buffer against anxiety when you are coming up so fast.

With DMT you have no choice, it's about enduring something that has to take it's course,
it will override any thought of having a panic attack if having a hefty dose, hell if you have enough, uo won't rember smoking DMT to get to this incredible place.

The use of these substances with an experienced shaman can be helpful in the treatment of panic attacks and anxiety, but using these outside of an experienced shamans guidance could lead to more problems for you in future. It just isn't worth the risk

This is a timely reminder that using cannabis on psychedelics can trigger very bad trips and this can lead to problems even after the trip has ended.

Be very careful when it comes to taking cannabis with strong psychedelics. Even if you have a large tolerance (smoke cones all day etc.) it can and will end badly from time to time.

While a lot of us smoke cannabis throughout our psychedelic experiences, sometimes it only takes a toke of a joint to be thrown into the depths of a severe paranoid state.

Trip safe and live healthy

I agree with cannabis and LSD being able to result in an anxiety attack if i'm not careful. then i'm up for a bad time, but never felt unsafe with DMT. I had a NDE sensation where i thought i must of been dead, because i had broken out of my body and had no idea that i just smoked DMT, but my first DMT trip was before any other psychedelic i had. an i had a baptism of fire. i thought the rush would stop at my head but it got higher and higher. I tried to fight it and thats what made it a bit uncomfortable. I'ts always overwhelming because you can witness some impossibly complex morphing images with a pre breakthrough dose(high but not extreme), as much as time is so foreign, it doesn't take long for you to realise that you'r going to come out of it. there might be anxiety for 30seconds or so, alough i haven't made much experience with taking a MAOI and oral DMT

I just think what makes it perfect for introducing someone to psychedelics is because when smoked it only lasts for a short while, you'll always know and have that to hanf\g onto if you're having a bad trip.

to be honest, it took me a gram of DMT to figure it out, and now i basically take it to meditate in silence ot\r music. a truly personal drug, and one that you will always remember perfectly and forever
 
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Hey interesting article up on Entheogenesis website on DMT use in Australia. Some people here may have participated in the survey last year leading to this paper.

Re queries on IV administration: a well extracted dose of DMT is unlikely to carry any plant matter in it, which is a typical source of infection (for example in poorly extacted heroin from opium resin). That said - if you want to inject, I would recommend getting your hands on a 0.22 micron pill filter (available from any good NSP!). This will remove any bacterial or fungal contamination. This is assuming that the DMT is in salt form and dissolves easily in water. If it's a base and forms an emulsion on mixing with water (and I'm not across the standard extraction techniques to know) then you will probably lose some of your dose into the filter membrane (which I guess you could always break out, dry and smoke...).

Interesting the linked paper above mentions DMT smoke as unpleasant for many users. I certainly didn't think so on the occasions I smoked DMT - if anything the smell is quite unique and I would keep smelling it at later occasions in random circumstances and have a little smile.

Well my friend rockstar tripper buddy have an answer for you about smoking DM being harsh for some. because thats the whole point... we want people to be able to experience it. when we first started to smoke it we mixed it with 2parts leaf and 1 part DMT(the extraction wasn't the cleanest. but i found it strong and slightly harsh. the next extraction was done a lot better and made heaps and almost pure freebase DMT my friend considered truing it into a salt for IV use but instead he came up with a perfect device to smoke pure crystal DM through this devise(i'll either post a link or photo and explain how it works)
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Suggestion 1: Smoking Enhanced Leaf
The enhanced leaf can be smoked in just about any way you can think of. It works fine in a
bong or pipe, however I find a bong to add too much ‘punch’ to the experience. A joint works
a treat but is a little too wasteful at times. Personally, I find the pipe method to work perfectly,
and in particular, a glass pipe with a long travel which cools the smoke much more than the
standard metal pipes.
One like this will work fine:
TIPS!
�� Start with a small cone so you can
gauge the strength and intensity of the
product
�� Don’t start inhaling fully until the entire
cone is glowing
�� Inhale slowly; the smoke is quite harsh
and coughing while tripping is strange
�� If the smoke gets too harsh, hold your
breath until your throat calms, then
continue
�� DON’T EXHALE BETWEEN TOKES!
The number one key to achieving the
break through is to get the whole cone
in ONE LUNGFUL
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Suggestion 2: Smoking Crystal
As the extracted DMT is a freebase, it can be smoked as is. Some people may find it a little
too harsh for their liking, and others may find the taste offensive. Personally, I love the smell
and the taste, but each to their own. 50-60mg of freebase DMT makes for a good hit, but you
may wish to start with lower doses like 30mg to get used to the smoke and the effect.
There are several ways you could smoke the crystal, but the fact is you do need to get a large
volume of smoke in a single lungful to really achieve the DMT effect. Vaporising on foil and
sucking through a straw isn’t going to cut it!
This is a standard glass pipe used for smoking crystal.
It’s a good design that would allow you to vaporise the
DMT rapidly without losing much, if any of the smoke.
Weigh your dose and put it in the bulb at the end.
Vaporise it with a jet lighter and take in as much of the
smoke as you can in as few tokes as possible.
Remember to hold the smoke for as long as possible!
Alternatively, there’s…
“The Machine”
Featured in The Entheogen Review, Volume XII, No 1
The Machine is capable of holding many doses, so you can load the device and take with.
There is little to no loss with this device, and for some reason, the smoke it produces is
significantly smoother than conventional crystal pipes like the one pictured above.
To make The Machine, you will need the
following items:
- A glass, single serving alcohol bottle of a
similar shape to the one pictured here. The
long straight neck is an important feature
- Some very coarse steel wool
- A 6mm drill bit designed for drilling glass
The first step is to drill a hole in the bottom of
the bottle. Patience is the key; don’t drill too
fast and don’t use too much pressure. This
took about half an hour
If you find that the drill bit is slipping, you can
try placing a small piece of masking tape where
you want the hole and then drilling
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Once you have drilled the hole, place a
small amount of steel wool firmly into the
neck of the bottle as shown here
The Machine is now ready for use.
To charge the device, one or more good
doses are placed directly on top of the
steel wool at the mouth of the bottle. The
neck of the bottle is then gently heated just
enough for the crystal to melt and lacquer
the steel wool.
At this point The Machine is charged and
can be used now, or later. It’s a good idea
to save the bottle lid if you plan on carrying
the device around while it’s charged.
To charge the device with multiple doses,
drop a large quantity of crystal through the
broken hole onto the steel wool plug. The
neck is then heated until all the crystal
melts into the steel wool.
To use The Machine, point the neck downwards and heat the steel wool from below with a jet
lighter while slowly inhaling through the hole in the bottom. Practice makes perfect and you
will quickly learn the technique required to effectively and efficiently use The Machine to
deliver the dose you require.
Suggestion 3: Using Salts
Salts of DMT, in particular DMT Fumarate which you perhaps made in Part 3: Salting, have
different properties to freebase DMT. Foremost, salts are water soluble, allowing for
alternative methods of ingestion.
Because our mucous membranes are mostly water based, a salt form of DMT will dissolve
into them more freely than a freebase would, hence allowing the user to achieve the DMT
experience by snorting. If you’ve ever tried this with freebase DMT then you’d know that the
bad far outweighs the good. On the other hand, DMT Fumarate is a pleasure to insufflate.
The experience is quite like a shortened ayahuasca journey in the sense that it is longer and
slower than a smoked experience. A higher dose is needed to achieve effects however, so I
recommend you start with 100mg and tune to your liking from there. Personally, 150mg to
200mg is where it gets interesting. Preloading with MAOI (explained in


Suggestion 4:
Pharmahuasca) is a way in which you can and further enhance and potentiate the
experience.
Some of you may wish to take your experimentation further than others and look into IV or IM
injection routes. I am impartial in this area and am merely here to present you with
information. I will say that it can be done safely, however you must put specific measures in
place to ensure this. This would mean recrystallising the freebase multiple times until no
insolubility remains, and only then proceeding to make the Fumarate salt.
Doses are in the area of 0.5mg of DMT Fumarate per Kg of body weight for IV, and 1mg/Kg
for IM. Dissolve the dose in 0.3 mL of saline solution and draw it through a 0.22 micron inline
filter.
What you choose to do with the salt is up to you, but if you do wish to try the latter then
please do so with the utmost care and respect for your body.



I'm not implying anything AyJay, but by the sounds of it not being harsh, maybe you haven't got that far into iy? did you ever leave your body and go on autopilot? follow entity's and have completely understandable foreign conservations with them etc.... how did you smoke it ec\exactly, like what and how much it was mixed.... If you smoked the crystal through a crack pipe then you wasted it, you' better of making a Dmt joint if you had enough
Ok i have a perfect device to make smoking crystal /DM an almost non issue... but it has to be pure crystal, not laced with leave. i'll see if i can find photos', and edit later. Also, made the DMT was really week?



I'm going to try IV use and is going to be a reality next extraction. friend will need a DMt solution without anything else in it.... ie 99.999 percent DMT and perfect extraction then he says he can make it into a salt for IV.... he said he may lose some in the process. but will bump this when we decide to wait for warm weather and have a lil holiday.

almost a week in some freezer and hard prep work done before, you end up with being satisfied with this little reaction that reveals Divine Moments of Truth (sorry about the pun )
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hey sublimit cool pics that is def obtusi you can tell by the pale yellow flower hey?so 45min from lake entrance ,are you refering to melbourne or in newcastle lake maquarie.im having trouble finding this elusive tree.its apparently everywhere but all i find is longifolia:\
 
sieth i can see where your coming from but i dont intend on killing any tree i just want to take vertical strips of several trees for personal use ,they will survive.obtusifolia is abundant species if they were endangered it would be a different story.also growing your own still doesnt give sombody the right to own that tree even if grown on your own property ,what is ownership from a spiritual point of view we own nothing everything is borrowed.even our bodies we dont own we are spirits having a human experience.

also this is my theory these trees have special sacrements in their bark,humans at this point in time are in a bad way globaly we need help,i beleive these substances can help awaken people and if those trees could speak they would say giving you these special substances is the least we can do considering your killing our planet take s much you need you need time is running out..
 
Hey Sublimit it was a long time ago. I've got many memories of those journeys - the overall impact was profound. But I just don't remember any harshness in the smoke. Just a very particular smell - sweet and curly :)
 
hey sublimit cool pics that is def obtusi you can tell by the pale yellow flower hey?so 45min from lake entrance ,are you refering to melbourne or in newcastle lake maquarie.im having trouble finding this elusive tree.its apparently everywhere but all i find is longifolia:\

It is very elusive indeed and there is great satisfaction upon seeing them. My friend managed to find out by talking to a retied environmentalist ethnobotanist dude and learned a story;

20 years or so ago the government were putting electricity lines through remote areas 60km east of melbourne.... out past warburton. These trucks apparently had some obtusifolia seeds on stuck on them and subsequently created a 20x20 area patch of obtusifolia wattles surrounded by other wattles and trees.

The place i'm talking about is so deep in harsh terrain on a really rough track you almost need a 4wd to get there

the place has 4 fully grown trees there and several other more smaller ones. We've only touched one tree from that place. we noticed that there had been one other tree taken and another with about 500grams of bark stripped off it. so it seems that the few people who know about this place respect it. It will always be there if it continued to be respected. thats why Orbost is where it preferable to take one if you have to. yeah it's not far from lakes. i've been told and seen the results of attempts that we did in orbost and the tree starts to die, it was 3 or 4 years when we went back;
And like DMT i never will forget that moment. we left late from the motel in lakes because we were tripping on 2c-e the night before. by the time we drove to orbost it was starting to get dark. we drove down the track got out of the car to see the trees. when we took the bark 4 years ago we didn't cut the tree down.
Anyway the tree was completely dead but it looked like it still had life in a spiritual scene. we never planned to take any bark that time we just wanted to check on them. By fate we had DMT and a hash pipe in the car, the same DMT that was from the very tree we couldn't stop looking at. I forgot how it happened but we all made a spontaneous decision to smoke dmt in line with the tree. Normally i like to close my eyes, but this time it was all about the tree and instantly it went dark all around but all i could see was the tree morph in contrast and was making symmetrical patterns of its branches. was like a code to its knowledge interacting with us. I don't want to make a trip report here but ever since that experience iv'e appreciated so many things about nature





I'm sure it's been said but don't make destroying plants a regular thing, grow some of your own :).
I think they take 13-17 years to grow big. I can't remember, but i think it is illegal to strip the bark but legal to take the tree. anyone prepared to take a tree that isn't endangered will still generally respect it.




also this is my theory these trees have special sacrements in their bark,humans at this point in time are in a bad way globaly we need help,i beleive these substances can help awaken people and if those trees could speak they would say giving you these special substances is the least we can do considering your killing our planet take s much you need you need time is running out..

I agree with that but at the same time i would hate to see it become popular and in demand and ultimately marketed for money. I would give it to people and tell them to hang on to it and share it, but never sell/trade it
 
interesting post

hey man thanks for the post,yea when i do eventualy find some im not going to show anybody itl be out of respect and il only take what i need,i also dont like the idea of selling it it goes against everything,its like heres a gift a life changing experience oh but you owe me money no way.aprently its more abundant up here in nsw so hopfully one day i find it.and if i never do its not ment to be.
 
With DMT you have no choice, it's about enduring something that has to take it's course,
it will override any thought of having a panic attack if having a hefty dose, hell if you have enough, uo won't rember smoking DMT to get to this incredible place.



I agree with cannabis and LSD being able to result in an anxiety attack if i'm not careful. then i'm up for a bad time, but never felt unsafe with DMT. I had a NDE sensation where i thought i must of been dead, because i had broken out of my body and had no idea that i just smoked DMT, but my first DMT trip was before any other psychedelic i had. an i had a baptism of fire. i thought the rush would stop at my head but it got higher and higher. I tried to fight it and thats what made it a bit uncomfortable. I'ts always overwhelming because you can witness some impossibly complex morphing images with a pre breakthrough dose(high but not extreme), as much as time is so foreign, it doesn't take long for you to realise that you'r going to come out of it. there might be anxiety for 30seconds or so, alough i haven't made much experience with taking a MAOI and oral DMT

I just think what makes it perfect for introducing someone to psychedelics is because when smoked it only lasts for a short while, you'll always know and have that to hanf\g onto if you're having a bad trip.

to be honest, it took me a gram of DMT to figure it out, and now i basically take it to meditate in silence ot\r music. a truly personal drug, and one that you will always remember perfectly and forever

You obviously haven't seen any bad reactions to DMT yet. It's not wise to think that panic attacks and other negative reactions aren't possible.

While they may not be overly common, when someone has a bad experience on DMT, it tends to stick with them for a long period of time.

Most trouble is experienced on sub break through doses. This is because the user is only part way there. That said, I've had friends that have broken through, only to be raped and beaten by entities. These people were experienced users with much respect for the drug and they have never used it again.

You never know what may happen.

I dont intend on killing any tree i just want to take vertical strips of several trees for personal use ,they will survive.

Do not strip bark from trees.

They may survive, but they may also die from this.

I have seen several sick and dead acacia that have been stripped in Vic and on the NSW coast.

You'd be better off removing an entire tree, rather than risk infecting a number of tree's by removing strips of their bark.
 
You obviously haven't seen any bad reactions to DMT yet. It's not wise to think that panic attacks and other negative reactions aren't possible.

While they may not be overly common, when someone has a bad experience on DMT, it tends to stick with them for a long period of time.

Most trouble is experienced on sub break through doses. This is because the user is only part way there. That said, I've had friends that have broken through, only to be raped and beaten by entities. These people were experienced users with much respect for the drug and they have never used it again.

Completely agree.

I myself had a particularly daunting experience with DMT a while back now, the void really 'shocked' me as i was unprepared for such a dose. I've only had it a few times again since.. but im still wary of it.. this is over a time period of 3 years of psychedelic use, so im no stranger to it, though the experience itself.. earth-shattering as it was, did tear open my spirituality and sent me towards meditation which i am eternally appreciative of. :)
 
You obviously haven't seen any bad reactions to DMT yet. It's not wise to think that panic attacks and other negative reactions aren't possible.

While they may not be overly common, when someone has a bad experience on DMT, it tends to stick with them for a long period of time.

Most trouble is experienced on sub break through doses. This is because the user is only part way there. That said, I've had friends that have broken through, only to be raped and beaten by entities. These people were experienced users with much respect for the drug and they have never used it again.

You never know what may happen.

I have sat down with several people and endured their first ever trips with them. there was one person that said he felt lots of pressure in his eyes, at one point he started to panic and ask "how long will this last" "when will it stop" I tried to calm him by sitting close and saying 'you're fine, it's fine, i'm here' and that seemed to relax him a bit. He had an awkward trip. 30mins later he was reflecting on it and was talking about how far gone he was and was wishing it to stop, but i'm so glad i did it... he says.

I've never seen someone have a full blown anxiety attack on DMT, but one friend was drunk and talking shit all night who was with my other friend, and he was staying over at his place. they get back and have to be quiet not to wake the roomates. drunk friend begs dmt friend for a pipe of dmt because he had only a little bit left and said he wanted to save it. anyway he was pissing him off all night and once he was offered $20 he decided he'd grant him his wish and pack him a huge pipe full of dmt, and my drunk friend copped a massive dose that put him completely out. after a few minutes of being seemingly unconscious my friend tries talking to him but he's not responding, as he went to check his pulse.. all of a sudden he starts flipping out completely, he falls off the bed and is on the floor thrashing his limbs and yelling out. it took about 30 seconds for my mate to snap him out of it and calm him down, but he's knocked his CD collection everywhere and woken the couple up in the next room. to this day he says he cannot explain what happened,but that experience has given him motivation to find trees and extract DMT. he just wont go for a breakthrough hit and very is cautious of how much he doses.

Anxiety and DMT almost always go hand in hand for virgin trips of course, or any strong psychedelic. my fist trip i stood up because i was in a panic. I didn't know a thing about DMT only that my friend said it is different and unusual. he didn't mention it might be overwhelming. I slowly learnt to control the huge feeling of body load that instantly induces anxiety in me, that is when i started to understand the spirit molecule more and more. I then started to truly accept the sensation and let it flow through me. I got overconfident and felt completely comfortable at sub breakthrough doses going from bad body load into a state of complete weightlessness and from walking around in anxiety to sitting/laying down eyes shut in awe of the incredible visuals. i thought i was ready to breakthrough. i had came close before and even thought that one of my earlier trips was a breakthrough haha yeah. the second i took my lips away a thought rushed to my head "i've done it" just had enough time to put the pipe down. nothing before could have prepared me for it because it's completely different. it's hard to put it into words but picture standing in front of a portal to another dimension. looking at the portal pre breakthrough is beautiful but going through the portal was not what i expected. and since then i've never gone through again.


I have had anxiety attacks on weed, mushrooms and LSD. I have no idea why i used to be able to smoke until i green out but now can only smoke a small joint without bad anxiety. LSD is fine for the first 5 or 6 hours and i feel like i'm swimming i'm that comfortable, but at the tail end of a trip the body load changes and i almost always get anxiety. The thing with anxiety is that once it sets in it builds up and up and can turn into a panic attack. for me, DMT's smoked duration isn't long enough for any anxiety to build up to the point of where i feel like my chest is going to burst. and it seems all the anxiety is in the first few minutes of smoking it. I have to say that the DMT comedown is one of the most relaxing and euphoric feelings i've ever had, similar to sexual exhaustion.


From my perspective I believe that DMT is the perfect psychedelic to introduce to someone that hasn't had any experience with tripping, purely because of the duration. And it's a lot easier to work out a comfortable dose. Unlike myself, i've always done the best i can to get someone mentally prepared for the effects. at small doses and in an appropriate setting where the user feels comfortable the likelihood of that person having a panic attack is very unlikely IMO. Hypothetically, i'd feel a lot more comfortable to give someone who wants a psy experience DMT rather than acid.

Any psychedelic experience, good or bad, tends to stay with someone for a long period of time ;)
 
I have seen DMT administered many hundreds, even thousands of times and every now and then there will be a severely bad reaction to this substance. Even if the person is experienced, in the right mind frame, set and setting are perfect...

I'm not saying it's common or that it's not generally a safe drug.

Just don't get too comfortable in your beliefs until you have many years of experience with this substance.

I can't believe your friend gave a drunk person DMT. This molecule deserves more respect than that and so does the uninformed user.
 
i don't doubt what you're saying mate. Anyone could be vulnerable to a substance for different reasons. When you say 'severely bad reaction' were they all just bad trips(raped by an entity8o) and showed similar symptoms of anxiety? or have there been some obvious hypersensitivity like reactions?

when ive used it i've always felt safe, i know it's a naturally occurring substance which should be presensitized in us via very small amounts of the DMT tryptamine enzyme. Thats why i feel it to be a good choice if one wanted to safely experience what a psychedelic drug is like. I would always want to know what medication a person takes + their past present mental conditions/state.

I had been reading how DMT works on tryptamine and serotonin and many other receptors and enzymes. I have been on some SSRI's in the past and about 5 months ago i decided all is not right and wanted to try anti depressants again. I effectively made mirtazipine my ADOC because of the side effects of the ssri's, and at the time i obviously wasn't thinking about tripping, but later read a few reports of mirtazapine having a slightly suppressing effect on psychedelic drugs including DMT and acid. Since then i've done both only once and i've found that my AD had no noticeable effects on either drug. Being that i'm currently still on an AD i feel that my mind is not in the right state to trip, and i'd think that about most people that were.... i mean if they were on mirtazipine to sleep at night then thats obviously different, but generally i'd be very cautious with psychedelics and medication like anti depressants and anti psychotics...

regarding my 2 mates. yeah it was pretty fucked up what happened, but they both look back on it now and see the funny side.
At the time, believe it or not, my friend walked into a certain shop in fitzroy and was sold a gram of DMT infused leaf under the counter, for $100. He was a known customer there and he went in and said "i'm after something quite visual" lol.
at the time he and i were getting interested about lsd and mushrooms but neither of us had even heard of DMT. If you could imagine 3 or 4 mates constantly coming around on the weekends and tripping for 2 months then you'd know that something so valuable doesn't last long. once it got low he basically said he wasn't going to use it for a while because he had asked about it at the shop and they told him that it was a one off, the rest is up to you...

We all got to get a good example of it, but he had actually had a couple of breakthroughs by himself. The reason why it happened was because as the night went on with the 2 of them drinking on brunswick st, from what i was told, friend was telling dmfriend that he had in fact gone all the way and that he could handle a huge dose. dmfriend argued that the amount he had wasn't enough to breaktrhough. later, while walking home friend broke a car mirror off some car for idon'tknow what reason. I was told that they were arguing over a cone of DMT the whole walk home and eventually gave in. because my friend paid $20, and for just generally pissing dmfriend off the whole night, he packed $20 worth into a regular sized hash pipe cone.... stories differ on this but friend didn't get it all before handing it off.... I still don't know what to make of it. like the fit of rage he woke up in.

Knowing my friends i can totally understand why it happened though. In the end it was his choice, i mean there are just certain situations where someone just can't take no for an answer. having said that, my mate was naive of psychedelics back then..... we all were.
 
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