3,4-methylenedioxy-alpha-pyrrolidinopropiophenone

[cegli]

i have been taking MDPPP every day and night and i really need to stop because im getting terribly paranoid that its not a DARI - but really some kind of neurotoxic 5ht releaser, i never have a real comedown but i just cant stop looking at the structural similarity to bk-MDMA and fearing for my serotonergic neurons! i suppose i have no reason to think this, but at the beginning of this thread haribo said (twice) that the action of MDPPP is "totally different" than MDPV, anyone know why he said that?

If you've been redosing and redosing with no massive tolerance build up, I'm going to guess it's mostly a stimulant and not a bk-MDMA style 5-ht releaser. You couldn't redose for days on end with bk-MDMA (I think at least). I've never heard of it at least. I would definitely take it easy on it and stop redosing. I'd agree it sounds as addictive as MDPV or more so, which means it's pretty addictive .

How long have you been redosing for?

 

[hamhurricane]

ok last night will be my last night with this stuff, it mixes VERY well with alcohol and gives me the stamina to party and drink for hours and hours and hours. i feel no come down and almost no hangover the next day, i may flush the rest of my supply because im really afraid its neurotoxic and i seem to be acting like a total fool.
i would really appreciate it if F&B or RZ or any of the other stimulant luminaries could look at the metabolites of this drug and give some thought to the possibility that its more than a DARI...

 

[rangrz]

I've tried both, and MDPV wins out fot me, its still my absolute DOC.

 

[Mentat23]

Bought 1gram. Fine light brown powder, like make-up. Previous experiences w/ this supplier and purity were all good, no reason to doubt this.
Will try and report.
Quick question. Does the analogue act apply here? MDPV isn't a schedule II or II analogue as far as I know, should this be the same?

 

[Coolio]

The Analog Act only applies if this were to be for human consumption. Don't tell no one you're eating it...

 

[fastandbulbous]

That is the same thing as MDPV except with an N,alpha-methyl group instead of an
N,alpha-(n)-propyl side chain. It looks like a winner.

There's no N about it, it's just peevee with an alpha-methyl rather than an alpha-propyl

Don't tell no one you're eating it...

That actually means tell everyone you're eating it - the joys of a double negative in the English language!

 

[fastandbulbous]

i would really appreciate it if F&B or RZ or any of the other stimulant luminaries could look at the metabolites of this drug and give some thought to the possibility that its more than a DARI...

Very much doubt it's anything other than a DARI (possibly NARI as well) as tertiary amine methylenedioxyPEA derivatives seem devoid of serotonogic activity (which would cause neurotoxicity a la MDMA)

Don't flush, just put away for a rainy day!

 

[Coolio]

The Analog Act only applies if this were to be for human consumption. Don't tell no one you're eating it...

That actually means tell everyone you're eating it - the joys of a double negative in the English language!

Good thing I left that ellipsis. For all you know, I meant to imply the end of that sentence was "or you'll go to jail!"

 

[Blador]

That actually means tell everyone you're eating it - the joys of a double negative in the English language!

shouldn't it mean "tell at least one person"?


so, any other reports? Should I just expect just about the same kind of effect as mdpv? Any comments on duration?

 

[fastandbulbous]

^ Possibly, but either way someone gets told!

If it's like alpha-PPP you should expect about 5-6 hours rather than the 3-4 of peevee

 

[Repulse]

Bought 1000mg of 3,4-MDPPP. Will post some testing results up soon.

 

[Repulse]

Alright, here we go. I ate a capsule at around 70-80mg.

 

[theotherside]

Good luck and take detailed notes.

 

[matterofperception]

^ judging from the doses people have already taken doesnt 70-80mg seem a little reckless? if people were feeling it good at 25mg, then 70-80mg might get way to intense.

 

[ebola?]

Er...I hope that you have healthy acquired stimulant tolerance.

 

[Repulse]

I didn't really take much notes to be honest. There was nothing to note. I have not taken any phenethylamine-based drug nor any other stimulant (other than caffeine, nicotine) for 2 months, but all i experienced was this:

I dropped at 16:30

+ 45m - feeling my heart pumping
+ 1 hr - still fast heartrate, not very very fast though.
+ 1 hr 10m - starting to feel hot, heartrate still feelable. Light mental stimulation, barely noticeable.
+ 1 hr 30m - still feeling hot, and lightheaded. My head feels kinda heavy.
+ 3 hrs - hot feeling went away, there never was any euphoria.
+ 4 hrs - very little mydrasis seen in mirror, heavy head-feeling is passing..
+ 5 hrs - feeling normal.

It is 22:10 now, still feeling normal, slightly lighter feet, but thats it. This does not seem very potent orally..

To confirm: This is from a verified source, lightly brownish powder with a smell similiar to MDPV.
I might just double check my 0.001 weight to be sure this wasn't way below 75mg, but to my eye it looked like it was right.

 

[Mentat23]

Repulse- I agree with you. I felt nothing. Mine was a light brown similar to make-up base. Legit supplier. I took like 30 mg and felt shit.
I made the mistake of redosing- still didn't feel anything, but was up all damn night and the next day. Like reports I've heard of MDPV. I got some tingling in my left hand and that spooked the hell out of me. Some sort of peripheral vascular effect I assume.
Also I snorted some of the redose- HUGE mistake. Drips were super nasty and I puked every time I tasted em.
I was going to try a one time dose much higher, but after your report I doubt it.

 

[Repulse]

I'd like to retort the above report, as my weight was malfunctioning. I tried with a fresh 0.001 weight, and took on 20, 35 and 45mg in oral doses several times over the course of 2 weeks with success.

I experienced slight amphetamine-ish stimulation although with smoother action that reminds me of cocaine effects, and quite some senses of wellbeing (slight euphoria) especially at 45mg with a 20mg redose after 2 hours. Minor tachycardia was present, but not in a problematic matter. Mydriasis did not appear in either of the experiments.

Tested 25mg combined with alcohol once - no bad combination, but the hangover was a tad bit worse.

After testing small nasal dosages (5-20mg) I decided that the backdrip was very unpleasant and effects not significantly better. Go with oral ingestion.

Good, worthwhile stimulus, but nothing huge. If you like a smooth, clear high and want to try something new (or legal).

I still dunno what caused the lack of effect the first time.

 

[pfeife]

Hello

I am really undecided what rc stimulant I'm going to purchase for occasional use. I have been using 4-MMC the last weeks but serious side effects are often reported and the probable 5HT-receptor affinity and neurotoxicity are worrying me. Also the vasoconstricting metabolists that work significantly longer than the actual desirable effects so there's a kind of cumulation of these metabolits with repetitive use that seems to be fishy although beta-blockers seems to work very well for me.

I have found out that MDPV or MDPPP could be an option for me. I'm especially aiming for a longer lasting stimulant like 3-5 hours and having a clear mind being able to focus on something and mood-lifting effects. Are any of those (or other compounds) qualified for this?
Also, could anyone tell me if there's a difference in the cardio-vascular effects or what generally those of MDPV/MDPPP are? I'm really looking forward to your answers.

Kind regards

 

[Repulse]

What happens to the cardio-vasculars aren't really known for neither (no research has been done on 4-MMC nor MDPV afaik) MDPPP and MDPV are pretty different compounds to me.

MDPV is fiendish, very addictive and very potent, and gives you a rush aswell of a slight risk of panic attacks.
MDPPP is 5-10x less potent, not really addictive and less likely to give you that much of a rush, as it comes on alot smoother. I like MDPPP better, although dose-for-dose MDPV might be a better deal. Im not sure if that calculation is too smart when dealing with RC's though.

What would be better for you, is certainly to taper off 4-MMC slowly, and take a break from it, if you are getting significant side-effects and/or tolerance.