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The Big & Dandy 4-MeO-PCP Thread

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psood0nym said:
There's an IM 4-MeO-PCP report in TR that states the solution prepared for injection had a gasoline rainbow type effect on the surface. From the estimated dose they reported theirs had to be more pure than 25 percent, but it does make you wonder about these more recent batches...
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I'm kinda pissed because I ordered some from another vendor before I heard about this and have no idea if this is from the impure batch or not. I planned on plugging it but if it ends up being impure I won't have a very reasonable dosage to take me where I want to go. I figure I could IM it which would create better effects but i'm a little wary considering it might be only 25% pure.
 
immaturepoop said:
Well I'm not one for pharmacology, but don't forget that a -OH group is more polar than a carbonyl group...
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Which in turn makes it harder for the molecule to cross the blood-brain barrier, and I'm sure you know where this is going.

Anyone tried to smoke it?
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As long as you start really small (~2 mg) and titrate slowly, maybe over a few days, there's no reason you can't find this out for yourself.
 
The 25% purity from *a vendor* cenrtainly explians tje redicolus amot of ubstance ingestinged. wich is prett nasty
 
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You can get quite a few compounds with 4-position in aromatic ring substituted and most of them are just inactive. 4-Meo-PCP is one of few analogs that gave some effects (beside this there is 4-fluoro-PCP which is also less active than PCP, any other halogen substituent there gives nothing which means something - don't put nitro group for example and for a reason). Only 4-HO-PCP shows activity comparable to PCP, I didn't have time to evaluate this. Just any substitution here on the aromatic ring will give an inactive/not much active compound (see 2-chloro in ketamine e.g.) excluding 3-position... Now those compounds are the ones to evaluate! 3-amino-PCP or 3-OH-PCP are great compounds (for those who seek neverending opioid-dissociative state via injecting morphine and ketamine).

(zonk) said:
the "plateaus" is retarded, it would make sense only if there wasnt already a perfectly good/popular rating system. There's no reason y DXM should have it's own system, what makes it so damn special from anyother dissociative? "5th plateau" is just DXM's name for the K-Hole like expereince IE floating down tunnels & alien landscapes and whatnot. I been there plenty of times, it's alot of fun but I see absolutely no need for 5 levels. It goes from being a lil high to really high to going into a Hole then blacking out if u overshoot yer mark, that's pretty much it
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It does make sense. The higher the dose is, the more different effects DXM produces. Why does one feel different when the dose is shifted from 3mg/kg to 10mg/kg? At the very low dose there's an activity at PCP2 receptor mostly, effects on sigma-1 and NMDA channel are little. That's called 1st plateau. 2nd plateau means more sigma-1 and NMDA channel blockade with no change at PCP2 site. 3rd plateau means NMDA channel blockade "overpowers" other effects at this stage. And 4th plateau is nothing but a breakdown in connection between neurons meaning less information is carried. There's not such a thing like 5th plateau for a reason. 4th plateau can be compared to K-Hole at high enough dose. Differences in affecting different sites is mostly due to dextromethorphan metobolism and volume of various metabolites rising, mostly dextrorphan which has a higher affinity for NMDA channel and that's not a secret. From light stimulation through dirty euphoria to dissociation. If you get a chance to get some dextrorphan from racemorphan chromatography work (racemorphan is strong enough as an opioid and the eventual dose of dextrorphan taken is too small to take effect but people do get levorphanol from racemate), you'll see it's different than dextromethorphan.
 
I have now had the possibility to try the new batch from this european vendor with this substance as the only substance in stock, with the last time it was around. It has a less distinct smell this time.

I have only had three times with the new batch. First was 70 mg with significant, although mild, effects. Second time I had 106 mg followed by 3 refills with smaller doses (around 60 mg) with about 2 hours in between. At that time I absolutely felt something, but it was never really pleasant.

Most recent try was yesterday. I dosed 150mg followed by 160 mg 2,5 hour later and I was sent off to another planet. Really really really intense for a few hours, and I do not remember much from this.

So, considering these experiences I have to say that either the purity of this batch is much higher than 25 percent, or the purity of the batch(es?) sold last year were also rather low.
 
ety said:
I have now had the possibility to try the new batch from this european vendor with this substance as the only substance in stock, with the last time it was around. It has a less distinct smell this time.

I have only had three times with the new batch. First was 70 mg with significant, although mild, effects. Second time I had 106 mg followed by 3 refills with smaller doses (around 60 mg) with about 2 hours in between. At that time I absolutely felt something, but it was never really pleasant.

Most recent try was yesterday. I dosed 150mg followed by 160 mg 2,5 hour later and I was sent off to another planet. Really really really intense for a few hours, and I do not remember much from this.

So, considering these experiences I have to say that either the purity of this batch is much higher than 25 percent, or the purity of the batch(es?) sold last year were also rather low.
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Yes, and the internetz is full of claims that it should be roughly 70% of the potency of PCP. Makes you wonder. :)

What was your ROA?
 
So. I guess its time to flush down the 25 % claim down the drain. I'm not saying it's not 25 %, im just saying the statement is worth nil to nothing without any backup. Especially when he promised to post the analysis paper and did not, and ppl seem to get the same effect as the old batch..?

Oh well.. I planned to test it tonight, but poor me, a bag of ketamine came in the way of that plan. :)
 
What about the vendor? He said he was getting it analysed, but I heard nothing after that.

My experience is also that it is active in sub 100mg doses. I am probably having an anal trial with the compound this weekend. I will go for a 100mg plugged.

I also have it from the dane.

Does anyone have contact with the guy that claimed he had testresultpapers? I am really anxious about getting some more info, as I hate to gamble with my health (well... at least gamble more than necessery), and yet my willprower is a little bitch that gets overpowered by the gambler. As we say in danish "lad skylden komme narkoen til gode"... it means "when in doubt, be naive"... more or less.

Hope to hear some update soon:)

Edit: Doesn't all the "70% of pcp's potency"-claims spring out from the same source? I have only read one text where it is mentioned, and everybody are just refering to this, or not stating any sources. Has there been a batch out which was that potent? It is question begging to assume that this batch is impure on the basis of some abstract theory.
 
^I keep checking that vendor's site hoping he'll update with the lab results but so far he hasn't posted anything. He put the initial update about sending it to a lab for tests on May 4th but I have no idea how long it takes to receive tests results from a lab.
 
Are you really talking about the same vendor? "The Dane" told me that he is just waiting for proof from the guy who claimed it, not that he sent it for analysis.
 
Ok, sorry.

I plugged (first time!) 120 mg 2 hrs ago. The effects are weak, but nice. Weak for being an dissociative, that is. ;) I wouldn't drive a car or something like that in this condition, no no. I noticed it coming by a fairly strong mood lift. It's not that similar to ketamine, its much much more clearheaded. At least at this level. It must have some serotonergic action judging by how the music sounds.

In short: Me like.

Think i'll go for 2-3x the dose next time.

I'll boost my current state with some ket now. :)
 
incognition said:
Ok, sorry.

I plugged (first time!) 120 mg 2 hrs ago. The effects are weak, but nice. Weak for being an dissociative, that is. ;) I wouldn't drive a car or something like that in this condition, no no. I noticed it coming by a fairly strong mood lift. It's not that similar to ketamine, its much much more clearheaded. At least at this level. It must have some serotonergic action judging by how the music sounds.

In short: Me like.

Think i'll go for 2-3x the dose next time.

I'll boost my current state with some ket now. :)
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Do you plug ketamine? Via IM Injection this stuff is pretty similar to K, excpet there is not really a hole you fall into, I think it's more euphoric than K and lasts alot longer plus a smaller dosage is needed to obtain similar levels of effects. Bummer the stuff is terrible to snort for all you who don't use the needle.
 
guerillabedlam said:
Do you plug ketamine? Via IM Injection this stuff is pretty similar to K, excpet there is not really a hole you fall into, I think it's more euphoric than K and lasts alot longer plus a smaller dosage is needed to obtain similar levels of effects. Bummer the stuff is terrible to snort for all you who don't use the needle.
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No, i havent plugged ket (yet), this was my first experience of this ROA. :)

The dose was low and my first trial, so i cant tell really much, but it did not resemble low doses of ket in my experience, i felt the sedation wasn't there at all, it did not feel "complete" in comparison with k.

As i said in the previous post, i complemented with ketamine after while, but i felt that the 4-meo ruined the ketamine for me, which i did not expect at all.But ketamine is 100 % perfect, so i guess maybe it's the only possible outcome. :)

No hole? Thats disappointing. 8o
 
Been having issues getting ahold of the guy I had do my lab tests, but I trust his word, and he claims the results were 25% 5-Meo-PCP and 75% B-vitamin complex, and no toxic compounds. But until I have a copy of the papers myself I won't know for sure. It does seem safe to consumes, though. No one has reported any toxic side effects, either, right? Fairly confident that it is 4-Meo-PCP cut with B-vitamins. But I've been in contact with the vendor, and he claims its his vendors fault. I don't know who to believe just thought bluelight should know what I know, as this could've been a possible health concern, but I believe it's safe to ingest. You'll just need 4x a normal dose, which is unfortunate.
 
Good lord, i hope it's not the vitamin that makes it unsnortable. If so, i lost my "external objects in asshole"-virginity for nothing. 8)
 
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