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Suggestions for a 15-20 hit LSD Trip

psilocybonaut said:
I've done LSD many times. Highest dose I've done was about a milligram I believe, and it was very very pleasurable (good liquid).

I got 20 hits from the same person recently. This guy is a wookie (family connections) and his acid is always real good (last time it was 125mcg/hit at least). Last time it was liquid, this time it is blotter. I don't know the potency but i'm sure it's at least 100mcg.

I plan on taking 15-20 hits at a time for a strong, hopefully around 2mg trip. Should I do 15 or 20? Is there anything you guys would recommend that I do before I trip? Precautions I should take, things I should do before, during, and after, etc. How different is 1.5-2mg compared to 1mg? Is it just duration, or do the effects increase/get better? I've never done over a milligram before.

I am an experienced tripper, but i'm just looking to see if there's anything you guys suggest that i haven't already thought of.

I'd just lie some opinions, please dont tell me to use the search engine or read erowid, nothing there answered my questions.

Yeah, honestly, if I were in your position, I'd take all 20. Have someone with you to watch out for you. Make sure they know how many you're taking and are cool with it. Then, takes those hits and trip! Have a good trip. I'm slightly envious of you ;)
 
Youkai said:
WHY DO PEOPLE GET NAKED ON LSD?????

always naked on lsd!!!! not mushrooms, not mdma but lsd!!!!



and if you are in the right mind, taking 2-4mg can be a beautiful experience. your not goin to do much unless you freak out. treat it like a DMT/ayahuasca trip as it will be FULLY submersive. unlike ~1mg it is alot more fully on the other side.

sadly, my great 2-3mg experience I was cracked out and then befor I fully went over I took some benzos. but I'll do a finger tab soon enough, but honestly the bullshit in drugs and the sale of them is starting to make me realise that even with LSD, its all adict behavior. most of the same people who control your doses are drug addicts and only care about making money and getting high.
I get naked on shrooms....

Sometimes on MDMA, depends on who I'm with though :)
 
If you're going to do 15-20 doses, I would make absolutely sure that you take it easy (drugwise) for a few weeks beforehand so you don't build up any tolerance whatsoever. It would be a shame to miss the full flavour of such a momentous occasion. You probably won't do it very often, so want to be sure you get the full effects. I look forward to the trip report, there aren't many recent high-dose stories.
 
Youkai said:
its still not to expensive to produce LSD compaired to the final result after distribution. But I suspect the same people who know the old/new chemist in the game are the same ones who spiked the price originaly in the late 90's early 2000's. it wasnt but a decade ago vials were 70bucks if you ahd teh right plugs... now.. you dont want to know.

Ahh the good old days of $80/sheet or vial. Now I've heard of people selling for 10x as much for a vial! 8o

I hope some enterprising people flood the market and bring the prices back down to Earth. LSD is one drug that the world can use more of.
 
Youkai said:
WHY DO PEOPLE GET NAKED ON LSD?????

always naked on lsd!!!! not mushrooms, not mdma but lsd!!!!

I've seen some level of undressed a couple of time on MDMA, but yes LSD does seem to bring out the streaker side in people.
 
well this is about the first time i've looked at this site since my nice short post in this thread, and yes i was on adderall at the time i wrote it (to which i have a legal perscription). So given the fact that i haven't bothered to look around here for two years+ the theory of wanting to impress or brag doesn't much fly. As i skimmed through the following posts i saw someone sum it up nicely "i'm not bragging about it, merely admiting it"

As to the hit count, well that's a bit subjective isn't it? Potency varies widely in subject area's such as this. One person may say they ate a sheet of blotter and have a dissapointing expeirence while their buddy can take 5 hits of liquid and be left drooling in the corner muttering about being an orange. Though the paper may only be 10ug a hit where the liquid is 500ug a hit...sure the guy ate a sheet...but so fucking what, right?

As for the quip about being a junkie...well matter of perspective i suppose. From my point of view a junkie is someone that needs drugs to get through the day..lies steals and hustles anyone and everyone to get their next dose, or embrace the balancing act of selling drugs to support their own habit. Which sadly enough i saw far too many of my friends resort to...

As much as i enjoyed drugs of many and varying kinds, i didn't feel the NEED to seek them out, fuck over my friends or family, or rip anyone off just so i could get fucked up. The vast majority of the time i never had to make a phone call or even leave my house. I don't deny i lost control on ocassion with powders of varying kinds, but thankfully i was able to admit to myself that i was and take a step back for awhile...until i finally said fuck it and quit doing everything cold turkey despite being tempted with offers...I did all i did because i wanted to, not because i had a compulsion to.

That said i'm the first to admit being shocked that i'm not dead, as their is probably a dozen different times i should have. My buddy that ate the 10 pack along with the cid is painfully aware of that as well, and their is not a single person that either of us knew from back in the day that doesn't voice the same sentiment in every conversation shared, and no matter how reckless i may have been, i have never had any aspirations to go to the extremes that my friend did. But i guess he knew his limits....just as i know mine.

But anyway, my days of drug use are long gone, the only substance i've any interest in is LSD which i've not had in nearing a decade. my only goal was to share my expierences, not get my ego stroked by strangers on the internet still doing the things i've long since left behind. So think what you want. Know your limits and accept them, and fuck anyone who judges you for doing something they wont.
 
WHY DO PEOPLE GET NAKED ON LSD?????

always naked on lsd!!!! not mushrooms, not mdma but lsd!!!!

hahahaha, I JUST had an LSD trip where things got a little bit overly intense and I took off all my clothes and then had a freakout and then an anxiety attack, I even called out to my friends who were sleeping in the other room to come help me, i think i said something like "come in and help me I'm all fucked up...but i'm naked !" and then he didn't come in and help hahaha. Good times, in retrospect.
 
Know your limits and accept them, and fuck anyone who judges you for doing something they wont.

too true. fuck the immature people who still play that schoolyard one-upmanship bullshit.
and fuck the people who are too pathetic to be their own person.



i think i said something like "come in and help me I'm all fucked up...but i'm naked !" and then he didn't come in and help
^ would you have come to help if you were in your friends position?
a friend in a room, all whacked out on acid, and naked, trying to lure you into the room?
i dont think so...
 
Oh man no way I would help. hahaha, i'm really glad he didn't help, it would surely have made for a much more embarassing and shitty day after.

In retrospect, it makes me laugh that I still had the common decency to address the fact that even though I am in the pits of an acid trip from hell and I realllllllly need a friend to comfort me, that the reality of the situation is that really i'm just naked and that it's probably in EVERYONE's best interest in the long run if you just let me suffer for now.

Eventually once i came out, my friend was just sitting with me saying stuff like "I really like you and I like having you as a friend and I'm glad to be with you right now" and it was all better eventually.
 
Well I got naked and THEN flipped out. But here's what happened. I did three hits of acid to start the night off, and there was 3.5 grams of ketamine that 4 of us were working on for the night. I also did 25 mgs of 2C-D.

So anyways, I was higher than high itself, and me and the missus decide to go have sexy time. So we go and remove clothes and start fooling around a little bit. At one point my partnet got up to go to the bathroom, and i decided to go snort another line of ketamine.

So she comes back and I'm like "hey i just snorted another line of k ! you should go do one too, it's great !" So she goes and snorts another line. But i guess that last line just put me over the edge a little bit, and I started "losing it" a little bit. Just rambling nonsense and being generally really weird and not making any sense. And I guess this was really creeping her out cause she was also on LSD and ketamine, and thought I was losing my marbles, permanently.

So the fresh line of ketamine i snorted was getting strong and stronger, and we were both deciding that enough was enough, lets' get up and turn on the lights and get a little grounded and come down a little bit. But when I get up, i underestimate just how fucked up I am, and I end up becoming TOTALLY lost as to where I am, where the lightswitch is (it's like one step from the bed I am on), and i basically just collapse on the floor naked, and enter the WORST k-hole ever. I thought my soul was getting carried away in a spectral net, and I would start meditating to center myself so I wouldn't get carried to far (it actually litterally felt like i was grasping to the last frayed ends of sanity that I had).

So the reality of the situation now is I'm on the cold floor, naked, k-holing, and I didn't expect to be here at all.

So i guess i didn't take lsd, and get naked because lsd made me go crazy...But still, that drug and nakedness....

2C-D a ketamine have a FUCKING CRAZY synergy, and i think that really had a lot to do with me tripping balls over the bleeding edge to the point where i appeared totally start raving made for like 20 minutes. But right at the peak of it, it was LSD that i could sense was really really making things hell.
 
you guys keep mentioning anti psychotics....where could i get some thorazine? it's not like i can go to my doctor and ask for it....it's harder to fake being psychotic than in pain. am i right?
 
im interested in Rondeaus question as well, but id assume that BL's guidelines would preclude talk about sources.
 
They certainly would - we are not here to help anybody find any drugs. That's your business not ours. We are here to share experience of and to provide information on safer usage of those drugs. But you have to find 'em yourself.
 
When I go to the burn at transformus this year I am taking some thorazine with me. THAT I am sure of. Because if I don't need it, someone will.

I should be ok. Most of the time I can cope with having my brain separated into a bazillion little pieces and shot into space. BUT, just in case I want to have the cure.
 
sorry guys, i didn't want to cause trouble. it's just that thorazine doesn't have much recreational value (that i know of) so i can't see it being sold on the streets. lemme re-phrase my question: is thorazine sold on the black market?
 
I very much doubt it but may be wrong. Find someone with a script is the only way of getting hold of it without a script yourself, I'd think. Not exactly recreational as you mention. Personally, I don't see a need for it really. Benzos are as far as I'd go to reign in a wayward trip and even then only as an absolute last resort. Killing "bad" trips can often be worse than riding it out, in my opinion.
 
I was a teenager in the mid to late 80s in the Bay Area. At that time 90% of the LSD in the USA was produced in Northern CA. I was lucky to have access to cheap, strong, and plentiful acid. Without giving out prices, hits were less than a bottle of coke, and sheets less than it costs to fill my car with gas. In college in the 90s I did lots of acid too. LSD is a mind expanding drug. Compared to cannabis its like dynamite compared to an a bomb. 10-20 hits is like a 50 megaton h-bomb. The hardest I ever dosed was @ the 92' dead show in Las Vegas were I took a hit of 4 way (4 hits). Anyway, I'm going to post some historical stuff that another person on another website named china cat, intimate with the underground scene that has bearing on the effects of large doses. She talks about laying doses:

A common initiation was taking a "thumb print" of acid. As it bears on the effects of large doses of LSD, I have included it

Information provided by chinacat72


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how does one fall into this line of work?

"For me and the rest of the people on tour it was just a matter of spending year after year on tour. The elder`s that are on top keep in a eye on everybody that help`s move there stuff. They also know the intentions of those people. If they know your true and a total believer in the work they start letting you hang around.

Many hour`s are spent in hotel rooms watching them work. They make sure you know every detail. Also they make sure that you know the importance of being honest and laying your product correctly. Every hit you lay has the potential to change somebody`s life and bring them into the light. It`s taught like an apprenticeship.

My first thumbprint was silver. Before my print i thought i was pretty experienced with acid. I had been puddled many times with strong liquid. I wasn`t near as experienced as i thought as i walked into the room and everybody had a huge grin on there face, and i saw what i was about to take. Thumbprint`s arn`t weighed out on a scale. It`s more of "that`s a nice little chunk ,that should do" Your talking several sheet`s or more when you do a print.

Fluff and needlpoint are damn pure and i don`t imagine bears was any purer. I have heard of batches of needlepoint being as high as 98% White fluff is gorgous crystal. We would eat this crystal like crazy. When i first met the main guy in charge of this crystal he was snorting it!!!!

After i did a fluff print i never did any other kind except needlepoint. When you eat crystal you definatly can tell the differences between them. Purity does matter at that level."




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Isn't a thumbprint dangerous? You'd think a persons mind would be changed forever after doing that amount.

A thumbprint isn`t even close to the largest doses people have done. Dangerous? LSD is physiologicaly one of the safest drugs there are. There`s not one valid death that can be attributed to physiological complications from taking LSD. I didn`t know all this when i was taking it though.

Psychologically it could be very negative if the wrong person does it. That`s why we didn`t just walk around the parking lot handing out thumbprint`s.

As far as high doses go, it totally opens you up. For about a week afterwards your first print you need some babysitting. Hell you`ve just been reborn! After awhile it`s less tramatic. As for after effects. I am middle aged and healthy. I have 3 bright healthy children. And i`m just getting my bachelor`s degree with a 3.5GPA I do feel high very often though, but i don`t mind. The man that gave me my first print still does crystal once in awhile and he`s in his mid sixties."

Here's some historical stuff on laying acid:

Crystal to blotter [lsd]

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The information in this thread was generously provided by Chinacat72

"I will discuss LSD crystal and what happens with it. This info is from my experiences a long time ago.I can safely offer it because I have retired from this line of work and stay far away from it.

First I will briefly discuss the people or family as there called so you can get an appreciation for what they do and have done. The family is motivated to spread LSD because we believe that LSD is a key givin to us from above. LSD was givin to man from god to help him see the error of his ways. Why do you think it was discovered during the most horrible time in history. It is the antidote for the atomic bomb. It`s doesn`t matter if you beleive this or not ,because what i`m trying to express is how deeply important the family feels about the sacred value of LSD. Those who are at the upper level`s of the family will gladly sacrifice there lifes and freedom to do this work.

OK now down to the crystal. I have little knowlege about LSD manufacture so i`m going to talk about the final product the crystal. On tour crystal came in brown glass bottles with 1-10 grams in them. The bottles were sealed and contained CO2 and crystal. You can`t just buy crystal from family. First you have to be taught how to lay it ,which i`ll cover in a little bit. Also you have to do a thumbprint(eat it) there are no exeptions to this rule.The reason is to make sure your Karma is clean enough to handle this sacred work.

TYPES OF CRYSTAL

Needlepoint -very pure(95 white powerdery crystal,was available in small amount`s. The best of the best

White Fluff -Very pure(95 white light flakes of crystal. Still around and the most sought after. very pure

Silver -Good and clean(85-90-light greyish crystal. Was an unbelievable amount of this around in the late eighty`s and early nineties. Very good stuff. My first thumbprint was this kind. If you ate acid in the 80-90`s you probably sampled some silver.

Amber -Decent(70%?) This crystal varied from a light amber color to an almost dark brown color.Was always available.One batch called quadricept amber was the color of light honey and was very good.Lot`s a people worked with this crystal but I always would use silver instead since it was better and the same price.

Lavender -(60-70%?) light purple to almost black colored crystal. Like amber it varied batch to batch.

TJ (tornado juice) - purity unknown. I seen this shit in about four different colors and it always scared me. No experiance with it.

Champagne -(50-60 black crystal, nasty stuff IMHO. I worked with it once and swore to never touch it again.

OK so you got some crystal and need to get it on blotter. It`s a pretty amazing feeling holding a jar in your hands that has 10 grams of crystal in it. That`s 100,000 doses in the palm of your hand. For dealing with laying we`ll say we got 1 gram. Acid is always layed 1 gram=10 tenpacks. A tenpack is tensheets. 1gram=10,000doses. If your laying needlpoint your doses will be 95mcg, because your crystal is 95% pure. If your laying amber your shit will be 70mcg, because it`s 70% pure. got it

Now you get a glass pyrex pan to dip your tenpacks in. Your crystal is dissovled into 110ml. of everclear per gram.The purer crystals dissolve instantly with a little stirring. The not so pure take a little shaking. Champange is damn near impossible to get to dissolve evenly.

Paper-for white blotter standard watercolor paper#14 or equivalent is used. It`s critical you get the right paper. If you don`t it won`t absorb right and you`ll fuck it all up.Print`s are made up ahead of time and perferated.

OK so you got your crystal dissolved and your paper cut and ready. There are 2 schools when it comes to putting it on the paper. First dump the solution in the pan and dip each tenpack into it then lift it up and let any excess solution run off into the pan. Second method is to put the tenpack into the pan and squirt the solution on it with a baby syringe(the ones they give little kids medicine with). I Have done both and prefer dipping them just because its quicker .Then the tenpacks are layed out to dry which doesn`t take long since alcohol evaporates quickly. If you did it right there will be very little residue left in the bottom of the pan.This redidue is extremely potent and is either soaked up with a piece of paper(called mop up) or made into potent liquid(called wash). Whatever you choose this is saved for your personal use. While your doing all this you get very,very high. As soon as you open the jar of crystal it intoxicates the air. Most people were rubber gloves when doing this some don`t. Just don`t have any plans afterwards.

There might be slightly different methods used when laying, but this is how the dead family does it. After the tenpacks are dryed there distibuted and eaten up. Since the end of the Grateful Dead the massive distribution network that used to get rid of so much acid has been broken up badly. Never fear Acid is still out there"

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You said the Family was always on tour with the Dead. Do you know offhand if any of them ever had the occasion to hang with Jerry and the guys?

"A lot of the older guys did. Hell the family started with the Dead and Bear. It's all connected from the band, crew to the fans and faithful.

As for hanging with Jerry myself , no. I got backstage several times, but that doesn't mean anything. There's backstage and then there is the bands backstage ,thats off limits. I would much rather be in the crowd. The closest I ever got to Jerry was ten feet as he walked by me and a bunch of other people. I just smiled. I had nothing to say. He had a lot of pressure with all the people who clung to him and thought he was a god.

It was really hard for him to deal with and one of the reasons he turned to smack IMHO. I had nothing to say to him ,Except mabye "Play St. Stephen!"


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Quoting Chinacat72

"In the days of old tour wasn't just a time to flood the country with LSD, but also about making connections. For those of us on the road full time we needed an income when we got back to the bay area. Meeting kind people on tour was always nice, but it also provided an chance to spread the juice when we wern't traveling. When the Dead toured 4 times a year you would meet all sorts of folks from every nook and crany of the US. Some of these people were chosen to provide for there community. This is a huge link in the distribution chain. And its also in very, very bad shape.

When Jerry died there was a lot of folks who quit touring. As people moved around connections were severed. In the old days if you lost track of people you knew you would see them at the next tour. Now thats not an option because there is no tour. People have fell out of touch. People have moved on. So as the years have moved on the existing links have been stretched thinner and thinner."


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I was just curious what kind of sheets were going around when you were into it, was there always different sheets or was there stockpiles of certain kinds?

"Over the 8 years I was on tour I saw more prints than I possibly could remember or list. I wouldn't even know were to begin. Hundreds and hundreds of different kinds. My favorite was plain white unperferated paper. The reason for this was alot of cops don't know what a tenpack of white unperfed blotter looks like. Once on a Greyhound bus from Floridia to Baltimore our bus was stopped and a bunch of feds got on it. They searched everybodys bags. They were looking for guns or coke since we were coming from floridia. I'll never forget the feeling of watching a federal agent (FBI I believe) go through my bag and pull stuff out. I had a gram(ten- tenpacks or 10,000 doses) of white paper. He pulled it out and had no clue what it was . It looked like just a bunch of ten inch square pieces of paper to him. Had it be perferated and had a print on it he probably would have known. After that I was a true believer in white unperfed paper.

Print's are usually made in mass amounts and then sold to the different familys. So one kind of print can actually have several different kinds of crystal on them. This happened years ago with the Jesus Christ prints. The first ones were made of very pure white fluff and they were dipped to contain a little over 100mcg. People went nuts over them and the were the talk of the summer. Then the lavender family got hold of the same print and put there dirty ass crystal on them and they were about half the strength as the original white fluff batch.

People should know the truth about LSD. The internet is the perfect medium to transfer this knowlege. Just enough info can be given to paint a general picture of how things work, without giving specifics that would endanger this important work. I am in the perfect position to do so. I am long enough removed from the active scene to offer information without endangering anyone including myself. My friends that still live in the old world are very supportive.

Now it seams lifetimes ago. I was just a tool in a very large tool box. The family was around long before I came around. Luckily it was in a time when a lot of the older folks were around to help with the scene. For me LSD is a gift and tool given to man from the heavens. I truly believe it is here to point us back towards the light. These values are the same with almost all the family.

After you get a glimpse of eternity you can't help ,but want to share it with others who need it."

LSD is still around though it seems that a majority of the labs are inactive at the moment. This is normal as they don`t produce all the time. Most like the silver family only produce about every 5 years. Though they usually produce enough to last that long.

When the Grateful Dead toured massive amount`s of LSD were distributed around the country. On a typical east coast tour 100-150grams could easily be sold. Thats a million to a million and a half doses. This flooded these citys and the lsd trickled down to every nook and cranny of america. By the time it was dry again another tour would roll through the region and resupply it. Plus we would meet people on tour from certain area`s of the country and keep them supplied with the help of the good ole USPS.

Sadly when the dead stopped touring this network went into shambles. People fell out of touch and with no shows ,there wasn`t the marketplace for distibution.In turn parts of the country arn`t getting saturated anymore.

LSD isn`t moved and sold like the cartel`s move coke and such. It`s handled by a brotherhood of people who truly believe there doing the work of god(or whatever name you call creation). We believe that LSD crystal has to be handled by the right people who are totally committed to the movement.
When we moved crystal there was always the feeling that we were protected by a higher power. I can`t tell you how many times i have had crystal or acid on me or my brothers and have been in situation`s where we should have gotten busted and something always protected us. So many times that coincidence is not an option. Why do i think we were protected. Because the family does it for mankind not money. We viewed LSD as the only hope for the radical change in conciousness that would save us. So in effect we viewed are work as the work of God. You know why they never busted a family lab? Because we would never betray LSD. Just as Jesus was nailed to the cross we were willing to spend the rest of our lives in jail or die to protect what we viewed as the salvation of are species. Sound`s a little dramatic doesn`t it, but i`m trying to give you an understanding of the faith in LSD that the family has.

By the way the Kansas bust was not a family lab incase anybody is wondering. The point i`m trying to make is the family believes LSD has to move through the right hands. This is why you can`t go down to the corner and get a gram of crystal. sorry to ramble.

As some of the cooks retire i rest assure you that they pass there recipes and secret`s down to those chosen to continue to fight the good fight. I don`t think it will ever be as readily available all over the country as it once was due to the break up of the distribution cycle of tour. I could be wrong and hope i am.

Alot of old family have moved on and including myself retired, feeling we served our time. The family does hear your cry`s for more acid and they don`t plan on giving up on mankind. Now's a good time for labs to be inactive. the current government administration is viewed as a bad storm that needs to pass as jerry sang "all good things in all good time" Keep the faith"

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=497432

http://forums.mycotopia.net/misc-ent...otter-lsd.html
 
^thx for the post jspun.
Alot of us here are familiar with chinacat.

For those that arent, that info is a little outdated. Things dont exactly run like that anymore and those crystal names are also not much more than dealers talking up their products these days.
 
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