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Harmful cannabis use on the rise

The only thing more annoying than right wing politicians making marijuana out to be some toxic, deadly drug straight out of hell is self righteous stoners who act like it's a magical cure-all and legalization will bring us into a new golden age of civilization.
 
^^ Semi correct and incorrect dependant on your opinion of the drug.

I take it you live in the USA, by your mention of "Schedule 1" when infact cannabis in australia is a "Schedule 9" substance, according to the drugs and poisons sheets i have read, that directly list delta-9-tetrahydrocannibinol as a prohibited illicit, which is also the same class as MDMA and heroin - as incorrect as this seems, all illegal drugs are lobbed in the same pile here, yet judged differently by the court system (someone arrested for possession or trafficking of pot is going to cop, as a general rule, a lesser sentence than if they were caught selling meth).

Marinol is listed as a Schedule 4 substance here in australia, to my knowledge - i really can't be arsed researching that right now, but from memory it is correct.

enough with the legal banter anyway; Weed smoked in australia is very commonly mixed with tobacco, excuses for this are:
- It makes it burn better
- It makes it last longer
- It makes the high better
- It gives you a rush.
Whilst i agree with none of the above, and when i smoke cannabis, i usually do so without spin - as i also do not smoke tobacco. I find myself compulsed to smoke weed when on drugs like MDMA because i find it sends the trip in a more psychedelic direction, whilst providing me with the direct euphoria that MDMA has, much like candyflipping acid

And as far as medicinally, i've tried smoking pot for analgesia, and found the only way it provides such relief is by rewiring the thought process to have me thinking about things other than the pain, which is still very much there, and just as bad after the drug has worn off - however if i was to take a small dose of say - a widely available drug like codeine and some ibuprofen, these pains would subside within about 20 minutes - And taking this into consideration, we have enough drugs to deal with cancer etc without the need for more to be added - If someone is in enough pain, there are enough levels of escalation to deal with that pain, to the point of anaesthesia if required.
 
Crankinit said:
The only thing more annoying than right wing politicians making marijuana out to be some toxic, deadly drug straight out of hell is self righteous stoners who act like it's a magical cure-all and legalization will bring us into a new golden age of civilization.
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unfortunately I see a lot of this on bluelight but its to be expect and is relatively harmless. however.

If you believe cannabis doesn't result in some serious mental conditions and is cancerous, your just as ignorant and extreme as the anti drug campaigners you hate so much. Regardless if you know people who have done it all there life and appear fine. Are you really willing to take that risk? hey maybe you are and thats your choice but its not right to go around saying weed has none or very minimal negative effects. It misleads others and perpetuates myths just as bad as the ones you see in government media.

Everyone is different and everyone has their own opinions but i believe chronic daily use of cannabis is not something that is ok.
 
The only thing more annoying than right wing politicians making marijuana out to be some toxic, deadly drug straight out of hell is self righteous stoners who act like it's a magical cure-all and legalization will bring us into a new golden age of civilization.
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You cannot seriously believe that. Frankly i'd prefer if there were more of the misguided latter than the former. And I don't see any self-righteous stoners in this thread - just some stoners (god how I hate that term) with a different opinion is all.

And taking this into consideration, we have enough drugs to deal with cancer etc without the need for more to be added - If someone is in enough pain, there are enough levels of escalation to deal with that pain, to the point of anaesthesia if required.
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Sorry - I beg to differ. My mother is battling cancer as we speak, and if pot were more acceptable (by society as much as my father) and possibly better researched I might endeavour to offer her some cannabutter. Not for pain necessarily, but for appetite encouragement as well as treating her depressed state. Frankly, anesthetising to full unconsciousness is hardly a good quality of life.

FFS - some of you must really hate pot. :p
 
Daily use of cannabis can get you a bit "GRRR" if you immediately stop your smoking routine. I usually go through 1-3 week periods of smoking every night and then just stop cold turkey for 2-3 weeks and continue the cycle that way with a little variation now and again.

But if you smoked all day, every day, for years on end. Well I could see some issues coming from immediate withdrawal. Sleeping, low patience levels and sweating are common in immediate withdrawal for myself.

I don't like losing that 'magic' so I make sure I have breaks between use of any drug.

Of course there is going to be an increase in long term cannabis users going to hospital when you've got cannabis use on the rise, how many alcoholics or alcohol abuse related cases end up in hospital? just the same if not more I bet.
 
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I think the initial artical, and Mr Ibis' defence of it are entirely justified. Many of my close friends are Lawyers, Doctors, Psych-nurses etc. and the general consensus amoung them is that the harmful effects of weed, the health effects and problematic behaviour it encourages, are often seriously under-rated (these are not anti-drug people either, several of them are infact experienced drug users).

Habitual weed use can lead to an entire spectrum of physical and mental problems. Mixed with tobacco or not its very bad for your lungs, not only because its usually smoked without a filter, but also because as far it has a higher proportion of tar like substance by wieght than tobacco does anyway.

While weed use might not allways send people psychotic, though it certainly can beyond reasonable dispute, like alcohol abuse it often seems to exacerbate or create personality problems - such as what I like to term "Arsehole Personality Disorder" characterised by selfishness, irritability and the mistaken belief that self-assertion is the same as being generally uncooperative (Note: "Arsehole Personality Disorder" is not a generally accepted medical term).

Also I think it has to be brought to attention that the distinction between physical and psychological dependence often made by weed smokers is somewhat fictional - a bit like the myth promulgated by pill users that pure MDMA isn't toxic (which it is). Psychology itself is just the manifestation of physical chemical occurances in the brain. Even problem gamblers have withdrawls if they aren't permitted to gamble and get the pleasure responce they expect from it - shittyness of mood and depression have a physical chemical basis. Marijuana use causes physical chemical responces in the brain that your body will adjust itself to and come to expect.
 
Knew this article would stir up some issues, and you guys have had some great posts. I love my weed :p But Like MrIbis I've seen the damages that longter daily use can leed to.

I personally am against the legalisation of weed, but I tend to change my mind from time to time, it's something I'm very on the fence again. Do I consider it a lesser drug, yes but I also see it to be the one that is most commonly heavily abused.

But I ask myself, would legalisation leed to more people going down this track? Nearly everyone drinks but there is only a handfull of alcoholics, cigarettes are legal and their is lots of casual smokers aswell as people who choose simply not to smoke.

I don't smoke ciggarettes at all (not even once in my life) But I choose to smoke cannabis regularly (around once or twice a week). If it was legalised it doesn't mean more heaps more people would be come heavy users but it could be used as an oppurtunity to a more informed approach. Especially when it comes to teen smoking.

I see many pro's and con's. And it's definately something that new statistics come in all the time.

Party safe =D
 
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Also I think it has to be brought to attention that the distinction between physical and psychological dependence often made by weed smokers is somewhat fictional - a bit like the myth promulgated by pill users that pure MDMA isn't toxic (which it is). Psychology itself is just the manifestation of physical chemical occurances in the brain. Even problem gamblers have withdrawls if they aren't permitted to gamble and get the pleasure responce they expect from it - shittyness of mood and depression have a physical chemical basis. Marijuana use causes physical chemical responces in the brain that your body will adjust itself to and come to expect.
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This is where i think you're spot on, and probably where i couldn't explain myself so well... you're average pot head is quick to dissmiss the whole 'addiction' ordeal as a cop-out, whilst they suck back their next cone. That APD thing you're talking about also has occured and ruined friendships of mine, even long lasting ones, where i was friends with the person long before they started smoking. It seems many Cannabis users get extremely self-righteous, and believe that other people are wrong because they've seen some kind of 'truth', however fiction it may be. In some of these individuals, the ego-loss of LSD has caused then HPPD and other types of disorders, which are medically recognized - showing a plethora of real personality-altering/boosting issues that come with excessive Cannabis use. I use LSD as an example, as i've only seen this occur in two cases, both times the persons were heavy, self-righteous smokers, and both times, the persons wound up a suicidal, paranoid wreck. I am also well aware this tends to happen among the 'hippy' community (and i use the term hippy loosely), and in this regard use it to refer to those interested in exploring the scope of their minds with mind altering substances - so please, if you consider yourself a hippy, please do not be offended by this post.
 
Everyone that is against seems you pull out the mental health issue. I truly believe (and have seen several studies based over a 10 year period of marijuana consumers) That actually showed that smoking cannabis helped schitophrenia pateints! I know it all sounds rather crazy, as im often todld whenever i try to tell people about the facts of drugs (and other topics such as how the world is actually run) lol..

But honestly it is a wonderful plant for the majority of users. And yes smokers can get a bit grumpy if they don't get a cone..i can vouch for that! The minute i start drinking instead of smoking i just feel kinda angry..then it doesnt sort of take much to make me get cranky haha!

But yeh. ..The smoke damaging your lungs. IT has actually shown to improve lung cancer, it kills cancerous cells and promtoes growth of new cells.

IF YOU VAPE OR EAT YOUR CANNABIS THERE IS LITERALLY NO DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS PHYSICALLY OR MENTAL.

Unless you happen to be pre-disposed. But this i believe to also be somewhat embelished..

Please feel free to rip me to shreds haha.
 
And the other thing!

Smoking with tobacco... Never understood it! It feels like someone is shoving a plastic tube down your throat whenever i hit a bacco bong. Only been a few occasions where the bastards wouldnt make me up a special green bowl..or at least leave some out!!!

But the reasons are pathetic and illogical!

It makes it burn better - Get some decent herb and you wont have that drama
It makes the high better - Bullshit
Rush - No rush (maybe form lack of oxygen?) And ive only heard this reason once.
It lasts longer - Well MAYBE ..but not really..id say your probably still smoking the same amount of pot ..you just need more cones cause of less surfae area in teh cone for weed...riight?
 
Currently there is not enough evidence to say that marijuana causes schizophrenia and there’s not enough to say it doesn’t. But with two out of three young Australians trying marijuana, they do need to understand the risks. Also i think that if people consume it in the right manner and do not abuse, then like most things it should be fine.

Moderation is key.

The adolescent use of cannabis is particularly risky and I would advise people if they are contemplating using cannabis, especially early on in life, wait, wait until there’s more evidence. I HAVE seen what appears to be people getting "dumber" over time when they started smoking at an early age. This (much like drinking) i would not reccomened for people under ..say...19.
 
...It seems many Cannabis users get extremely self-righteous...
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pissed all over my black kettle!

In regards to addiction, the only time I was addicted was when I mixed it with tobacco (for about 25 years) and pulled bongs. Very addictive. Couldn't function without it. I think that the sensation of smoking is/was half the problem.

These days i'm a daily vaper but there are NO cravings - I can take it or leave it - like a cup of coffee. Perhaps i've simply matured.

#1 reason why we (initially) mixed with tobacco: stops the cough.
 
^^^^ There are more than 'a few' reported cases, either factually or anecdotally - but these often refer to heavy, hardcore, prolonged daily bong smoking - which is far from healthy, by any stretch of the imagination.

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I love to mix my weed with tobacco, although I disagree that the high is better mixed and I DEFINATELY don't need better weed.

But I think when pepole say it lasts longer, I don't think he means in terms of days but rather as sessions. When me and my friends smoke, its better mixing it with tobacco because when u rip a cone the initial rush is just as good, and there is still more left to make Joints over.

So as a result it takes us longer to get high across the nite because we are simply having less of it at a time.

Also im with expothead about it stopping you from coughing.


@trippAR
I would very much like to see these studies you have spoken about
"many studies have shown cancer cells to be destroyed upon contact with THC. New cell growth is encouraged by THC...etc etc."

"The smoke damaging your lungs. IT has actually shown to improve lung cancer, it kills cancerous cells and promtoes growth of new cells."

You should also take into account that whilst cannabis may not give you lung cancer it is still terrible for your lungs, there was a survey posted on this site about a week ago talking about it.

But reference me up about it killing cancer cells, Referencing is a big part of this site get used to it :P

Also as far as this claim "IF YOU VAPE OR EAT YOUR CANNABIS THERE IS LITERALLY NO DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS PHYSICALLY OR MENTAL" I would challenge this too, because very few people eat cannabis, so who would they be surveying? and those people simply may not have eaten enough to get any damage.

Not that I have any proof that it would do damage, but to me it sounds unlikely if you were eating ounce's of cannabis mixed in with your meals on a day to day basis.
 
at tripppar, there's many contradictions within your consecutive posts. First you say there is no psychological side affects, then 2 posts later you're advising against a certain age group not have it because it's 'risky'... What do you actually want to say. I have some hard facts for you though. Pot has 4 times the amount of tar compared to tobacco. Have you ever looked at your bong water? Although it isn't classified by most as a mental disorder, anxiety is a much seen problem caused by pot. Finally, this goes with my opinion, the reason pot isn't legalized is because it is the biggest ambition killer in the world, next to communism. As i mentioned earlier, i'm a daily smoker but i'm not naive enough to ignore these facts.
 
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