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The Big & Dandy 4-MeO-PCP Thread

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Man, that is disappointing if true. I wonder if the supplier problems this vendor had (assuming we are all talking about the same vendor) would have anything to do with this.
 
Zardokk said:
A total of 5 friends tested doses of around 200mg each via various ROAs and not a single person got any effect. One friend took at least 300mg and still felt nothing. My rats, who have 0 dissociative tolerance whatsoever, personally sampled the substance at 110mg orally and felt no effects. The vendor is acting as if there is no problem, I'm waiting on the paperwork to clear this all up.
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That's strange...50 mg orally (to test the waters) from the same vendor, purchased recently, gave me a mild but very real effect. Will report back when I've pushed the dosage higher...
 
Just had a second go with this substance in search of a p-hole at 320mgs and found it and only had mild CEV's. I'm finding this stuff feels like a stronger version of dxm. Walking was difficult but not impossible. I added 12mgs of 4-aco-dmt but found it only added color and definition the the CEV's and made them into OEV's. I never experienced anything too eye opening or thought provoking. Again it was nothing close to the k-hole.

Bad quality product would make sense when compare my experiences to those that experienced some older batches.
 
I was going to get a sample of this, after Shambles' great accounts of combinations of the 3-meo version with other serotonergics. Now I'm not so sure - but then I can't be sure we're talking about the same vendor.
 
3-MeO-PCP and 4-MeO-PCP are completely different in their effects in just about every way from what I've read. Have not tried 4-MeO-PCP myself to say for sure though as it really doesn't sound all that interesting for the price, to be honest.
 
well even if its only 25% purity that should still produce effects at 100-200mg. lets hope the other 75% isn't PCC! (don't worry if that were the case many people would have already died (but that does not mean it isn't still present in small amounts))

it should have been a red flag to everyone that the doses are so high. before this particular vendor began to supply it 4-MeO-PCP was reported as being 70% the potency of PCP or from beagle:

I've made many cyclidines but this compound [4-MeO-PCP] turned out to bee the most potent of them all, after PCP - and at the same time, the easiest to make.
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im amazed nobody has analyzed it yet as it has been in and out of the market for about three years now.
 
Sorry guys, it's gonna be tomorrow before you get any test results. I'm not sure what all tests were run as I didn't do it myself, but I'm going to soon find out.
 
I randomly found a small vendor who has this and almost immeadiatly took it off because of questionable purity. I figure that they got it from the euro vendor and on the site they updated saying the lab is finishing testing and its believed the purity is only 25%.
 
I randomly found a small vendor who has this and almost immeadiatly took it off because of questionable purity. I figure that they got it from the euro vendor and on the site they updated saying the lab is finishing testing and its believed the purity is only 25%.
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There's an IM 4-MeO-PCP report in TR that states the solution prepared for injection had a gasoline rainbow type effect on the surface. From the estimated dose they reported theirs had to be more pure than 25 percent, but it does make you wonder about these more recent batches...
 
Cloudy said:
I never understood the purpose of the plateau system for DXM. The shulgin scale is more than good enough to describe the experience of dissociatives as well as psychedelics. I don't find DXM or other dissociatives to have distinct levels of highs anymore than LSD or mushrooms.
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so you question the findings of william white as a whole? I don't have much experience with DXM myself, but to me the theory of DXM acting on different receptor systems in different intensity depending on dosage sounds perfectly reasonable.
 
^As I recall White said that the real qualitative distinction was between the 2nd and 3rd plateaus, with the 1st and 2nd, and 3rd and fourth being on a relative continuum. To me this sounds analogous to a "breakthrough" DMT dose in some respects. In both cases there is a theoretical threshold being crossed that switches on, or off, some until then unresponsive signaling pathways. In this case, DXM has something similar to ketamine's "k-holes". I suppose you could call the 3rd and 4th plateaus little D-hole and big D-hole if you wanted to.
 
the "plateaus" is retarded, it would make sense only if there wasnt already a perfectly good/popular rating system. There's no reason y DXM should have it's own system, what makes it so damn special from anyother dissociative? "5th plateau" is just DXM's name for the K-Hole like expereince IE floating down tunnels & alien landscapes and whatnot. I been there plenty of times, it's alot of fun but I see absolutely no need for 5 levels. It goes from being a lil high to really high to going into a Hole then blacking out if u overshoot yer mark, that's pretty much it
 
BTW... Can anyone tell me what the half life of these meoPCP analogs are, does 4meo's short duration also mean it would be out of my system alot quicker? I cant have it in my urine and I know it shows up on a drug screen and PCP stays in my system for atleast 30 days, it's completely unlike anyother drug in that sense, it just doesn't wanna leave no matter what, i'm hoping it's methoxylated counterparts are different but I suspect not, anyone know????
 
Any news about the batch?

I talked with the vendor, who sold to one of the persons who stated that the batch is impure, and the vendor is awaiting the documentproof.

He says that he had recieved a document, stating it was 98% pure from the vendor he bought from.

I have personally tested a dose on 45-50mg, with 30cl 5%pr.vol cider, and I got a pronounced effect, resembling a large dose of alcohole, minus the mental slowdown. Very much like K, but my extremities weren't as numb. I walked like if I had taken dxm (robowalking). Also, the room was spinning a bit, and I had beginning nasea. At one time, my body felt like if I had taken methylone, but without stimulation of course. Next day I was a bit stupid.

Mine was from the same vendor.

Any news about the purity or contamination?
 
dude the news on the purity is really disappointing. i was looking forward to tasting this one. i hope its a mistake. please keep us updated.
 
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the "plateaus" is retarded, it would make sense only if there wasnt already a perfectly good/popular rating system. There's no reason y DXM should have it's own system, what makes it so damn special from anyother dissociative? "5th plateau" is just DXM's name for the K-Hole like expereince IE floating down tunnels & alien landscapes and whatnot. I been there plenty of times, it's alot of fun but I see absolutely no need for 5 levels. It goes from being a lil high to really high to going into a Hole then blacking out if u overshoot yer mark, that's pretty much it
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there are only 4 plateaus. and there is a perfectly well reason why DXM should have its own system; I've given it in my post above.
 
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