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Jobseeker's Allowance Megathread ver. The Jeremy Kyle Fan Club

tranceaddict84 said:
Maybe true, I was objecting more to the application of one stereotype to the whole of south east Asia. Singapore is easily comparable to London as a developed, modern, cosmopolitan city, and London itself is head and shoulders above most of the rest of the UK.
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What a load of fucking bollocks you talk trance.

THERE IS THIS MYTH that Singapore is a rich country and its citizens are well-taken care of. Nothing could be further from the truth. The 1998 United Nations Human Development Index showed that Singapore ranked 28 on the list behind countries like Barbados and Malta.

The following is a snapshot of some of the more recent cases uncovered:

•A 96-year-old woman has to go to the garbage dump to pick out odds and ends to sell to support herself.

•A technician lost his job and had no income for about half a year had to watch his two young children live on biscuits for days. A social worker said that the man had no money even to take the bus to find a job. The family was literally penniless.

The reason why the poor in Singapore are not more visible is that the Ministry of Community Development and Sports conduct frequent raids through its Destitute Persons Service, looking for and picking up vagrants. If Singapore seems to have less destitute, it is not because the numbers are not present. The real reason is that the PAP Government is just much more efficient in clearing the streets of homeless people.

http://yoursdp.org/index.php/truth-about/poverty-in-singapore
 
Eating dogs is another one that gets thrown around indiscriminately regarding the entire area too. Do the Koreans even still eat dog by the way?
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Not sure but it's eaten in Northern Vietnam by some.

Singapore is easily comparable to London as a developed, modern, cosmopolitan city, and London itself is head and shoulders above most of the rest of the UK.
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In appearance it certainly is but apparently the poor are kept hidden away and the homeless dissapear never to be seen again in order to retain the image. I have no idea whether that's true or not. I could quite beleive it because Singapore is just too sterile and sanitised, there's something not right about it. Have read and been told that despite it's very safe appearance there's some right dodgy areas where child prostitution is rife and very blatent.

Not agreeing with Issys ignorant statement that poor Singaporeans sell their kids to paedos though.
 
You do realise that site you've linked is the site of the main opposition political party in Singapore, therefore not likely to be particularly impartial?

I can't speak for 1998, but current HDI figures show Singapore right alongside the UK:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

And admittedly tenuous but more relevant than just straight GDP, the purchasing power parity per capita figures show that on one measure of wealth at least, Singapore is much better off per person than the UK:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

In appearance it certainly is but apparently the poor are kept hidden away and the homeless dissapear never to be seen again in order to retain the image. I have no idea whether that's true or not.
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Yeah, the bit about homeless people disappearing is true to an extent. I'm not sure what actually happens to them but yeah, you're basically not allowed to be homeless in Singapore. Sterile and sanitised are exactly the right words in my opinion. I do think that in some respects it really is an authoritarian police state hiding behind a thin veil of western democracy, that's kinda off the subject though...

I can say with certainty though, given the other laws and how strictly they are enforced, there is no way there will be any overt child prostitution.

Anyhow, way way way off-topic! I was simply pointing out that Singapore is a developed, first-world country with an economy at least as strong relative to population as our own, and refuting Issy's implication that it's of similar affluence to other south east Asian countries (Thailand, Cambodia, Laos etc) when it simply isn't.

Back to talking about dole-scroungers then? ;)
 
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I can say with certainty though, given the other laws and how strictly they are enforced, there is no way there will be any overt child prostitution.
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It's fairly well documented, I've read about it in a couple of books (forget which unfortunately) and I have a mate who works there and he says he's seen it going on. Theres a massive red light zone somewhere, he says the further into it you go he more depraved it becomes and you'll see young girls being pimped out and folk will ask you if you're looking for children.

In one of the books I read (I wish I could remember which one) it talks about how on the surface they have all these strict laws and look down on unruly / perverse behaviour but it's actually tolerated under the surface. Apparently that despite prostitution being illegal they're more than happy for it to go on as long as none of the girls involved and Singaporean, they ship them in from surrounding countries instead as they see the rest of SE Asia as below them.
 
Prostitution is legal actually, which is really surprising imo! Last time I went over we stayed at my girlfriend's sister's place in Geylang, right near the main red light district. Even walking down the street in the middle of the day I was approached by hookers. The majority of the girls are Chinese from poor backgrounds. It's all very strictly regulated however - the girls have to be registered and have regular health checks. I don't know for sure of course, but in a society where rape (among other crimes) is still punishable by caning I just find it hard to believe that child prostitution would be openly tolerated.
 
The ruling government in Singapore is hardly more fucking trustworthy than the opposition haha!
 
Incapacity benefits to be cut.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=503215&page=15

Chancellor George Osborne has signalled that sickness benefits will be targeted in a summer spending review aimed at cutting the £155bn deficit.

He said he wanted to protect those in "genuine need" while encouraging those who could work, to do so.

Over 2.5m people are on incapacity benefit or employment support allowance - costing about £12.5bn a year.
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tranceaddict84 said:
I can't speak for 1998, but current HDI figures show Singapore right alongside the UK:
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Yeah but those figures don't have any reflection on how poor the poorest get do they. A few multi-billionaires and some big companies and it sounds like everyone is riding round in luxury.


Lets go back to basics - if there's no welfare and you lose your job through ill-health or some other reason, what happens? The same as has happened throughout human history in every state that had no welfare. You starve and then you die. That's sort of why the welfare state came into being.
 
Arnold strikes again:

A vicious white van man has been jailed after twice running over a stranger at a fast food drive-through because he thought his victim was unemployed.
Craig Robinson, 24, spotted two men searching through bins outside a branch of KFC and shouted at them to 'get a job' before reversing into one off the pair with the back of his Ford Transit.

Horrifyingly, Robinson then took the time to line-up the front of his vehicle with the man before running over him for a second time, inflicting eight broken ribs, shattering both of his collar bones and cracking several of the vertebrae in his back.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tranger-thought-unemployed.html#ixzz0s9iqxN8x
 
That story is quite shocking. Running folk over because you thought they were unemployed. :\
 
Allright, maybe Lenin did kill a few people but I'm sure they were all counter-revolutionary petit-bourgeois. He certainly had a better sense of humour than his succesor. I particularly like his admonishment that the British working class should support the Labour Party in the same way that a rope supports a hanged man. Mind you, Stalin's "I never came across a problem I couldn't shoot", had me chortling too. Oh, and that one of Trotsky's about how under Capitalism ALL personal releationships are prostitution. Those mass-murdering Communists just crack me up!
 
Don't they cross-breed with rats and dogs to produce rags and drats? And then eat the bastard offspring whilst still fresh, warm and dripping from the mother's malformed flange? Probably whilst buttfucking a 2 year old hermaphrodite for good measure.
 
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