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3,4-methylenedioxy-alpha-pyrrolidinopropiophenone

2-(Methylamino)-butyrophenon has about the duration you wish for,seems rather benign in regards to cardiovascular effects and in my view is well balanced between mood-lifting and concentration enhancement.Plus one doesen't feel very exhausted afterwards and the risk for a following depression is smaller.I guess its ratio DA/NA is favourably on the dopaminergic side (do we know the Ki's btw?).

Methcath otoh,the original Propiophenon analog for example is quite euphoric but I can't work on it because of distraction and the cardiovascular effects become a problem if one doses only a bit too high.
 
MDPV doses

around 6 to 10mg snorted per dose is what i found when i do it. addictive and the buzz is euphoric like coke and the tweakieness of speed.

Peace

phenyl
 
I am currently on 4-MCC for the first time ever. I find it very claiming and very euphoric I have done a little over half a gram (IV) I am about 2 hours into the experience right now. I am enjoying this allot and I want to get a lot more sent to me before they schedule it in the states. I really enjoy this because it is like coke euphoria just not the friend and it last along time unlike coke. I can tell this chemical must affect many of the dopamine receptors in the brain as well as 5ht receptors. I feel confident and I have an overall sense of well being.
 
This topic is regarding MDPPP; NOT MDPV!
Please stay on the topic..

offtopic:
4-MCC? There's no such thing. You must mean 4-MMC, which is also known as mephedrone. For note, you cannot 'tell' whether a chemical affects specific receptors, you can at best guess at it, but could still be far off.
 
I wouldnt touch it, after MDPV i felt like i have some sort of CNS damage or parkinsons. and song loops wont ever end
 
rolls said:
I wouldnt touch it, after MDPV i felt like i have some sort of CNS damage or parkinsons. and song loops wont ever end
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Have any info on dose, frequency of use, previous mental condition? this should probably be posted in the MDPV thread.
 
hey, would somebody share some personal expierence with MD-PPP in comparison beetwen alpha-PPP and MDPV?
I have used alpha-PPP in IV doses up to 220 mg and it was incredibly euphoric, no one drug ever come close to this huge, lusty euphoric rush that it has(methcathinone is silly if you want to comapre). But it has major downside - vasoconstriction, tremors, and very bad comedown.
On other side alpha-PVP wa used in IV doses up to 25 mg, and mostly smoked in 10-20mg doses. It gave nice mellow rush similar in quality to alpha-PPP, but softer and not that insane, i liked it better.
So, if any had expierence with MD-PXP series and simple PPP,PBP and PVP stuff, can you compare them in terms of euphoria, side effects, etc.
Thanks.
 
length

can anyone of the people who experimented with MDPPP comment on the duration of the experience? so far there is only the guess of F&B and the mis-trial of repulse

is it 4 hours or more or less? thanks
 
Where's all the reports on this one!?

If anyone has tried it please post your thoughts.

What is an ideal oral dose?

How does it compare to MDPV?

Is it all around a worthwhile stimulant?

There's gotta be some bluelighters that have tried this that can add some info on this thread!

Thanks everyone!
 
As far as euphoria goes, it was much better than MDPV imho.

but I'm partial to this one.
 
As far as euphoria goes, it was much better than MDPV imho.
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I'm not sure how much this says, given that I found MDPV to be a jittery piece of shit.
SAR-wise, what is the logic behind the 3.4-methylenedioxy substitution on cathinones with an alpha-substitution chain too long to be candidates for entactogenesis?

ebola
 
SAR-wise, what is the logic behind the 3.4-methylenedioxy substitution on cathinones with an alpha-substitution chain too long to be candidates for entactogenesis?
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What, 3,4-methylenedioxy is now reserved for entactogens only?
 
What's the oral dosage on this one?

Do most people use it orally or do people snort it?

What's the dosage for insufflation?

Sounds like it might be worth trying out, but I need more information!
 
I think F&B said in some thread that MDPV was the least harmful/neurotoxic of all the pyrovalerones so it was picked for production (on the RC market) because of that... If I remember incorrectly feel free to mentally crucify me.

Anyway, as for why they made the chemical in the first place... I think they just made a shitton of alpha-pyrrolidino-beta-ketones with different ring substitutions and chain lengths, and then tested them for activity... I don't think they had much logic in choosing substitutions, they just figured "let's make them all, some of them are bound to work!"
 
I think F&B said in some thread that MDPV was the least harmful/neurotoxic of all the pyrovalerones so it was picked for production (on the RC market) because of that... If I remember incorrectly feel free to mentally crucify me.
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This sounds right, although something tells me that the comparison was just MDPV vs. unsubstituted pyrovalerone. 'They' were a pharmaceutical firm.
 
love_sex_desire said:
What's the oral dosage on this one?

Do most people use it orally or do people snort it?

What's the dosage for insufflation?

Sounds like it might be worth trying out, but I need more information!
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Can anyone answer my earlier questions?

How does it compare to MDPV?

Anyone with experience with this one please provide a little detail on effects and if anyone has tried both MDPPP and MDPV please provide a little comparison.

I would truly appreciate any info!
 
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