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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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Yea I think I might try weed and benzos. I wish I could get some more klonopin, cause it's got such a long half-life and I didn't need to take very much of it...

BTW, mcg and µg are equivalent, I believe mcg is just a convenient way of writing the Greek letter "mu," since it isn't exactly found on a keyboard..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(letter)

the SI prefix micro-, which represents one millionth, or 10−6.
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For some reason I just like the Greek alphabet, and I have to deal with measurements a lot since I'm a chemistry major...
 
Trigeminal said:
Yea I think I might try weed and benzos. I wish I could get some more klonopin, cause it's got such a long half-life and I didn't need to take very much of it...

BTW, mcg and µg are equivalent, I believe mcg is just a convenient way of writing the Greek letter "mu," since it isn't exactly found on a keyboard..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(letter)


For some reason I just like the Greek alphabet, and I have to deal with measurements a lot since I'm a chemistry major...
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oh ok, gotcha! I'll keep that in mind, ug and mcg are equivalent.
 
Oxymorphone said:
Stocking up. I found a Us source with great prices and everyone I hear is hving issues with customs and shipments getting lost or taking weeks to come. this is overnight and a great deal. I will ration it and split if up and stash it in safe palces so I don't have it all around me.

To c.h. yeah the 5-meo-DMt scares me the most. Never tried JWH but I can't smoke weed due to bupe program drug tests and ahven't in years so I am excited to get that type of experience again. Plus I thought a dose was like 30mg when i ordered 2g's and now I find out it is 1-3mg for most people especially with no cannabis tolerance so that makes me happy. :)

when I do big 2c-c IM and IV trips it is so nuts and awesome and the introspective nature makes you see how bad dope is and that there are so many more positive things in the world, substance or not that blow opiates away. 2c-e and 2c-t2 are going to be different beasts which I will start tame with oral doses before attempting to IM. gotta get bacteriostatic water and microns which reminds me I need to respond to a PM.
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yeah i keep hearing you say people should trip because it enlightens you on your addiction. Ive had the same experience when tripping. Its a strong self realization that i sometimes get when i smoke weed.(however it isnt as strong) however even the strongest epiphany probably wont break the addiction. didnt for me, and prob didnt for you either. So i guess what we learned is even when ur sober you prob wont ever come to a strong self realization that probes u to quit if u cant after such a strong revelation when tripping.
 
^You'd be surprised about what you will realized through simply living. No psychedelic can touch what experience itself does. :) Psychedelics are great, but imo true change does not occur until you make and let it yourself, without drugs.
 
I typically run about 5 miles a day, on subs or not, so exercise doesn't really work for me since I'm accustomed to doing it regardless of my state of consciousness...
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nice keeping that up through taper/withdrawal. my motivation goes to shit and simple things not requiring much movement become hard. even just typing feels like a chore
leg exercises are important as they raise testosterone and HGH levels.
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w/d lowers testi?
 
i started sub ~30 days ago and have been on 24mg. is it possible i've raised my tolerance a lot? tolerance goes up real easy once you've acquired a bunch. ive taken 32mg (yeah silly me thinking i could get a buzz at first)

i'm going to see how 2mg twice a day feels. though i won't know until i'm out of kpin w/d (ran out early) since it's hard to tease the two apart. i only took 2mg yesterday, i don't feel too different but bupe's HL is so long it will probably take a few days to notice
 
qwe said:
nice keeping that up through taper/withdrawal. my motivation goes to shit and simple things not requiring much movement become hard. even just typing feels like a chorew/d lowers testi?
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No way. During withdrawal testosterone levels skyrocket.
Im sure any male who has experienced opioid withdrawal can attest to the fact that during withdrawal, despite feeling sicker then you ever have felt, you somehow are incredibly horny. This is due to the rise in testosterone levels which occur during withdrawal.

I believe the raise of testosterone levels during withdrawal is due to a sort of "rebound effect". When taking opioids, testosterone levels are suppressed (this is why libido is so low when using). When you stop taking opioids and start to go through withdrawal, your testosterone levels shoot up again, causing horniness (among other things).-DG
 
qwe said:
w/d lowers testi?
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Full agonists like morphine lower your testosterone levels. Buprenorphine doesn't to the same degree full agonists do.

daddysgone said:
No way. During withdrawal testosterone levels skyrocket.
Im sure any male who has experienced opioid withdrawal can attest to the fact that during withdrawal, despite feeling sicker then you ever have felt, you somehow are incredibly horny. This is due to the rise in testosterone levels which occur during withdrawal.

I believe the raise of testosterone levels during withdrawal is due to a sort of "rebound effect". When taking opioids, testosterone levels are suppressed (this is why libido is so low when using). When you stop taking opioids and start to go through withdrawal, your testosterone levels shoot up again, causing horniness (among other things).-DG
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Well summarized.
 
qwe said:
what sort of effects come from the change in testosterone?
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Upon WD, a rebound effect DG described.

Beyond that you would have to go ask the Steroid Discussion muscle heads, I have no idea to be honest with you.

I still always worked out on heroin and had a normal sex drive, I wasn't using "a lot" of heroin, just enough heroin to get high, consistently, so I don't think I received any negative side effects from the change in testosterone for me personally, though someone else who used more heroin/opiate than I did may see many drastic changes for all I know.

Hope my subjective experience gave you an idea qwe.

I only recently learned about "full agonists repressing testosterone levels" myself.

Feel free to ask more questions here, hopefully someone else will know some answers for us. :)
 
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yeah it makes sense given the rebound horniness

1) does cimetidine/tagamet affect subox? (not that i am planning such a thing, i just may need some for #2 if i need a high dose to break though)
2) if i adjust my dose low enough i'd be able to get an opiate like hydrocodone into my receptors? if so, how low? i assume it'd take several days after adjusting the dose for the dose change to take effect in plasma (binding)?

i remember reading someone explaining they took a small amount first (of a full agonist) then took the actual dose, to get the hydrocodone into the receptors or something. is there any merit/use to that idea?
 
qwe said:
yeah it makes sense given the rebound horniness

1) does cimetidine/tagamet affect subox? (not that i am planning such a thing, i just may need some for #2 if i need a high dose to break though)
2) if i adjust my dose low enough i'd be able to get an opiate like hydrocodone into my receptors? if so, how low? i assume it'd take several days after adjusting the dose for the dose change to take effect in plasma (binding)?

i remember reading someone explaining they took a small amount first (of a full agonist) then took the actual dose, to get the hydrocodone into the receptors or something. is there any merit/use to that idea?
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1) I don't believe so. Buprenorphine has the same effect on me, with or without tagamet.
2) Maybe you could at 2mg per day, but it's not really worth it unless you're desperate or whatever. I think it would take a while to taper down though.
 
well if shaving off that many mg is as easy as you guys say, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. hopefully. my gf and i like to get high once a month or so together on opiates. i haven't felt a thing off of suboxone at all ever, but 30mg of methadone (at first at least, when they upped me to almost 100 i didn't feel it anymore) got me high for a couple month at first when i switched to it
 
I just wanted to update you guys on my progress. I have dropped from 4mg twice a day to
2mg once a day with no discomfort at all. It has been really awsome I was having horrible constipation problems at the higher dose now I shit everyday and I feel 100 percent better. The best part is now when I take my dose I actually get a very relaxing body feeling that I was not getting at the higher dose less truely is more with this stuff. I am gonna stay at this dose for a few more days then I am gonna try 1mg a day I will keep yall posted.

PS I went cold turkey off the 8mg for 4 days in order to shoot some smack the 4th day was the most dopesick I have ever been period.
 
crimsonjunk said:
I just wanted to update you guys on my progress. I have dropped from 4mg twice a day to
2mg once a day with no discomfort at all. It has been really awsome I was having horrible constipation problems at the higher dose now I shit everyday and I feel 100 percent better. The best part is now when I take my dose I actually get a very relaxing body feeling that I was not getting at the higher dose less truely is more with this stuff. I am gonna stay at this dose for a few more days then I am gonna try 1mg a day I will keep yall posted.

PS I went cold turkey off the 8mg for 4 days in order to shoot some smack the 4th day was the most dopesick I have ever been period.
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Congrats on cutting back crimson!
 
ANyone think you can stop subs for a few days and get your tolerance back down so you feel them more ? subs used to have me feeling great , now that my tolerance is up i dont even feel them so whats the point ?
 
^that's where i'm at (with methadone), and i take it as a sign that if i want to enjoy the drug again i need to stop using for a long enough period that i can sort of reset my brain and make a brutal once-per-two-weeks internal law :) punishable by financial fines, shit costs so much 8)

would be better if i had a job but i don't know how i'd get through tapering/w/d with a job
 
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