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ShAYZoN

ShAYZoN

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Reading people say "Yeah i take Vitamin C during my roll because Vitman c totally makes you roll harder" "I also take 5-htp during my roll because that makes it stronger to"! NO it doesn't.
 
ShAYZoN said:
Reading people say "Yeah i take Vitamin C during my roll because Vitman c totally makes you roll harder" "I also take 5-htp during my roll because that makes it stronger to"! NO it doesn't.
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Well vitamin C is beneficial for its role as an antioxidant, which is important due to the byproducts of dopamine breakdown, but it won't potentiate the roll. Taking 5-HTP while under the effects of a serotonin releasing agent seems like a bad idea, acute serotonin syndrome anyone? It should be taken post-rolling.
 
The Smoking Man said:
Well vitamin C is beneficial for its role as an antioxidant, which is important due to the byproducts of dopamine breakdown, but it won't potentiate the roll. Taking 5-HTP while under the effects of a serotonin releasing agent seems like a bad idea, acute serotonin syndrome anyone? It should be taken post-rolling.
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Exactly and :| c is good really just for immune system strength but obviously there is other attributes to using it before a roll.
 
Placebo is a very powerful thing. ;)

While it may not be physically accurate, its hard to tell people what they did or did not experience when they were the ones to experience it. As long as people aren't trying to convince others that it is absolutely so, based solely on ancedotal evidence, then I'm not necessarily sure I would shut them down automatically. I might suggest that it could be just placebo though.
 
purplefirefly said:
Placebo is a very powerful thing. ;)

While it may not be physically accurate, its hard to tell people what they did or did not experience when they were the ones to experience it. As long as people aren't trying to convince others that it is absolutely so, based solely on ancedotal evidence, then I'm not necessarily sure I would shut them down automatically. I might suggest that it could be just placebo though.
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But I do wonder if the vitamin C countering the oxidative stress allows for a little more clarity of thought? Doubtful it's anything really significant, though.
 
A lot of the rolling experience when you first start is kinda all in your head. If someone gives you something (5-htp, vit c) and tells you you'll roll harder if you take it there is a good chance you might actually roll harder regardless of what you're taking.
 
Care said:
A lot of the rolling experience when you first start is kinda all in your head. If someone gives you something (5-htp, vit c) and tells you you'll roll harder if you take it there is a good chance you might actually roll harder regardless of what you're taking.
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Well E is a very mind based drug.. You can kill it fast or you can make it stronger! I just know that Vit. C would do nothing to make you roll harder.. It just doesn't make logical sense.. Now 5-htp just sounds like a good OL' Sertonin Syndrome! :p
 
ShAYZoN said:
Well E is a very mind based drug.. You can kill it fast or you can make it stronger! I just know that Vit. C would do nothing to make you roll harder.. It just doesn't make logical sense.. Now 5-htp just sounds like a good OL' Sertonin Syndrome! :p
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Less mind based, more body based. Take 10 mg of molly and focus on rolling really hard. It won't happen. Not even with moon rocks.
 
TearItDown said:
Less mind based, more body based. Take 10 mg of molly and focus on rolling really hard. It won't happen. Not even with moon rocks.
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W/e dude.. no one can roll of 10mg i mean if you take 2 bombs and are rolling bawls and think OH shit when will this end i promise you.. YOU WILL come down faster ive had my own exp. with it! But if your at a rave and like SHIT IM ROLLING BAWLS THIS WILL LAST FOREVER i promise you will roll longer! Not placebo just negative thoughts fuck ur roll... MORE then you know!
 
I read an article on Erowid that talked about taking Vitamin C after doing MDMA. It stated that in studies done on rats the Vitamin C helped with Oxidative Stress... So I always take if after I roll in the hopes that I am lessoning potential neurotoxicity. Also, it seemed to lesson the rats tolerance.

I also take 5 htp after I stop peaking, and the couple days following a roll to build up seratonin. I take it after my peak, but while I am still rolling ... it seems to make me roll harder at this point... as if I have blown through a bunch of seratonin so my high is starting to fade, but the 5 htp gives me some more seratonin back and I start peaking again.. this could be placebo ... but hey it works for me!
 
rollinballs85 said:
I read an article on Erowid that talked about taking Vitamin C after doing MDMA. It stated that in studies done on rats the Vitamin C helped with Oxidative Stress... So I always take if after I roll in the hopes that I am lessoning potential neurotoxicity. Also, it seemed to lesson the rats tolerance.

I also take 5 htp after I stop peaking, and the couple days following a roll to build up seratonin. I take it after my peak, but while I am still rolling ... it seems to make me roll harder at this point... as if I have blown through a bunch of seratonin so my high is starting to fade, but the 5 htp gives me some more seratonin back and I start peaking again.. this could be placebo ... but hey it works for me!
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Taking vitamin C anyway is usually a good idea. Most people these days don't put enough time into their day to take care of their body and don't eat fruit as often as they should.

As far as 5 HTP, I've heard so many varying opinions/"facts" about it, I'm in no position to make claims about it. All I can say is I've taken it, and I think it helps.
 
I take 5-HTP after I come down, and the following day. It could be a placebo effect, but I feel better the next day than if I were not to take 5-HTP. I also take a multivitamin (B, B12, C) everyday.
 
K-Dazed said:
I take 5-HTP after I come down, and the following day. It could be a placebo effect, but I feel better the next day than if I were not to take 5-HTP. I also take a multivitamin (B, B12, C) everyday.
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I just take it the next day.. Not after my roll cause i don't want me no S Syndrome.
 
ShAYZoN said:
Reading people say "Yeah i take Vitamin C during my roll because Vitman c totally makes you roll harder" "I also take 5-htp during my roll because that makes it stronger to"! NO it doesn't.
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I honestly have no idea if it does or doesn't because ecstasy is the one drug that whenever i'm rolling, it's my hardest roll (even if it isn't, i just feel so damn good at the time that it is haha) but i do it anyway because well, 1. it makes me feel better, and it honestly helps with the comedown (tried it once with a pill and once with the same pill a couple days later)
 
The Smoking Man said:
But I do wonder if the vitamin C countering the oxidative stress allows for a little more clarity of thought? Doubtful it's anything really significant, though.
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The past few months I've taken vitamin c and sometimes a few other vitamins before thizzing, and I've noticed I do think a fair amount clearer, and i't not a placebo kind of thing. I started pre-loading because I thought it lowered damage apparently more than it actually does, and didn't expect it to change the roll but it does a bit.

It kills most Euphoria. It MIGHT shorten the roll. It gives you a clearer head. It can give you a little more energy than just taking pure mdma would. I was expecting no added feelings and this is what I have noticed, I'm actually going to pre-load less often now because I think it lowers some effects, and instead start taking those same vitamins right as I feel my peak going away, 5-HTP(haven't used it yet) about 8+ hours after rolling or the next morning, and one or two mornings after that.

I agree people who say vitamin C makes the roll better are fucking idiots.
 
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