Depressicaa
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I've been on it for half a year.
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Stimulants Adderall Tolerance issues overblown?
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trocious
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I've been taking amphetamines on and off for almost 3 years, mostly prescription drugs (adderall), more recently it's been vyvanse. With amphetamines, I've noticed a perma-tolerance where it stays at a minimum 40 mgs to get a decent effect going (of adderall, vyvanse is more like 70-80mg). I can take less, but it would act like such a tease, a glimpse of what I'm really looking for. I guess it would probably still help with any ADD symptoms though...
I have such a love hate relationship with this stuff, it's like I feel great and I think I can do so much more and talk so much more eloquently, but really? I see myself doing stupid shit and overreacting like I'm coked up sometimes, and nobody likes that. I wish I had benzos so I could feel very in charge but at the same time chilled out. I find that I have to drink alcohol after a certain point to stop me wanting to smack some bitches.
I have such a love hate relationship with this stuff, it's like I feel great and I think I can do so much more and talk so much more eloquently, but really? I see myself doing stupid shit and overreacting like I'm coked up sometimes, and nobody likes that. I wish I had benzos so I could feel very in charge but at the same time chilled out. I find that I have to drink alcohol after a certain point to stop me wanting to smack some bitches.
chetttheaddboy
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Trust me.. you'll notice a big difference after 1 year and it just gets worse after that.
At half a year I was still doing very well on it and very high and happy most of the time.
Depressicaa
Bluelighter
Oh now I get to swallow my own words since it just stopped working! 
The initial euphoria is at most three minutes, even with a nice 500mg dose of l-tyrosine to combine with it.
I hope its the brand problem, I never really felt relaxed with Barr XR, but now it hit me where I can take more and more and never really feel that same feeling. Its almost like the push factor is gone (the same feeling that people find unpleasant and therefore switch to Dexedrine).
The initial euphoria is at most three minutes, even with a nice 500mg dose of l-tyrosine to combine with it.
I hope its the brand problem, I never really felt relaxed with Barr XR, but now it hit me where I can take more and more and never really feel that same feeling. Its almost like the push factor is gone (the same feeling that people find unpleasant and therefore switch to Dexedrine).
it didn't stop working....
Tolerance isn't a issue like that
You become tolerant to the euphoria, but taken consistently (as prescribed) the drugs actually take time to work... this creates a balance in the brain, the rushing / reinforcing effects decrease while dopaminergic effects seem to maintain.
There are many people who have been on the SAME dose of dexedrine for 10+ years and im not talking 20-60mg im talkin 2.5-10mg a DAY.
This is why it's sad to see people without adhd taking these drugs and really thinking they do have it.... Because they don't know how the medication really benefits those who do have it. These people end up in jail, on the streets, in huge debt or what have you and they cannot do anything about it really...
Tolerance isn't a issue like that
You become tolerant to the euphoria, but taken consistently (as prescribed) the drugs actually take time to work... this creates a balance in the brain, the rushing / reinforcing effects decrease while dopaminergic effects seem to maintain.
There are many people who have been on the SAME dose of dexedrine for 10+ years and im not talking 20-60mg im talkin 2.5-10mg a DAY.
This is why it's sad to see people without adhd taking these drugs and really thinking they do have it.... Because they don't know how the medication really benefits those who do have it. These people end up in jail, on the streets, in huge debt or what have you and they cannot do anything about it really...
You're already admitting to taking MORE than what is necessary, and FYI... ADD tends to get WORSE when you take more than what is necessary, not better....
Everyone and their sister show SOME ADD symptoms, it's just a matter on the severity and how it affects your life.
Not to be mean, but some people are really ignorant
Colmes
Bluelighter
I disagree.
Tolerance definitely forms with this medication. It does with every med (please dont start mentioning antibiotics and certain antidepressants you can continually take, some meds build in the body; i'm talking in general) as your body becomes more accustomed to it. If you're not abusing thats good, but you are one person out of millions. So, no, your results do not mean the whole idea of adderall causing tolerance is overblown.
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Colmes
Bluelighter
ADD doesnt get worse, everything does. I didnt read the person's post...but it seems like he takes too much and has a love hate relationship....and thats ignorant? No, its called experimenting---->abuse---->dependance. Also you seem to be under the influence that everyone has ADD, that is not true. I'm assuming you read the symptoms and said "Everyone feels this at one point" It is when the symptoms are effecting your life (School, Work, Social) negatively enough so that tou are truly being impacted by it. So being that you think ADD is made up, and we all have it (saying one is saying the other) you're bound to think someone who took too much ADD medication and became addicted is ignorant.
Depressicaa
Bluelighter
I think that everyone has ADD to a degree. If Adderall can help, it means that they aren't as focused as they could be. The degree can correspond to the dosage.
I don't feel euphoric anymore, and I don't get a drive from it, although I can still focus okay, not as good as before though. Its time to drive myself instead of being a pussy now... damn haha.
I think the focus factor comes from the high/euphoria for me, which is why I thought it stopped working. It does still work to a degree, but its not very strong at all anymore, its more like I can kinda work this out if I want to, but I have to start myself, and thats often the problem with ADD. You start something, give it an awesome start, stop doing it the next day, and forget about it completely. 100 projects started, none of them finished.
At least it gets rid of my hunger, I hate eating a fuckton and never gaining weight haha.
I don't feel euphoric anymore, and I don't get a drive from it, although I can still focus okay, not as good as before though. Its time to drive myself instead of being a pussy now... damn haha.
I think the focus factor comes from the high/euphoria for me, which is why I thought it stopped working. It does still work to a degree, but its not very strong at all anymore, its more like I can kinda work this out if I want to, but I have to start myself, and thats often the problem with ADD. You start something, give it an awesome start, stop doing it the next day, and forget about it completely. 100 projects started, none of them finished.
At least it gets rid of my hunger, I hate eating a fuckton and never gaining weight haha.
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Tolerance forms to the recreational effects, the drug still helps maintain a level of dopamine in the body. Any TRUE ADDer knows this, the medication always works, VERY VERY rarely do you need a dosage increase after you get the right dose in the beginning unless you abuse the medication.
I'd have to say over 50% of ADDers are misdiagnosed.
Those people who take the medication really don't reap the same benefits as people who DO have it do.
I don't abuse my medication, many people don't abuse it. Just because you take a extra one day, or here and there that ISNT abuse if you're using it for the right reasons... IE a long day so you need more coverage, or you got rebound because of the intensity of a project or something of that sort...
That is NOT abuse.
This is why I say some people are just plain ignorant.
Depressica is someone who is trying to understand, and giving him misinformation is going to lead him to believe the wrong stuff.
The trick with the ADD medications is using them as a TOOL to help you function normally, it's up to the individual to do ALL OF THE WORK. The medication won't do any of it for you.
This is Cognitive Behavioural Therapy, Stress managment, working on planning, organizational skills, working on personal issues, learning HOW to use the medication because its a BIG change to the ADDer.
The real benefits from the medication don't really start until about a month of consistent use.
A person with ADHD is used to their life being in complete chaos, that's how they function.
The medication rids that person of that chaos which is like lurking around in uncharted territory, they don't feel like themselves. That's why many people don't like the medication because they don't feel like themselves, it's a scary thing.
It takes ALOT of work, and you always have to work at it. It never just happens and you never get cured of ADD. The furthest someone can go is wiring new routines to their every day lives. But that still doesn't cure perseveration, the need for strong external stimuli and internal restlessness ( adult )
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Mr Peezy
Greenlighter
My adderall tolerance always goes up way to FAST it makes me mad.
Then wen it does the comedown becomes all groggy too...
good drug just for short time use.
Then wen it does the comedown becomes all groggy too...
good drug just for short time use.
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Then you need to eat healthier, take multivitamins, supplement protein.....
I don't have ANY issues what so ever....
And the people i've recommended these things to, don't have any problems anymore either.
You need to take care of yourself.
Then you need to eat healthier, take multivitamins, supplement protein.....
I don't have ANY issues what so ever....
And the people i've recommended these things to, don't have any problems anymore either.
You need to take care of yourself.
Colmes
Bluelighter
Why don't yoiu read my post
You reiterated what i said =/
In that case I apologize, and I think you are a smart person.
Colmes
Bluelighter
Well let me just say this. In every single pamphlet that has come with my add medication, it always states, in these words (slightly paraphrased).
"Over time, this drug could become less effective, and the doctor may need to adjust your dosage."
Go ahead, tell me you have not read that. Your dopamine theory is SO FLAWED! Your body naturally gets used to medication, recreational or not. When 5 mg used to reuptake the dopamine in your brain originally it may take 10mg in several months. Just like medications that effect Gabanergic acid. Your comparison is similar to saying that someone who has chronic pain, and takes oxycodone, and feels a relaxing feeling from it, but does not abuse it, will not have to increase dosage.
And note number three, A D D E R A L L is NEURO-TOXIC. Less that Crystal meth, sure, but what does that mean? It damages those dopamine receptors for one, among other things, reducing the overall amount of receptors, thus further limiting your ability to have your add treated. Assuming you are going to continue the medication, a further increase would be need.
Buddy i respect your effort, but it is Schedule II in the U.S. for a reason.
Colmes
Bluelighter
I still think you're smart, no disrespect brotha.
Well if a Neurologist comes in here, he could say who is right, until then, we agree to disagree, lol.
This is why you supplement protein, don't take instant release versions of drugs. The drug may be less effective if you're extremely stressed out as this causes symptoms to worsen.
Supplement protein
Supplement protein
Supplement protein
Colmes
Bluelighter
I dont take IR.
Whey protein...yeah... I know what it is.
It really does a great job for post work out, helps repairs the muscles you worked out.
But you claim adderall is not tolerance inducing (WHEN) you take XR, and (WHEN) You supplement with protein? Now you have to add a foreign supplement to prevent it? Even if this were true, it would not support the theory that tolerance builds, it would suggest you can do things to help that tolerance from progressing as quickly.
Cmon man, if this were a freestyle I'd be a mixture of Biggie Tupac and Eminem, its just not worth the battle.
Whey protein...yeah... I know what it is.
It really does a great job for post work out, helps repairs the muscles you worked out.
But you claim adderall is not tolerance inducing (WHEN) you take XR, and (WHEN) You supplement with protein? Now you have to add a foreign supplement to prevent it? Even if this were true, it would not support the theory that tolerance builds, it would suggest you can do things to help that tolerance from progressing as quickly.
Cmon man, if this were a freestyle I'd be a mixture of Biggie Tupac and Eminem, its just not worth the battle.