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The Big and Dandy AMT Thread - 2nd incarnation

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Wanted to share that DMT while on AMT(10-15mg) is the most amazing feeling I've ever had. The peak was pure bliss, bliss I couldn't believe I was experiencing as a simple human being. After a couple minutes, when I could get up and walk around, everything I saw was perceived in the most beautiful uplifting way possible. The only thing I could think of to explain how it felt at the time was that I was surely in heaven. Only a fictitious fantasy land like heaven could ever come close to comparing to those moments.

I've done DMT by itself and I have to say this is almost a whole new experience, they both seem to synergize very very well.

Here is a short report I recently wrote if you want to read more:

I started out by taking the AMT in the morning. I had no nausea or negative effects at all with this dose(compare that to HAVING to throw up on 35mg and having a nasty headache). After about 3 hours I felt I was at the peak, still not intense euphoria at all, but enough to make a summer day pure bliss. I smoked a small small amount of weed, around 1/6 the size of a genuine united states of america dime. Then I loaded up my METH PIPE with some DMT and went outside into the sparsely clouded summer day.

Everything was at maximum color. You know how music these days is all compressed? How they take all the different ranges of volumes in the music and MAXIMIZE them(Dynamic range compression). It's a really stupid idea in my opinion, but anyway all of the colors were at maximum saturation. It makes the world look so beautiful. The extreme blue of the sky contrasted with the solid greens of nature. Pure white clouds passing by the sun causing everything to dim and then come back full force.

Then I vaporized the DMT.

At first nothing. Then I started slightly trembling, which for a second caused a little worry. I felt the DMT coming on, but it was different. It seems to have changed into a completely euphoria orientated experience. I seriously thought I must have died because it seemed impossible that I could experience such an overwhelming euphoria as a mortal human. It was very much like it took the euphoria, spread it to all of my brain, and then continued to stretch it to infinity until it wore off. As if the usual intensity of DMT was transferred into pure otherworldly euphoria.

Now don't get me wrong, DMT alone is wildly euphoric.... BUT this was out of this world. I would recommend this combination 100%, this is just something that you shouldn't go though life not experiencing.

Pure bliss extending into infinity.
 
Repeat post due to importance!

Are the MAOI effects of AMT strong enough to be of concern to mix with paxil, which is an SSRI?

Anyone on an SSRI have any experience with AMT?

My girlfriend is currently on 30 mg of paxil a day.

Thanks in advance for any replies or insight.
 
^I don't think its weak MAOI effects are the central concern with combining it with SSRIs. Since aMT both releases and inhibits the reuptake of serotonin, it's that property that makes the combo worrisome. I'm sure people have done it and been OK, but taking them together could nevertheless be more dangerous and substantially more damaging than aMT alone. A comparison between it and combining SSRIs with meth or MDMA is probably relevant to guessing what the effects might be.
Wanted to share that DMT while on AMT(10-15mg) is the most amazing feeling I've ever had. The peak was pure bliss, bliss I couldn't believe I was experiencing as a simple human being. After a couple minutes, when I could get up and walk around, everything I saw was perceived in the most beautiful uplifting way possible. The only thing I could think of to explain how it felt at the time was that I was surely in heaven. Only a fictitious fantasy land like heaven could ever come close to comparing to those moments.
Awesome. One of the major reasons why I purchased synthetic DMT was so that I could IM it with aMT (since I don't like the idea of combining the MAOI in ayahuasca with aMT) and experience the combo for longer than smoking DMT allows (you could repeatedly smoke until tolerance gets the better of you to get a longer trip, though, I suppose). I still haven't done it for some reason, (I think because IM DMT with mescaline -- which, like aMT, has a positive push -- wasn't nearly as good as ayahuasca with mescaline) but I'm glad to hear another has had such a positive experience. Combining aMT with a powerful tryptamine looks like a promising strategy. I like to think aMT channels the power of these tryptamines in a positive direction. I have not found the same to be true with 2C-E, however, a powerful phenethylamine. The experience was quite nice and had many of its own unique merits, but the extreme stimulation and cognitive focus seemed to prevent the combo from taking off the way aMT/powerful tryptamine combos have for me in the past.
 
^I don't think its weak MAOI effects are the central concern with combining it with SSRIs. Since aMT both releases and inhibits the reuptake of serotonin, it's that property that makes the combo worrisome. I'm sure people have done it and been OK, but taking them together could nevertheless be more dangerous and substantially more damaging than aMT alone. A comparison between it and combining SSRIs with meth or MDMA is probably relevant to guessing what the effects might be.

Thanks for the info.

Combining SSRI's with MDMA dulls the experience. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a comparison between combining SSRI's with AMT and combining SSRI's with meth or MDMA is probably relevant to guessing what the effects might be. If you could elaborate I would appreciate it.

Any other info on mixing AMT with an SSRI like paxil? Would it be safe to start with a dose of 30 mg of oral AMT for someone on 30 mg of paxil daily?

Any ideas or anyone on SSRI's with direct experience of mixing SSRI's ith AMT?

I'm wondering if this experiment should simply be avoided, but if anyone has any more info it would be greatly appreciated.

All of this info is very helpful.
 
Thanks for the info.

Combining SSRI's with MDMA dulls the experience. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a comparison between combining SSRI's with AMT and combining SSRI's with meth or MDMA is probably relevant to guessing what the effects might be. If you could elaborate I would appreciate it.
Sure, in rat synaptosomes aMT releases dopamine, serotonin, and noradrenaline at levels comparable to meth or MDMA (although judging from subjective effects aMT seems to release similar amounts far more slowly and steadily than either of the former). Search this thread for the term "synaptosomes" and you'll find a post where I link to the study that shows this. Because the mechanisms of action are comparable, there is some rationale for predicting the effects of combining aMT with SSRIs through comparisons to combining them with meth or MDMA.
 
Sure, in rat synaptosomes aMT releases dopamine, serotonin, and noradrenaline at levels comparable to meth or MDMA (although judging from subjective effects aMT seems to release similar amounts far more slowly and steadily than either of the former). Search this thread for the term "synaptosome" and you'll find a post where I link to the study that shows this. Because the mechanisms of action are comparable, there is some rationale for predicting the effects of combining aMT with SSRIs through comparisons to combining them with meth or MDMA.

So the rationale would be that SSRI's would dull the experience of AMT?

But is the combo dangerous, as in serotonin syndrome?
 
So the rationale would be that SSRI's would dull the experience of AMT?

But is the combo dangerous, as in serotonin syndrome?
Yes, if the preponderance of reports indicates that combining SSRI's with MDMA or meth dulls the experience of both, there is reason to believe the same would be true of aMT. The big difference is that aMT is also an agonist at the 5HT2a receptor. So, assuming the aforementioned analogy holds for your girlfriend, she would probably still trip, but the euphoric effects of aMT would probably not be as prevalent for her as for the average non-SSRI user. If she's looking for a straight psychedelic experience, in my opinion there are better candidates than aMT.

Although it's been called into question, as I understand it, with my limited knowledge, the prevailing theory is that neurotoxicity is inevitable given simultaneous release of dopamine and serotonin in the same areas of the brain. I'm not sure your girlfriend's SSRI dose's effect is powerful enough to cause serotonin syndrome, but the sheer fact that an SSRI keeps more serotonin in the synapse than would be the case without it indicates that more damage could be done given the truth of the theory.
 
But is the combo dangerous, as in serotonin syndrome?

we don't know exactly if the maoi properties of amt are sufficient to be dangerous (they're most likely not), but at very least the serotonergic effects of the amt would be blocked by the ssri, so why not just take another drug altogether if amt will be at best an underwhelming experience (lacking everything that makes amt special) and at worst life-threatening?
 
I got a bit of this as a birthday present... I'm looking forward to revisiting it. :) I had read years ago about its use in helping to get past addiction. So I'm going to try that, perhaps tomorrow, since I'm currently withdrawing from poppy seed tea - for the last time!
 
we don't know exactly if the maoi properties of amt are sufficient to be dangerous (they're most likely not), but at very least the serotonergic effects of the amt would be blocked by the ssri, so why not just take another drug altogether if amt will be at best an underwhelming experience (lacking everything that makes amt special) and at worst life-threatening?

Sound logic. Personally I want to take the aMT, but my girl is the one on paxil, but we're going to do some 2C-I together tomorrow and maybe later done the road when she's off paxil we'll do the aMT together.

Or maybe I'll take aMT and she can try something else.

Any suggestions as to what psychedelic my girlfriend should do while I'm on aMT? If I take it orally the only other drug I have that will last as long are DOx blotters, presumably DOI. I'm not sure if those two highs would go together but any insight or thoughts on how well being high on aMT with a girlfriend on DOI would be helpful.

If I smoke the aMT it will last around 12 hours, so I'll have a lot more options of chemicals for her to choose from that will have a similar duration.

Even though aMT is a tryptamine maybe a phenethylamine would be better?

The candidate would have to be one or a combo of more than one of these chemicals:

2C-B,C,D,E,I, 2C-T-2,T-7, DOx, DPT, 5-MeO-MiPT, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-AcO-DMT, acid, ketamine, mdma, mephedrone, methylone.

Any suggestions for what my girlfriend should take or combine while I'm on aMT so that our trips are compatible rather than clash?

Cheers
 
I got a bit of this as a birthday present... I'm looking forward to revisiting it. :) I had read years ago about its use in helping to get past addiction. So I'm going to try that, perhaps tomorrow, since I'm currently withdrawing from poppy seed tea - for the last time!

Good luck! aMT will leave you with an afterglow that no withdrawal can take away from you =D
 
I got a bit of this as a birthday present... I'm looking forward to revisiting it. :) I had read years ago about its use in helping to get past addiction. So I'm going to try that, perhaps tomorrow, since I'm currently withdrawing from poppy seed tea - for the last time!

hope it works out for you.

im actually planning on taking a bit tomorrow aswell.
Either aMT or Methylone, for a party im going to.
 
The candidate would have to be one or a combo of more than one of these chemicals:

2C-B,C,D,E,I, 2C-T-2,T-7, DOx, DPT, 5-MeO-MiPT, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DiPT, 4-AcO-DMT, acid, ketamine, mdma, mephedrone, methylone.

Any suggestions for what my girlfriend should take or combine while I'm on aMT so that our trips are compatible rather than clash?
Though I've never used many of the chems I'm recommending, reports indicate that DOC is probably the most similar of those (fairly light, with a positive push, and long). Lots of people don't like the length of DOx's though. If she can keep a 2C-B or 2C-C trip going decently through repeated dosing that would likely put her in a similar head space as well. A light LSD trip could work, too, if she finds it euphoric and not confusing. In my experience aMT's empathogenic effects are much smoother and less forceful than MDMA or its ilk so combining them with any of the other listed psychedelics would probably be too much for too short a time. Of course, the SSRI is probably going to interfere no matter what, since that paper I told you about indicates 2C-X's at least mildly release and inhibit the reuptake of monoamines (nowhere near as much as aMT), and that's probably why most people feel they've got a more positive push than tryptamines.
 
Has aMT made a lot of drugs redundant for anyone else? I dont bother with booze, MDMA, weed, speed, coke or pretty much anything now ive started taking this magical substance. None of them live up to what I experience on aMT. Ive become a bit obsessed with the stuff to tell you the truth...But not in a bad way , I just have yet to get anywhere near bored of it. I still get VERY exited when I know im gonna be taking some the next day or whatever.
 
what kind of doses are you taking?
People here enjoy doses in all ranges.

I love the 5-10mg range for a daily boost.

I only have limited experience with higher dose trips (40mg and 45mg) but both of those were quite spectacular too, though obviously in a different way than 5mg doses.
 
My girlfriend and I each took 30mg amt last night before a concert. The amt was over 2 years old kept in a vial at room temp. It had turned a light brown color from its original white color. At this dose I usually experience a nice stimulation and euphoria with very mild visuals. This time we were both extremely dehydrated the entire time. Drank about 8 bottles of water in a couple hours. The venue had air conditioning and the show was a very high energy show. A half hour into the show I had to buy someones bar stool off of them for $10, so I would be able to sit down. Everyone was dancing but my girlfriend and I had to stay seated for fear of passing out. I noticed more visual activity and more stimulation side effects, such as: grinding teeth, jaw clenching, eyes rolling, legs shaking, etc. But not enough energy to stand??? We also experienced none of the great euphoria that we had come to know and love from this gem. Does anyone with experience with amt know if the effects from degraded amt differ in ways other than the expected potency loss, such as those I listed above?
-Thanks
 
I doubt it had anything to do with pharmacologically active degradation products and everything to do with being dehydrated in a hot muggy stressful and exhausting environment that accentuated the negative for you the way bad environments on psychedelics tend to do. MDMA, like aMT, will raise body temperature way more than standard psyches, but I think MDMA tends to work for people in hot high energy environments because they're too blissed out to realize just how bad for them heat is on these kinds of drugs; aMT is less forceful so you retained more awareness of unpleasantness. The air conditioning at the show doesn't stand a chance against the heat given off by hundreds of sweaty jumping people. It's probably better for cooler outdoor festival kinds of shows than for sticky crowded dance venues.
 
I should add that after leaving the event (7 hours after consumption) we were still experiencing the unpleasant stimulant side effects with no euphoria or usefull energy. Sex was not even possible, we would overheat minutes into it. We also noticed none of the closeness or empathy we usually expect from amt. Amt usually makes me want to move around, give massages, talk, etc. This time I felt drained of any energy or motivation. We went to bed a little more then 12 hours after dosing still feeling the negative effects.
 
Ive had a sample of aMT laying around for a few months now that ive been dying to try, but am just too nervous to because of all the nasty things ive heard in regards to the nausea produced from this substance. From what ive read in here though, it seems like mostly none of you have been effected that much (since you're not talking about it), or even at all?

Id like to try a 25mg dosage to see what I would get, but I just dont want to spend hours on end vomiting. :\

Help?
 
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