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The 3-FMC/4-FMC (Flephedrone) Megathread

Sentience, if by safer you mean more likely to pass through Customs, then bath salts. If you mean safer as in less likely to be adulterated/toxic, then of course the purest compound available is the safest.

The Kid has true blue testimony though, all I can say is that U.S. Customs can't catch everything, but they're intuitively more likely to catch a clear plastic baggie with drugs in it than a more discreet package.
 
Can you imagine how much resources would be needed to check every single piece of mail going into or out of a particular country!?!

RC's take up so little space in an envelope. A gram of powder could easilly be hidden in a normal letter to a friend!
 
You live in the UK. Perhaps you dont appreciate exactly how much of a police state we have become with the patriot act and 9-11.

I have had the Department of Homeland Security seize my packages....and do you know what was in there? Jewelry. Hand carved body jewelry made in Bali or Thailand. Stuff for gauged ears....really cool stuff. Plugs, pinchers, dragons, wings, mother of pearl, bone, born, tigers eye, amethyst....Anyway, legitimate stuff. They seized it and it took months to get it back. I was also put on one of those watch lists because I was arrested at a protest a few times. The FBI illegally booked us after unlawfully arresting us. Im sure that doesnt really take us off their lists though.

The situation in the US is very different. Its not like Europe where driving to another country is like crossing state lines.
 
Can you imagine how much resources would be needed to check every single piece of mail going into or out of a particular country!?!

RC's take up so little space in an envelope. A gram of powder could easilly be hidden in a normal letter to a friend!

Of course, but they also get seized fairly often when imported from out of country (US).
 
What did you think of it? I found it to be pretty darn good if I don't try to compare it mephedrone. I combined it with 100mg's of MDAI and it made it infinitely better :)

I like this stuff, nothing like meph but its a very clean and nice high, it isnt the first time i take it, its definatly one i'm gonna do more, ive yet to try it with MDAI tough but i'm guessing the combo is going to be nice.:)
 
I read somewhere this could be vaped, and I just love taking hit by hit of smokable stimulants. But I believe youd require quite a lot of material to feel anything unlike MDPV, which only needs you to take dot amounts. Making me doubt... Intresting though, I'd like to hear more about the given experience from this form of ingestion.

But it's kinda weird when most cathinones being smokable is unheard of.

And holy fuck is it gawesome to mix with opiates. Opiate first, wait until you come halfways of the peak then up with a small dose 4-FMC up da nose, like 70mg. Then bang, euphloria garden. Speedballs are great great great, maybe not so great to the body. Whateva, I'm immortal, right? ;D Taking it easy with the dosings.
 
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I will give my opinion on 4-FMC. It's a half decent buzz and better than alot of the other RC's I've tried like 4-MMC/Feph and MDPV. However doubt I'll buy more. Both Fleph and Meph are pretty savage to sniff and Meph is ok when bombed but gets boaring after a while. They're both decent highs and I enjoy both and would do both again. They aren't really worth going out of your way for if you have time to plan tho. And there far more interesting drugs around and for the moeny I preffers my MDMA, 2-CB, weed or speed etc. :)
 
Hi all,

I was lurking for a long time, but since there is so little info on this drug, I will put in my two cents. I will not use the term fleph since people have been using the name interchangeably for 3-FMC and 4-FMC.

I am talking here about 3-FMC (the pure chemical). I also reference Charge+ (which is also supposedly 3-FMC).

I am now an occaisional drug user with a long history of experience. I will say that in college it was more than occaisional. I will put it that way. I never tried any RC or the like until about 2 months ago when I ordered Charge+ from an irish head store. I did not expect it to do much, but I thought it would become illegal soon in the US (it was just made illegal in the UK) so I ordered some.

I researched it as I awaited its arrival and found the consensus was that it is 3-FMC. I will confirm this, in my opinion, it is 3-FMC. I have done many drugs and the taste, texture, and the effects all lead me to conclude that Charge+ is 3-FMC.

So I hunted for pure 3-FMC, the price of Charge+ from Ireland was 32 euros (the price of the euro has fallen a ton since then but at the time it was about $50, now it's $40) for 1g.

Effects and Dosage:

I love it. The come down is nearly non-existant, however the stuff is definitely short term addictive similarly to cocaine. "Moreish" is how I've heard it described, although we don't use that term over here (NY), I'd say it's accurate. If you have the stuff, you are going to want to do more.

The dosage however is very very low. You can do just a small bump (50mg) and feel good. You wouldn't need to do more (nor have I done more) than 0.2 g at once. When you do it, you feel kind of coked up, but a little more of a body high, and very talkative. It doesn't give you the pure addrenaline confidence or the teeth clench I've found, but it does give you the upper feeling and lasts a little longer. I enjoy it greatly for bumping through the night.

I usually drink with it, though it's not as crucial as it feels to drink as it is with coke (it doesn't need to be tempered as much).

Negative effects:

slightly lowered appetite (not as bad as cocaine), sleeplessness (not as bad as cocaine, though I always drink with it so it's not that big a deal). If you do charge+ it's very hard to sleep because of all the caffeine, but it's much easier with the pure chem.

circulation issues: I am a healthy 26 year old male, so I don't normally have circulation issues. If you do, I would be careful. I'm not sure if it's just the extremities but thats where I notice it. Slight tingling after a night of use and sometimes the next day. I went to the gym in the morning and it was hard to lift because of the low blood supply. It is not bad enough to deter me from taking the drug, as a little stretching goes a long way.

The next day, I feel out of it and tingly. I usually drink hard with the drug, so this definitely has something to do with it, but you will feel weird. I have not experimented extensively so I am not sure if this goes away or whether you get used to it.

Conclusion:

All in all it's a great experience, at about half the price of coke and twice the number of doses per weight (vs. the average street stuff purchased in balls here).

If you have any questions, I'd be glad to answer. I was surprised that we truly are the trailblazers for this type of substance, and there is barely even anything on erowid. I'd love to hear your educated takes and anything you found to combat the negative effects or if you have any medical info.

Disclaimer: This is illegal to use as a drug in the US under analog laws, legal only to posses if not for human consumption (I have read that it's hard for them to charge you under these laws because they are so vague, but I wouldn't be showing the cops your stash). It is illegal to posses in the UK for any purposes. I don't speak for the safety of the drug. I am not a doctor nor was I medically monitored. All effects are by my feelings and sensations.

I will name the sites I ordered from if allowed (am I allowed?).

Hope this helps people, I tried to be as detailed and concise as possible.

-Jack
 
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Welcome to BL Jack, unfortunately you're not allowed to name the sites, please read the EADD Guidelines found in my signature, I'm also going to edit your post as Bluelight is here to help people discuss the effects of the drugs and how to use them safely and not to chronicle you're purchasing experience, i.e. which country you bought them from, how long it took to arrive, bulk prices etc :)
 
I got 5 grams of 4-FMC about a month ago, ended up polishing it off in about a week, it's very mellow, quite a subtle effect even at high doses, it does get slightly more intense when snorted but not too much.

The good thing is that it was also very easy on the body, no visible pupil dilation, only slight increase in heart rate, no appetite loss, no trouble sleeping, nothing, it was so subtle that I even thought my powder was heavily cut, but then I read other reports and they match my experience.

I mixed it with DPT and it did enhance my trip, especially when coming down.
 
so charge+ being sold online in the uk now would most likely not contain flephedrone unlike the pre-ban variety???
 
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