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Final chapter in Melb Gang War - Carl Williams dead

Something that i would like to add to this whole incident is that i have been speaking to someone. I dont really want to go into anything on who he is or how i know him but he is an insider, he rarely talks about anything to me that is confidential even if he is a really good friend but he mentioned that Carl Williams mite not be dead. (I in no way can back this theory up as its just a theory) but he told me that no one saw his body. He said that this whole thing mite have been organized just to get him out. There is an internal investigation going on so hopefully if this is true we will know soon. What does everyone else think?

ps: I have a hard time believing this whole story and it wasnt me who thought of this but who knows what really happened.
 
Dunno man, only way to tell is to dig up his gold coffin and have a looksie..

Similar theory's go around for anyone who is relatively famous that has died..Carl, Michael Jackson, Tupac, Elvis...Anything is possible i guess but like you said - who know's?
 
I'm almost positive he is dead. However, I don't believe for a second that it was simply a prison murder. Someone outside ordered it, and my money is on it being linked to police corruption. Whether this ever makes it to the public domain is another issue entirely.
 
WitchfinderGeneral said:
I'm almost positive he is dead. However, I don't believe for a second that it was simply a prison murder. Someone outside ordered it, and my money is on it being linked to police corruption. Whether this ever makes it to the public domain is another issue entirely.
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You should read MrIbis's pages back in this thread, I think his more on the cards.

As far as the odds of Carl Williams actually being alive, I find it extremely hard to believe. It's one thing for these rumours to come out when it happens to a celebrity.

But to a celebrity drug lord whose already in prison? It would be a MASSIVE operation to get done, the prison guards (easily paid for) Police warden (slightly harder to be paid for) + Police chiefs + corrupt doctor's. Not saying Corrupt doctors don't exist, it's quite common that you give a doctor money they will give you the drugs you are after, but to put a criminal ganglord who supplied a huge portion of the country with METHamphetamines. I find unlikely.

Not impossible, but If Carl Williams is dead I wouldn't just be shocked or amazed. I'd be down right flabbergasted!
 
I think alot of people REALLY under-estimate just how bad corruption is in this country. .



It is EVERYWHERE in all levels of Government

Councils.
Doctors.
Police.
State Transit Authority. (train drivers and the like for fucks sake!!)
Fire Brigade.



If you are in a position of power you CAN and more the likely WILL be corrupted, especially if its the norm..

I think this goes deeper then any of us shall ever know.
 
Just need to look at history to see that humans are easily corrupted. I would love to hear about the corruption of train drivers, though. Never considered it.
 
TripppAR said:
I think alot of people REALLY under-estimate just how bad corruption is in this country. .



It is EVERYWHERE in all levels of Government

Councils.
Doctors.
Police.
State Transit Authority. (train drivers and the like for fucks sake!!)
Fire Brigade.



If you are in a position of power you CAN and more the likely WILL be corrupted, especially if its the norm..

I think this goes deeper then any of us shall ever know.
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Very very true.
 
TripppAR said:
I think alot of people REALLY under-estimate just how bad corruption is in this country. .



It is EVERYWHERE in all levels of Government

Councils.
Doctors.
Police.
State Transit Authority. (train drivers and the like for fucks sake!!)
Fire Brigade.



If you are in a position of power you CAN and more the likely WILL be corrupted, especially if its the norm..

I think this goes deeper then any of us shall ever know.
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I call Bullshit, I think you've been watching too much 24

Not that I have ANY level of proof. But I doubt you do either.
I think corruption is less common these days then it's ever been.
Train drivers, fire brigade and police I say yes. Corruption in many levels.

Councils, I think corruption goes only as high as local councils, once you reach state level, you are highly watched, and dealings and people you spend time with become noticed quickly.
Corruption at this level I think would be extremely rare. And once you hit the highest levels of parliment I don't think there is any corruption (Once again, no proof of this, just purely speculation)

Doctors, I think there is some level of corruption, many people who take a passion in drug discussion, are highly intelligent and become passionate about Chemistry aswell, MrIbis is a prime example of this from his own testimony.
But I think it would be extremely hard to set one up to release someone like Carl Williams who supplied such a heavy drug to so many people. Doctors prime goal is still HarmReduction.

After I finish uni (two years yet) It's very much my goals to get into politics and local councils, and me being the drug loving fella that I am, would still not become corrupt. I would try to get my views across, but I wouldn't be doing corrupt things to jeoprodize my chances of getting higher up, although I'd still do personal use. And if I did find out someone was corrupt I'd be the first to approach them about it.
 
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thestudent14 said:
I call Bullshit, I think you've been watching too much 24

Not that I have ANY level of proof. But I doubt you do either.
I think corruption is less common these days then it's ever been.
Train drivers, fire brigade and police I say yes. Corruption in many levels.

Councils, I think corruption goes only as high as local councils, once you reach state level, you are highly watched, and dealings and people you spend time with become noticed quickly.
Corruption at this level I think would be extremely rare. And once you hit the highest levels of parliment I don't think there is any corruption (Once again, no proof of this, just purely speculation)

Doctors, I think there is some level of corruption, many people who take a passion in drug discussion, are highly intelligent and become passionate about Chemistry aswell, MrIbis is a prime example of this from his own testimony.
But I think it would be extremely hard to set one up to release someone like Carl Williams who supplied such a heavy drug to so many people. Doctors prime goal is still HarmReduction.

After I finish uni (two years yet) It's very much my goals to get into politics and local councils, and me being the drug loving fella that I am, would still not become corrupt. I would try to get my views across, but I wouldn't be doing corrupt things to jeoprodize my chances of getting higher up, although I'd still do personal use. And if I did find out someone was corrupt I'd be the first to approach them about it.
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I agree that thew assertion you are responding to is complete woo-woo bs but corruption in Victoria is very real and we NEED a royal commission. Go to ABC's iView and watch 'The Inquisition that was played a day or two ago, it is a history of NSW's Woods Royal Commission, a lot of people used to say there was no high level corruption in NSW too, but we've never had a similar airing of dirt like they did in NSw. It is LONG overdue imo, and the fact that a high level informer on police corruption could be got in what should be THE most secure unit in Australia if not the world raises serious questions about our criminal justice system. The IPO has done a lot but the public needs to know about the shit we're not being told, due to suppression orders 'in the courts.
 
you wait in years people will be spotting him at a mcdonalds just like they see elvis.............oh look there's Carl Williams he really is alive ;)
 
ok i have just had a quick skim threw

williams was said to give evidence or report on soe dog high up the chain so this makes me think it could be lagitishhh....BUT the unit he ws in is a super max unit it was upgraded for the towl heads and ganstas everything is xrayed on its way into the unit port phillip doesnt even hve a exersize bike in the yard i cant confirm barwon did or it has seems weird tho and ws the total bike bolted down??

here are some facts
williams has had 500,000 on his head since the munster got toped open to anyone..
the leader of the p.o.w is reported to be matty johnson who is in that unit for some say protecttion others say other stuff so maybe he did it to clear his name
for carl to be found in his cell after being knocked in the yard 30 mins later FKING imposible not in that unit no way!!!!!!!!!!!!

there is to many little things that dont add up if this happen at a private jail fuck me jeasus would there be investigations this that going on its not sold for me....mokbel and his 2 brothers are also in there kicking it and there all in the same unit either that or banksia
 
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