PD's Big & Dandy 5-IAI Thread

[holdout]

So it's evident that there is consistency going around: many people are describing how the come-up reminds them of MDMA... and that's it... it just lingers and teases you without getting any better.

So perhaps the research is flawed in saying that it fully substitutes for MDMA in rats, because they too could have recognized the same emotions/feelings/sensations as an MDMA come-up and set off the trigger early, but really, it does not peak to the same level.

Yes.... we need people to try and take their samples to labs and post a GC/MS report so that we can see if the most abundant component matches the 5-IAI molecule.

 

[any major dude]

So how did you all enjoy the E3?
Are you all hiring a minibus up to we bonny Scotland as we speak with the intention of demanding you hard earned spondoolies back? Trades desription act and all that.....

Still look on the bright side, least it wasn't Salt and least you weren't poisoned.

So 5-IAI is being called E3?

Also, lol

 

[coffee23]

What I have seen definitely isn't flour-like powder (see pics below) - so I agree with Special Monster, above, that there are two batches - one of which is, by all accounts, inert.

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Hi,

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That's exactly what my "N-cat" looked like, and it smelled just like mephedrone.

Posted by: botflyOn: 29-05-2010 15:15

i would call 5-iai a mongy chilled out less intense version of mephedrone if that is what i've got.nice but the comedown is felt sort of instantly like meph.
not as harsh though just craving type of thing.
seems far more gentle on the heart than mephedrone.
you don't sweat that much either so i'd imagine it's not as toxic as meph.
hmm typing feels really cool, i'm not making any mistakes either:D

^
I though that with the "N-cat" i had, lol so much so i actually though it was before i had any.

 

[Shambles]

So 5-IAI is being called E3?

Also, lol

Not really. E3 is supposedly a cannabinoid. Or it might be "The New Mephedrone". As it's the same "E" who brought us the wondrous New Meph part 1 and 2 - aka NRG-1 and NRG-2 amongst other things - I wouldn't get your hopes up... Also, can we not use the E numbers - it's virtually advertising for the prick

PS: A fair few folks are saying that NRG-2 and N-Cat are indistinguishable in effect. A fair few have also suggested NRG-2/N-Cat is actually 5-IAI. Maybe they realised it was all but bunk so are trying to shift it under a load of other names - cos folks have to try them all even if they know they're either the same or so similar they may as well be. Or maybe there's just a lotta shitty RCs about at the moment 8)

 

[7zark7]

*snip*

Still look on the bright side, least it wasn't Salt and least you weren't poisoned.

…but remember, the Government guidelines for salt state recommended maximum of 6g a day!

 

[botfly]

so i probably got n-cat/energy-2 sold as 5-iai or it's the other way round. i give up. think i'll wait for benzo fury instaed of all this bollocks.

 

[fryingsquirrel]

So it's evident that there is consistency going around: many people are describing how the come-up reminds them of MDMA... and that's it... it just lingers and teases you without getting any better.

So perhaps the research is flawed in saying that it fully substitutes for MDMA in rats, because they too could have recognized the same emotions/feelings/sensations as an MDMA come-up and set off the trigger early, but really, it does not peak to the same level.

Or perhaps it fully substitutes in rats but not humans. Are rats even capable of empathy? Full substitutes in rats could mean nothing more than a somewhat pleasant stimulant.

 

[iloveironcrosses]

I've still not slept since 7am on Thursday. Still have a wired feeling in head, other than that no other real effects. Been eating fine, etc. I'm a crap sleeper at the best of times, hoping i can sleep tongiht. Just done a 10hr work in shift, lol

Also my pupils have been going up and down all day, last time i took any of the stuff was yesterday AM

 

[RC_Enthusiast]

I've still not slept since 7am on Thursday. Still have a wired feeling in head, other than that no other real effects. Been eating fine, etc. I'm a crap sleeper at the best of times, hoping i can sleep tongiht. Just done a 10hr work in shift, lol

Also my pupils have been going up and down all day, last time i took any of the stuff was yesterday AM

Did you get the flour type batch or crystal type mate? Seems strange you're getting such wired up effects from it compared to the handful of others that have tried it on here & another forum I'm on, then again everybody can react different to chems.

Hopefully [if it was even 5-IAI everybody has taken here] it gets better with time as this is very early doors, Meph batches at the start were pretty dodgy & stunk of fish until the decent chunky crystal came along.

 

[iloveironcrosses]

Mine wsa tiny little shards/crystals which looked like powder but when i dipped my finger in it was like the stuf in the detailed pic just above

 

[RC_Enthusiast]

Mine wsa tiny little shards/crystals which looked like powder but when i dipped my finger in it was like the stuf in the detailed pic just above

Did it/is it giving you any heart palpitations? That's the big problem I had with Mephedrone & I wasn't ripping the arse out of it either [1/2 a gram to a gram over a weekend at most normally] but still the next day I would always get bad heart palpitations & sometimes sharp pains in my heart & dizzy/weird spell so I had to stop using it.

If 5-IAI is as was mentioned in one report a mild Mephedrone with less strain on the heart/body it would suit me down to the ground, I'm gonna hold off a while tho till more reports come in & we can confirm it's defo 5-IAI people are receiving.

I will make sure to post a pic of what I receive tho & a pick of the EZ Test results when I do, the majority of people have a camera phone these days so everybody that tests it should take a pic of what they receive [and EZ Test results if possible] & post it up so we can make comparisons as it's not a great task.

You should take a Benzo if you have access to them mate, always does wonders for come downs with me.

 

[squatlover]

Benzos are gold for comedowns, far better than weed.

 

[nuke]

Or perhaps it fully substitutes in rats but not humans. Are rats even capable of empathy? Full substitutes in rats could mean nothing more than a somewhat pleasant stimulant.

The major difference between this and MDMA is assumed to be lack of a strong serotonergic agonist metabolite (MDA). I mentioned before in the thread that I think to obtain the same sort of euphoric high as experienced with MDMA you'd have to mix in a small dose of a serotonin agonist like mushrooms, 2c-b or LSD.

The other problem is that 5-IAI is experimentally determined to have an NE:5HT release ratio of about 1:2 while MDMA/MDA has about 2:1. The more profound 5HT release may make it less interesting as a drug of abuse.

Of course, before you try any combinations, you should try to establish whether the drug itself is very safe alone. It is also expected that such combinations will cause neurotoxicity.

 

[fryingsquirrel]

Seems like if this is releasing to much 5HT relative to NE it should be combined with something like amphetamine rather than a psychedelic, is the goal is a MDMA type high.

 

[iloveironcrosses]

I got pretty bad palpitations similar to what NRG1 gave. I never got any with mephedrone unless i took a lot. Just got 13hrs sleep, still feel a little wired and my hearing is still really sharp lol

 

[redrangercraig]

I had the exact same problem as Iloveironcrosses, I have only just got over it but still have minor palpatations which are affecting my sleep. I did far less though.

 

[iloveironcrosses]

I took the gram spread out over around 24hrs. I'd probably advice people not to touch this stuff. I found it very similar to NRG1 just not as intense.

 

[Ljj]

This sleep deprivation doesn't sound too good.. Lets hope this was due to impurities or something..

 

[coffee23]

I will make sure to post a pic of what I receive tho & a pick of the EZ Test results when I do, the majority of people have a camera phone these days so everybody that tests it should take a pic of what they receive [and EZ Test results if possible] & post it up so we can make comparisons as it's not a great task.

Hi,

I have just ordered another g of that N-Cat, I have the EZ Test Complete so will give it a try (not used the EZ Test yet), and will post the results (inc pics) here.

Least we can try and work out what's what, lol.

 

[RC_Enthusiast]

I will make sure to post a pic of what I receive tho & a pick of the EZ Test results when I do, the majority of people have a camera phone these days so everybody that tests it should take a pic of what they receive [and EZ Test results if possible] & post it up so we can make comparisons as it's not a great task.

Hi,

I have just ordered another g of that N-Cat, I have the EZ Test Complete so will give it a try (not used the EZ Test yet), and will post the results (inc pics) here.

Least we can try and work out what's what, lol.

Nice one mate.

Aye if everybody takes a pic of their gear when they receive it & EZ Test results where possible we can try whittle it down a bit as nobody is any the wiser as to who's getting what at the minute even after a handful of trip reports.