Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[Ashley26]

I meant my daily dose. Predictive text on my phone!

 

[daddysgone]

So I have had 12mg total today to feel no withdrawal. On day 2. Do you think that will be my fault dose?

I was hoping it wouldn't be so high

Hard to say.
But in the beginning its very common to start at a higher dose and stay there for a few weeks to ensure you experience no discomfort or WD, and then after a few weeks you can try moving down to find a lower dose to stabilize at.

Its a good sign u aren't having any WD. If u havent felt any yet, u probably wont feel any. Mental cravings might appear, but its unlikely you will feel sick.
Congrats!-DG

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I have a question that I can't find a straight answer too (though it is possible I missed it, I've read a lot on the web though..) is it true that when you I.V. subs that the bupe stays in your system for shorter periods of time, (meaning that if you've lowered yourself down to say, 2 mg, and you I.V. it, that in the next 24 hours you can bang a bag of dope and feel it?) I know questions about I.V'ing bupe seem to piss people off, and I know the dangers and that it's not worth it to get high, but being the junky that I am, I just have to know.

You can do dope whenever you want to on buprenorphine. You have to wait longer if you use it sublingually because the effects are longer, that is, if you just want to feel the H high and not have any possibility of the high not being as great due to buprenorphine.

I would suggest to avoid buprenorphine or save H for the next day. You could still do the H, you might just not get great effects from it.

PS, if you do IV buprenorphine, stick to 1mg or less. 2mg is way too much when IVing.

I'm having the popposite problem, I'm going more than I want haha

Full agonist opiates (and to a smaller degree partial agonist opiates too) retain water in your system; after a few hours, or maybe days, it should pass.

If you are feeling kind of buzzed on 4mg's, that's normal.

If it isn't what you want to feel, try 2mg intervals throughout the day.

So I've been thinking about something regarding buprenorphine and I can't figure it out. I'm considerably smarter then most of you so it's doubtful any of you may be able to help, but its worth a try

So it is often said that if you shoot or snort your bupe, it will have a shorter duration then if taken sublingually. I just don't understand why this would be the case.

Lets look at just snorting vs. sublingual for a second. When you snort, the bupe passes through the mucous membrane of your nasal cavity and enters your bloodstream. When you take it sublingually, it passes through the mucous membrane of your mouth and enters your bloodstream. Either way first pass metabolism is bypassed and I dont see why the duration should be effected. There might be slightly faster onset via snorting, but the duration should be the same.

The same goes for shooting. The only difference is instead of passing through mucous membrane, it goes directly into your bloodstream. However, again first pass metabolism is bypassed so I dont understand why duration should be effected. The onset will certainly be quicker, but why duration?

When a drug is taken ORALLY (as in swallowed) I understand how duration can be affected since it first goes into your stomach and goes through first pass metabolism. But with bupe you dont take it orally, you take it sublingually, and it seems to me that no matter which of the 3 ways you take it (sublingual, snort, shoot), the bupe is essentially going straight into your bloodstream....so why should it matter how it got there-duration should be about the same.-DG

Well, the sublingual absorption takes longer to start effecting you, and it takes your body longer since it isn't instantaneously getting the dose all at once.

When IVing, you get the dose rather quickly, all at once; so the metabolization is more efficient.

 

[Falcon0r]

Question about quitting suboxone - what are the withdrawals like? I've been dosing an average of 2 mg a day for a couple months now. I plan on quitting in about 3 weeks when all my classes are over. What kind of withdrawals am I going to be looking at?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Question about quitting suboxone - what are the withdrawals like? I've been dosing an average of 2 mg a day for a couple months now. I plan on quitting in about 3 weeks when all my classes are over. What kind of withdrawals am I going to be looking at?

Not sure, I had a heroin dependency before I got on Suboxone. Our experiences may be different due to this.

I would at least taper down to 1mg, then 0.5mg, then 0.25mg after school ends within a week or two before jumping off completely.

 

[thebay420]

Suboxone and alcohol

Hey I know alcohol and Suboxone together is not a recommended together, however, I was wondering if anyone has any experience with this?

I drank a few beers and I wanna know if I can have a few more.


Also in the spirit of harm reduction, what are the negative effects of mixing the two? I haven't seen this topic covered in this forum and i'm sure i'm not this first with this question. I apologize if this has been covered I did not see it.

Thanks

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Hey I know alcohol and Suboxone together is not a recommended together, however, I was wondering if anyone has any experience with this?

I drank a few beers and I wanna know if I can have a few more.


Also in the spirit of harm reduction, what are the negative effects of mixing the two? I haven't seen this topic covered in this forum and i'm sure i'm not this first with this question. I apologize if this has been covered I did not see it.

Thanks

I just don't like the combination. I think you're more likely to have a shitty hangover too but I haven't had more than one drink at a time since starting Suboxone, and I really never drink now adays, I don't really like it at all.

Just drink slowly and you should be fine if you don't drink way too much.

 

[thebay420]

I just don't like the combination. I think you're more likely to have a shitty hangover too but I haven't had more than one drink at a time since starting Suboxone, and I really never drink now adays, I don't really like it at all.

Just drink slowly and you should be fine if you don't drink way too much.

Thanks Captain, your input on this forum is always appreciated I'm not planning on drinking more than four beers anyway. Im going to try and avoid any hangover by drink plenty of water before bed.

 

[morphinanymous]

Subboozing

You can drink on subs, but just like other "downers/faders" overconsumption of both together can lead to respiratory failure, however I imagine you already know this.

I booze on my subs all the time, just like I would regularly. Bupe , is in my small Southern town, one of the primarily abused "opiates" due to the fact that heroin in absolutely not available to purchase in G-hood, SC and the scene is would be --- Roxy 30, Bupe, and Norcos/Perc 10's and well MS Contin and I am one of the maybe 25-30 people if that in my entire community who IV opiates recreationally/medically. I travel and stay on tour alot, so I usually keep 60's (I prefer the over 80's), Fet patches, Dilaudid, Opana IR's and dope, on my at all times along with my subs for hangovers or my back pain ( All of the Opiates I just listed SHOULD be TAKEN WITH PRECAUTION BY SOMEONE WHO IS UNSURE ABOUT THEIR DOSE/TOLERANCE.

My drinking or consumption of non opiate substances really hasn't changed at all. Some people claim that the naloxone in the subs make you not want to drink, which I find to be completely bullshit. The only scenario with which hat would apply to me is after I've just taken one of those nasty fuckers orally. I IV them now which has no effect on the taste of food or drink after dosing to me anymore.

Just be careful, I think you'd definitely get that Bupe nausea mixing it with alcohol if it were going to harm you long before it actually did. If you're trying to potentiate the bupe with alcohol(drinking) i would not recommend it as there are other routes of potentiation that make you feel better and would be more enjoi able i.m.o and successful.

I will admit the only time I have ever thrown up on Suboxone is chasing it down with a hot Sierra Nevada (a brand of beer in the states) on an empty stomach with the taste of molly, dmster smoke, and a brutal hangover the last day of a music festival last summer but I was taking 32mg orally then and that just blows anyways and had no hangover cures.

Sorry, about the long response but I've never weighed in with an opinion about Subs and Booze. If you've already had a few and feel fine keep going, if you start feeling any type of typical alcohol + downer/fader, reaction quit boozing. Smoke a bowl, eat some pizza and go to sleep.

I know you can't die or I guess they specify OD on suboxone, but has anyone EVER died mixing it with alcohol( drinking )Ever? I just realized I've never even heard of it happening but I would like to know if anyone has ever died due to too alcohol and bupe(partiucularly subxone+alcohol mixture? I doubt it. Pace yourself.

 

[morphinanymous]

again Cap'n H says what I try to explain before me and with two sentences. I'm dying for attention and bluelights my only outlet. wtf!!!! omgosh! jk.

 

[thebay420]

A hot Sierra Nevada? Why hot? Im from cali and im drinking that shit right now. Its one of my favs

 

[Fresco]

So I have had 12mg total today to feel no withdrawal. On day 2. Do you think that will be my fault dose?

I was hoping it wouldn't be so high

Thats normal from what I hear.
Even dr. Drew on Sober House said Bupe can be slightly addictive because it does produce a high.

But AFA harm reduction is concerned Bupe is a much, much better alternative to methadone or any other drug

 

[rolls_]

if taking opiates on subox causes them to just be blocked but the subox works, why do you have to wait so long to get onto sub? if you go into precipitated WD's, wouldn't your next dose work since the sub already kicked out the other opiate?

I dont think the sub kicks out the other opiate, it just takes over. Think it of it like this.

You have a house and heroin is living in it. Suboxone then moves in and takes over everything leaving heroin to live in the closet, then subxone leaves.

The likely case is that heroin will leave before suboxone leaves, but this is just due to heroin having a shorter half life, not because suboxone beat it for affinity over the receptor.

what's the cencus on having a few drinks while in Bupe? I have a wedding to go to this weekend and would like to have a drink or 2, but not sure it's safe.

No issue what so ever if you are on suboxone maintenance and are use to it. If you are using it recreationally then the same goes for taking alcohol with any other opiate, there are loads of topics on this issue.

 

[Ashley26]

so this morning I took 4mg around 8:30am and felt a little loopy. an hour later I felt totally normal, minus some sweats, and just now started to feel very minor withdrawal again. So i took 2mg. So thats up to 6mg for the day.....and I have to say I feel quite buzzed. I have a feeling that was too much for today. I don't really like this feeling bupe gives me. It's not high like an opiate, but definitely makes me feel a little buzzed in a weird way.

I'm at hour 67 since any opiates!

 

[Ashley26]

side question, how does Bupe effect your opiate tolerance? If I ever wanted to jump off and use opiates again would I be where I was before in terms of tolerance or would it be higher or lower?

I was using anywhere from 80-120 mg of oxycodone a day.

 

[bignbrown]

hi, if a non opiate tolerant person uses a dose how long do the actual effects last for from a single dose? I usually dose 1mg and get good effects, this morning i think i underdosed (well i did as i was planning on doing a few lines of meph, may 0.8mg at the most), ive hit a few benzos and want to hit more before a few more lines of mephedrone then go to bed, its been 12 hours now since the bupe dose, its barely been a background buzz, should the main effects (mainly cns depression) of worn off yet?

cheers/

 

[PhilaPunK]

today i had surgery, i took 8 mg sub in the morning. they used fentanyl as a anestesia and it knocked me out. my doc gave me 20 perk 10s am i ok taking them tonight since the fent already broke thru the sub?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

again Cap'n H says what I try to explain before me and with two sentences. I'm dying for attention and bluelights my only outlet. wtf!!!! omgosh! jk.

LOL!

Your input was good to add in too! I think you said it well.

so this morning I took 4mg around 8:30am and felt a little loopy. an hour later I felt totally normal, minus some sweats, and just now started to feel very minor withdrawal again. So i took 2mg. So thats up to 6mg for the day.....and I have to say I feel quite buzzed. I have a feeling that was too much for today. I don't really like this feeling bupe gives me. It's not high like an opiate, but definitely makes me feel a little buzzed in a weird way.

I'm at hour 67 since any opiates!

Glad to hear that Ashley! Congratulations on staying clean thus far.

side question, how does Bupe effect your opiate tolerance? If I ever wanted to jump off and use opiates again would I be where I was before in terms of tolerance or would it be higher or lower?

I was using anywhere from 80-120 mg of oxycodone a day.

To summarize it, I think it raises your opiate tolerance temporarily, and then as you get past the first week or two and are still on Suboxone, you will take less of it and still get good effects, when you taper down enough, your opiate tolerance will be lowered significantly.

I wasn't mainly using oxy, but the one time I did oxy after being on Suboxone for a while, 15mg was more than enough for a great recreational high.

So if this means anything, I would urge you to stay on Suboxone for at least 2 to 4 weeks, if you wanted to have another recreational full agonist opiate experience.

If you don't mind having to take 80 to 120mg of oxycodone, you might get high, but it's hard to say - you may have to wait a long time after your last dose, etc.

However, you're doing great so far! Keep up the good work.

hi, if a non opiate tolerant person uses a dose how long do the actual effects last for from a single dose? I usually dose 1mg and get good effects, this morning i think i underdosed (well i did as i was planning on doing a few lines of meph, may 0.8mg at the most), ive hit a few benzos and want to hit more before a few more lines of mephedrone then go to bed, its been 12 hours now since the bupe dose, its barely been a background buzz, should the main effects (mainly cns depression) of worn off yet?

cheers/

24 hours until you're back to where you started IMO. It might be 12 hours for some people, or a lot less or a lot more for very few individuals.

It's hard to say. When taken any other ROA other than sublingual, it is probably going to be less time than that.

today i had surgery, i took 8 mg sub in the morning. they used fentanyl as a anestesia and it knocked me out. my doc gave me 20 perk 10s am i ok taking them tonight since the fent already broke thru the sub?

Yeah! You can always use full agonists while on buprenorphine. When you go back to buprenorphine - that's when you have to wait for opiate WD before you take buprenorphine again.

Hope you enjoyed the fentanyl and percocet, and I hope your surgery went OK!

 

[rolls_]

You should change your name to Captain.Bupe

 

[PhilaPunK]

yea surgery went great thanks. one more question, do u think my tolerance dropped? i took subs for 2 1/2 weeks