The Big & Dandy 4-MeO-PCP Thread

[eclipsedesign]

Going to get some of this in the near future. TR soon.

 

[guerillabedlam]

No, i havent plugged ket (yet), this was my first experience of this ROA.

The dose was low and my first trial, so i cant tell really much, but it did not resemble low doses of ket in my experience, i felt the sedation wasn't there at all, it did not feel "complete" in comparison with k.

As i said in the previous post, i complemented with ketamine after while, but i felt that the 4-meo ruined the ketamine for me, which i did not expect at all.But ketamine is 100 % perfect, so i guess maybe it's the only possible outcome.

No hole? Thats disappointing.

I'm not a huge fan of dissassociatives anyways but I was glad there was no hole. I abused ketamine pretty good for a few months so the novelty of a k hole kind of wore off to me. I liked the fact with 4 meo pcp i can still be pretty disassociated but can tie my shoes and locate my dick if I wanted to.

 

[fryingsquirrel]

Anyone Know if this will show up on a UA?

 

[incognition]

I'm not a huge fan of dissassociatives anyways but I was glad there was no hole. I abused ketamine pretty good for a few months so the novelty of a k hole kind of wore off to me. I liked the fact with 4 meo pcp i can still be pretty disassociated but can tie my shoes and locate my dick if I wanted to.

Just don't cut it off..

 

[hugo24]

- While 3-MeO-PCP is 70% of PCP's potency, the Rhodium file described 4-MeO and completely left out its 3-MeO Mother. Though in Another paper on Erowid 3-MeO-PCP is mentioned as very similar to PCP. I can't know if Rhodium somehow screwed (embarrassingly!) 3-MeO with 4-MeO, who knows, at least it would make sense. The 4-MeO is known with in vivo/in vitro data and its indeed way down in potency...

-anyone who is ingesting a 25% "pure" PCP analog is an idiot, particularly when knowing the compound itself is of very low activity requiring massive loads. The by far most probable impurity is the nitrile precursor which is quite toxic (and take into account a chronic nitrile intoxication, most don't know it but a friend suffered through one and never fully recovered, meaning she still has a wrecked metabolism and weighs only 40kilos without being able to gain).

PCP's and its tert. amine derivatives usually have some nitrile left (1-5%) which isn't a problem. But its hard to detect. At least it appears unstable and degrades in solution, that could be a positive (assuming the formed amide is not toxic).

 

[fryingsquirrel]

Anyone Know if this will show up on a UA?

Yes, I know, no UA questions, on the ground that every possible question had been answered. That assumption is incorrect given the flood of new research chemicals.

 

[Shambles]

^ It's up to the individual forums to decide whether to allow these questions, as far as I know. We usually allow them in PD. Having said that, I have no idea if it would show up or not.

 

[incognition]

- While 3-MeO-PCP is 70% of PCP's potency, the Rhodium file described 4-MeO and completely left out its 3-MeO Mother. Though in Another paper on Erowid 3-MeO-PCP is mentioned as very similar to PCP. I can't know if Rhodium somehow screwed (embarrassingly!) 3-MeO with 4-MeO, who knows, at least it would make sense. The 4-MeO is known with in vivo/in vitro data and its indeed way down in potency...

-anyone who is ingesting a 25% "pure" PCP analog is an idiot, particularly when knowing the compound itself is of very low activity requiring massive loads. The by far most probable impurity is the nitrile precursor which is quite toxic (and take into account a chronic nitrile intoxication, most don't know it but a friend suffered through one and never fully recovered, meaning she still has a wrecked metabolism and weighs only 40kilos without being able to gain).

PCP's and its tert. amine derivatives usually have some nitrile left (1-5%) which isn't a problem. But its hard to detect. At least it appears unstable and degrades in solution, that could be a positive (assuming the formed amide is not toxic).

I would say anyone ingesting any chemical, let it be RC's or illegal street drugs, without doing an analysis by yourself is an idiot. Yes, we are all idiots by some definition, but at least we have fun.

If someone claimed it to be 100 % without any backup, what would have been the difference? None.

Initially we had one person claiming it to be 25%, mumbling about potential health hazards, and disappears. After a couple of weeks, he/she back, now claiming the the impurities to be vitamins, even though he/she haven't been able to get in touch with the person who did the analysis?

Maybe i'll give rhodium a call to ask about this 70% potency thing.

 

[Delsyd]

Initially we had one person claiming it to be 25%, mumbling about potential health hazards, and disappears. After a couple of weeks, he/she back, now claiming the the impurities to be vitamins, even though he/she haven't been able to get in touch with the person who did the analysis?

yep, i think its safe to say that we have no idea if its 25% pure or not.
It could be what the vendor claims or what the poster here claims, but without any proof we dont know.

The vitamin cut does sound fishy

 

[naginnudej]

If someone can point me in the direction of a lab that will legally test my sample I'd be more than willing to send it off...

 

[Delsyd]

^im trying to find the same thing with no luck so far

 

[muie]

I've had Ketamine a few times (never K-holed), maybe 12 times or so (each time snorted) alone as well in combination with either alcohol (bad combo), weed, nitrous (best combo) and while coming down from MDMA/MDA and/or coca.

DXM I've had a bunch of times alone and in combination with alcohol (bad combo, not as bad as with ketamine though), weed, and opiates (good combo).

I can tell you there is a huge difference between Ketamine and DXM. Even on a 3rd plateau dose of DXM I could walk around like normal (relatively normal). On even 30mg of ketamine (most likely cut stuff) snorted I cannot walk properly.

DXM is much more euphoric than K.....2nd plateau dxm feels like alcohol mixed with MDMA while recreational doses of K mellow you out and seem to glue you to the couch.

Anyways.....I always wanted to try PCP so Im interested in this compound.



Can you walk around fine on 4-MeO-PCP?

How do recreational doses compare in effects and in quantity? (equivalent to those of doses below a k-hole and/or 1st-2nd plateau DXM)

 

[Coolio]

Even on a 3rd plateau dose of DXM I could walk around like normal (relatively normal). )

Then you haven't reached 3rd plateau. 3rd plateau is where you start having out of body experiences. It's like the k-hole.

 

[pharmakos]

b vitamins have a pretty distinctive smell. someone with a sample of the impure stuff should do a comparison.

 

[guerillabedlam]

Can you walk around fine on 4-MeO-PCP?

How do recreational doses compare in effects and in quantity? (equivalent to those of doses below a k-hole and/or 1st-2nd plateau DXM)

I was able to walk around fairly easily on all routes of administration with 4-meo-pcp. Plugging it gave me a mild like dxm high (250-300 mgs) but it was my first time sticking anything up my butt so I don't know if my form was the best.

Im injection was far more intense and quite similar to ketamine. I would say it's more euphoric than Ketamine but nowhere near as visual. The cognitive changes were pretty significant and strange. I felt like I had multiple voices in my head at once on one trip. Walking was like walking drunk, certainly took some concentration but nothing like trying to walk or move in a k hole.

I don't know if there are different batches floating around or what but it's hard for me to imagine the stuff I had was only 25% pure, I did between 60-100 mgs (guessing somewhere right in the middle) and it felt comparable to about 120 mgs of Ketamine im injected to me without any sort of hole though. I basically only did it in my room and didn't venture outside or anything, I would be wary of taking this outside of like being with a few close friends. The following day gave me a 'hangover' similar to ketamine, where I felt I had about 3 shots the whole Day, so if you have work or something that requires good balance and alot of walking take that into consideration if you go the im route.

 

[yog]

b vitamins have a pretty distinctive smell. someone with a sample of the impure stuff should do a comparison.

I don't know what b vitamin smells like but my baggie smell like solvent and brain damage

 

[Coolio]

The following day gave me a 'hangover' similar to ketamine, where I felt I had about 3 shots the whole Day, so if you have work or something that requires good balance and alot of walking take that into consideration if you go the im route.

You get a hangover from ketamine? When the effects wear off for me, I feel completely refreshed and normal, unlike DXM or 4-MeO-PCP.

 

[hugo24]

Vitamins explaining the low purity? Vitamins are healthy, haha, nice try but I smell a rat.

 

[B9]

How does 4meo compare to 3meo if we assume 3meo to be a passable drug with recreational potential

 

[Zardokk]

As soon as I get a hold of the papers, like I said, I will post results. But I've more or less given up on the guy, as every time I mention it to him he simply says he'll get the papers to me soon, but nothing more is ever mentioned. But he swears up and down the results of his test were around 25% 4-Meo-PCP and around 75% of some sort of B-vitamin complex, and probably a few trace impurities, I dunno, I haven't seen the paper. I still have some of the material in question and may take it to another source for testing if I don't get results soon.

But I spoke with the well-known vendor of this compound, who took it off his site without warning, and he said he believed that this recent batch, as well as past batches he's sold dating back several months/years have all been cut. According to him, if this 25% purity accusation is correct, virtually the entire RC scene has been consuming 25% purity 4-Meo-PCP for quite some time, and the documentation available on dosage and such could be WAY off. Perhaps this helps to explain the huge difference between reported dosages?

I'll keep this thread updated as soon as I know more, but please don't resort to name calling. I was just trying to warn of a potential public health hazard. I realize that without the lab papers my words mean little, but I simply haven't been able to get the papers from the guy who did the work, and I don't know where else to send the compound to have it tested.