You miss my main point mr ibis that the laws are shit but the law enforcers are not. And drug use is not criminal. Drug posession is, thus you can't be prosecuted for drugs in your system unless you drive etc. Not like in the US. I can be as high as i want im my home, tell the police, and be safe by law. Thus I don't see how thats criminal bahavior- procureing drugs however, well then that is; but again thats a law issue and it does not suggest one is a criminal, just like j walking.
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You miss my main point mr ibis that the laws are shit but the law enforcers are not. And drug use is not criminal. Drug posession is, thus you can't be prosecuted for drugs in your system unless you drive etc. Not like in the US. I can be as high as i want im my home, tell the police, and be safe by law. Thus I don't see how thats criminal bahavior- procureing drugs however, well then that is; but again thats a law issue and it does not suggest one is a criminal, just like j walking.
Thanks everyone for such a great feedback and its been a an pleasure reading all your comments...feel free to continue discussing your views as you like.
The only reason I didn't get busted and managed to stay a step ahead of the undercovers was all thanks to the heads up I was given.
I am no longer in the rave scene due to medical reasons, however from what I hear on the news now days it seems the cops have changed their tactics and no longer use undercovers and informants as much at raves, it seems its now more about sniffer dogs at the front of the party to grab dealers and users before they even get in...it seems a lot more convenient.
The only reason I didn't get busted and managed to stay a step ahead of the undercovers was all thanks to the heads up I was given.
I am no longer in the rave scene due to medical reasons, however from what I hear on the news now days it seems the cops have changed their tactics and no longer use undercovers and informants as much at raves, it seems its now more about sniffer dogs at the front of the party to grab dealers and users before they even get in...it seems a lot more convenient.
MrIbis
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drug use is illegal, are you retarded? you can be charged for USE.. i have a conviction for drug use, and for possession. USE. I'll capitalize it once more - USE.
I was not driving, nor putting anyone in danger. Just wrong place at the wrong time.
I actually didn't have any drugs in my possession. Drug use is a criminal offense punishable by imprisonment in this country (though it's unlikely you'll get that).
they are called illicit drugs for a reason.
The cops are less fucked, equally fucked - and sometimes more fucked than the laws they uphold. Maybe you yourself are a self righteous copper?
On a nice note:
I had a good experience with a cop this morning when my brother was pulled over, and was not displaying his P plates. We only drove round the corner, and had them up on his partners car. As we turned into the main road just near our house, flashing lights.
The cop checked my bros license, and my ID too. Then she came back, asked if my brother had some money on him. We both thought she was asking for a bribe and replied "what?".
She then proceeded to explain if we drive to the servo to get some P plates, she'll let him off with a warning. He told her that we live around the corner, and the plates are there, so we're just goin home.
She said thats fine, just don't do it again. Heh, yes there is good and bad in every creed and creation.
Drug use is not illegal. NOT.
Drug possession is.
If you were under the influence of drugs in public that is covered under the same rules as intoxication. The fact you were arrested for it falls under 'public intoxication'. Otherwise the cops would arrest everyone at a festival for having drugs in their system. I stress again DRUG USE IS NOT ILLEGAL.
The police will not arrest you and do a blood test that reveals drug use then charge you with 'drug use'. That is fiction. It does not exist. Only in the U.S is this a crime. Please don't take personal experience as FACT. If i use drugs at home, i cannot be charged with drug use. If you do it in public and are 'visibly intoxicated' then yes the police can take you in, just as they can a drunk.
Everything else relating to drugs is a crime, possession, distribution, production - but not consumption.
From the government web resources -
Use includes smoking, inhaling of fumes, or otherwise introducing a drug of dependence, into a person's body*
It does not include having used a substance prior, no where in the act does it mention being blood tested if, not driving or not committing an offense.
An offense can be 'visible intoxication'. Thus if your visibly under the influence your prosecuted under that clause of 'use'. There is no law pertaining to blood testing of people who have not committed offenses. Thus drug use is legal, that is why we have blood screening but not reprisals to those screenings by law enforcement. It's UN-enforceable.
Use includes smoking, inhaling of fumes, or otherwise introducing a drug of dependence, into a person's body*
It does not include having used a substance prior, no where in the act does it mention being blood tested if, not driving or not committing an offense.
An offense can be 'visible intoxication'. Thus if your visibly under the influence your prosecuted under that clause of 'use'. There is no law pertaining to blood testing of people who have not committed offenses. Thus drug use is legal, that is why we have blood screening but not reprisals to those screenings by law enforcement. It's UN-enforceable.
MrIbis
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^I wasn't actually under the influence of any substance, just stated that i had been hours prior.
Admitting you have used drugs at some point to police, after arrest for shit im not even gonna mention - is enough to do you for use. Who said i was blood tested? the drug in question, that i was charged with using was GHB.
Admitting you have used drugs at some point to police, after arrest for shit im not even gonna mention - is enough to do you for use. Who said i was blood tested? the drug in question, that i was charged with using was GHB.
MrIbis
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^yeah well.. the allegations made against me didn't leave room for that kind of lie.
travelling_man
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Drugs aside, let's not forget their history of containing unruly workers by shooting protesters, bashing workers on picket lines, and protecting scabs. In reality the police have very little to do with protecting "you" and everything to do with protecting property rights and profits.
Since the war on drugs, the privatisation of the prison system, and the prison population growing ten-fold (in the states at least), the police have become even more predatory and vicious.
Anyone that wants to put you in prison for wanting to get high is a cunt.
Just my opinion
Since the war on drugs, the privatisation of the prison system, and the prison population growing ten-fold (in the states at least), the police have become even more predatory and vicious.
Anyone that wants to put you in prison for wanting to get high is a cunt.
Just my opinion
And I would add, anyone willing to put you in prison for wanting to get high is a cunt
Ibis - Yeh well once you admit it then they'll arrest you on a drugs offense. If it was purely for use alone everyclub goer would get hit by police raids for use charges. They do that in indonesia, urine tests. But in aus it's not the case. Thus 'use' is not a crime - depending on what you are doing.
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Drugs aside, let's not forget their history of containing unruly workers by shooting protesters, bashing workers on picket lines, and protecting scabs. In reality the police have very little to do with protecting "you" and everything to do with protecting property rights and profits.
Since the war on drugs, the privatisation of the prison system, and the prison population growing ten-fold (in the states at least), the police have become even more predatory and vicious.
Anyone that wants to put you in prison for wanting to get high is a cunt.
Just my opinion
Dude no worker has been killed for strikeing in aus since 1916. And even then it was rare. Unlike russia perhaps. Aus was quite tame early on.
Lol good call.
travelling_man
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Also, in the interest of harm reduction, always be polite and friendly to police, especially if there are no witnesses around.
MrIbis
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aero: its not that man, i had already been arrested on some fucked up shit that i didn't do, then beaten and fuckn forced into admission to get out of shit, after being awake 3 days i was in no mindstate + a concussion to be unco-operative with police - and made up a story that'd get me in the least shit possible.
Anyway my story stuck in court over the bullshit statements that were made against me which were untrue.. apparantly my lies were more believeable
Anyway my story stuck in court over the bullshit statements that were made against me which were untrue.. apparantly my lies were more believeable
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hyroller
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Ummmmm yes it is, do some research if your deep-fried brain is even capable of comprehending such intricate concepts of the law....
static_mind
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John Brumby's budget in 08, 09, shows $397 million in speeding fines, then they predict in 09, 010, for it to jump to $437 million," he said.
"Some parts of the state, Mornington Peninsula, Frankston, have jumped up by over 80 per cent."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/03/25/2855467.htm
Thats 397million for victoria alone
travelling_man
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You're wrong, actually. My point was simply that this type of behaviour is typical of the police and they exist to serve the needs of business interests and profit first and foremost, even if that means killing you.
As much as I'd like to get into the anti-social behaviour of governments and corporations that occurs every day, and the violent character of their guard dogs (the police) towards any resistance to such behaviour, it's off-topic so this will be the last I'll say on it.
I will say, though: why don't you ask Doomadgee how tame the Australian police are?
Really? Wow your so right.
Firstly it's not - no one has ever been arrested for having drugs in their system not commiting an offense. See recently matthew stokes, arrested with '1' gram of cocaine. Did he get charged with drug use? No. Find me examples of drug use arrests not pertaining to another offense.