NEWS: Nurofen + etc to be made Prescription only!!!

[Doctor Robert]

^DM there are actually pure codeine tablets (30mg) but they're obviously prescription only and come in boxes of 20 or 100. they're usually prescribed to those with IBS according to my dr. only tiny suckers as well, so it sure beats having to neck a cup of solution. just don't swallow them without a drink - they taste rank as you would imagine

You mean as in Irritable Bowel Syndrome? Codeine would only make this worse.

 

[drug_mentor]

^ Its probably because there is more public knowledge about the negative effects of paracetamol abuse.

LW I had a fair idea you could get script only codeine tabs but I wasn't certain, I was referring to OTC because if the health problems are arising from ingredients other than the codeine and its the codeine providing most of the pain relief why the fuck not? I already know why, because it is apparently immoral and unacceptable for anybody to be able to catch a buzz on anything other than alcohol.

Such a stupid society we live in, where we need Governments to regulate basically benign medications while pushing addictive drugs that cause millions of deaths every year. Seriously, if the restrictions on codeine get that harsh or it stops becoming cost effective, I am just going to end up using heroin or oxy regularly, which is the lesser evil? The Government are stupid fucks and I am so sick of the nanny state mentality the whole fucking worlds Governments have.

 

[Jabberwocky]

You mean as in Irritable Bowel Syndrome? Codeine would only make this worse.

yeah, i mean Irritable Bowel Syndrome. light opioids(loperamide included) are usually used in treatment for a diarrhea-predominant irritable bowel whilst stool softeners and laxitives can help with an anti-diarrhea-predominant irritable bowe. 5-htp helps with symptoms too as it stimulate the gut motility.

DM - i knew you were referring to OTC, was just pointng out there actually is pure codeine formula

i use the pure tabs on top of mscontins and tramadol for my pain management from time to time when my stomach acts up from ibuprofen and apap mixtures.

 

[katmeow]

It didn't really seem like codeine was the problem either. It's the ibuprofen causing the problems. But of course they were still trying to blame codeine containing tablets. And no mention of panadeine? Taking shit loads of paracetamol can be dangerous as well.

Panadeine is also included. Check out the info on the Pharmacy Guild site that was previously linked.

 

[Verybuffed]

Well let me tell you codeine lovers out there STOCK UP NOW! I went to 3 pharmacies yesterday, the first refused to sell anything over a 24 pack and said they had run out of the bigger packs and the new laws took effect as soon as the big boxes sold out.

Thanks for that man. I can confirm that the same thing is happening in Canberra as well. It is going to be shit for me when this comes in as I play hockey 6 nights a week and injuries on the ice are quite common.

 

[Sustanon]

Well let me tell you codeine lovers out there STOCK UP NOW! I went to 3 pharmacies yesterday, the first refused to sell anything over a 24 pack and said they had run out of the bigger packs and the new laws took effect as soon as the big boxes sold out.

The second pharmacy didn't have any qualms selling me a 100 pack of codalgin, I enquired about the new laws, the girl who served me didn't know but the pharmacist confirmed codeine was becoming S4. I asked her if she could sell me several boxes so I could avoid the increased cost for longer, she informed me it has always been the law they couldn't sell more than one of the largest pack size to a customer on any given occassion.

The third pharmacy sold me a 96 pack but they took my drivers lisence and recorded my details. They informed me that the days of being able to purchase more than 24 were numbered.

I plan to hit every pharmacy I can between now and May 1st and stock the fuck up on big packs. I highly suggest anyone who loves their codeine and doesn't want to pay through the nose for it and have to hit several pharmacies for a decent dose does the same. This is so fucked, I love my codeine, I don't want to have to pay twice as much for it and go to several pharmacies. I just hope that when they record details its not a statewide or national database but just for the individual pharmacy.

On the topic of sedative antihistamines, the first time I bought restavit (doxylamine succinate 25mg tablets) the pharmacist asked to see my ID but he didn't record any details. I have bought it a good many times since then without having to show ID.

I honestly can't believe they are doing this, I remember when you used to be able to buy the things in coles. Its fucking wrong that they are restricting the only legit OTC pain relief out there. If they are that concerned about people fucking up their organs they should make pure codeine tabs, but we all know that will never happen.

I really predict this is going to create a bigger black market for prescription drugs when these codeine abusers start having to go shop for scripts and realise theres bigger and better things out there. I don't see whats so hard about putting a warning on the pack of the dangers of eating big quantities of these pills, if someone is still dumb enough to they can hardly bitch about the health consequences. If you want to abuse codeine CWE is hardly a difficult procedure to perform or a well kept secret.

In NSW the maximum u can buy is 3 x 100tabs (3 bottles). I find it very surprising that they took ur id. Have u been to that chemist before? If so did they give u any suss looks or try to take ur ID?

Theres like 20 chemists around me in a 1km radius and not once has anyone questioned me. Last time i bought sum was bout 2 weeks ago and i keep goin back to the same place with the same people working there. I buy other things there too as its cheaper than other places.

 

[drug_mentor]

^ I had not been to that chemist before as that is a little further than the closest one and also more expensive. I just went there to stock up because I want a good number of boxes lying around by the time these laws take effect.

They took my details specifically because of the fact I was purchasing a large box of codeine, they made that very clear.

It seems since the new laws have been announced the pharmacies have been quick to implement the change even though it isn't necessary yet. I am going to go on some long drives and hit every fucking chemist I can.

I just hope when the new laws are in full swing when your details are taken it is just on a database at the individual pharmacy and not a national database like project STOP. If they create a national database recording codeine purchases we can pretty much kiss CWE goodbye.

 

[Sustanon]

^ I had not been to that chemist before as that is a little further than the closest one and also more expensive. I just went there to stock up because I want a good number of boxes lying around by the time these laws take effect.

They took my details specifically because of the fact I was purchasing a large box of codeine, they made that very clear.

It seems since the new laws have been announced the pharmacies have been quick to implement the change even though it isn't necessary yet. I am going to go on some long drives and hit every fucking chemist I can.

I just hope when the new laws are in full swing when your details are taken it is just on a database at the individual pharmacy and not a national database like project STOP. If they create a national database recording codeine purchases we can pretty much kiss CWE goodbye.

Ur not the only one who is going on a shopping spree LOL It was fun while it lasted. This is going to do a lot more harm. Im switching to oxys/heroin thats it! LOL whereas b4 id be happy just to dose a big dose of codeine

And im also sticking to my beliefs that i was saying years and years ago. If its legal its shit, which means that if its good high chance it will be banned sooner or later. Its funny how u still can buy san pedro cactuses legally. Why dont they ban that too?

 

[bootlegapparel]

What I don't understand is, why they don't just sell codeine on it's own.

(yes yes, it's to stop people taking it recreationally, but honestly, what percentage of people who want to take codeine recreationally actually understand that you can overdose and cause serious damage on the additives [ibuprofen and paracetamol]. Maybe half?, so they're effectively saying, don't do it recreationally or we'll poison you, and if you're dumb enough to not know that paracetamol is dangerous in large doses, then fuck you.
What I don't understand is, that the person who is actually smart enough to research and find out that paracetamol/ibuprofen is going to cause damage, would be responsible enough with the recreational codeine use anyway.... it makes no sense to me)

 

[Crankinit]

Because the war on drugs at some stage become a war on altered states of consciousness (sans alcohol and tobacco of course!).

 

[morpher001]

not really a big deal surely, for the occasional punter at least. Just decreasing pack size.

 

[Verybuffed]

Its funny how u still can buy san pedro cactuses legally. Why dont they ban that too?

There has been a lot of attention drawn lately to the sale of "Cactus chips", some people are saying they will be next. Same thing is happening with MHRB.

 

[Sustanon]

Bought 3 boxes of 100 pills of codeine/paracetamol pills today. No questions were asked at all. Im guessing that they arnt aware of the ban yet but will be soon. My advice is to stock up while u can. U cant CWE nurofens and ull have to buy multiple packs of 24pcs para/codeine to make it worthwhile.

 

[Crankinit]

U cant CWE nurofens and ull have to buy multiple packs of 24pcs para/codeine to make it worthwhile.

I beg to disagree. I've CWE'd nurofen + dozens of times, no probs.

 

[Sustanon]

I beg to disagree. I've CWE'd nurofen + dozens of times, no probs.

Ok i didnt phrase it right, its alot harder to CWE. It clogs up pretty badly unless u use a ton of water but then ud have to drink so much liquid it will make u gag.

 

[Romie1092]

what do you mean clog? clog the filter paper? ive always filtered through a shirt first to get all the white gunk out then run the solution through a filter paper, never really had any major issues but it can take awhile to filter.

 

[Crankinit]

Ok i didnt phrase it right, its alot harder to CWE. It clogs up pretty badly unless u use a ton of water but then ud have to drink so much liquid it will make u gag.

Yeah I know, it expands pretty heavily, I've always wondered what they put in it that causes that. It's still doable though, and I usually mix my solution with juice or something to make it go down smoother.

 

[Sustanon]

what do you mean clog? clog the filter paper? ive always filtered through a shirt first to get all the white gunk out then run the solution through a filter paper, never really had any major issues but it can take awhile to filter.

In general it makes a mess, forms a massive goop that clumps together unless u use alot of water.

 

[TripppAR]

Sussstaaa you stinger!

Yeh its true the ACTUAL N+ clog up fairly quickly. They form a thick goop that i think requires slightly more water to make it work. I always stick to Panafen +. I think the asian chemists near me won't even worry with taking them off the shelves lol. They have them out and not even NEAR the counter. Most others have them out but in view of the chemists. Not these guys haha...its like they dont wanna know.

But these new lawas are going to suck. I think its so stupid... Take away the whole thing cause some idiots don't know how to abuse it properly ! lol..

But its like if i stick a fork in my eye. Should we make forks illegal?! I can jump off a bridge ..are we outlawing bridges now? No..we aren't.

Here's to nerfing the world..

 

[TripppAR]

Codeine schedule changes!!

Well folks...THIS IS BULLSHIT! I'm a tad upset that they want to make N+ 48 PACKS AND ABOVE FUCKING PRESCRIPTION?!!??! WTF?!?!


please read on..


Codeine Schedule Changes


Background


Over recent years there has been growing concern over the misuse of combination analgesics containing codeine. Misuse has occurred through the use of codeine as an adjunct to drugs of abuse and by those who become dependent on chronic pain medication. In particular, adverse consequences due to overuse of products containing ibuprofen in combination with codeine have been reported, including reports of perforated gastric ulcers and renal failure with long term use. This issue has been monitored by the Australian Government’s National Drugs and Poisons Schedule Committee (NDPSC). At its meeting held in October 2009, the NDPSC made a final decision to change the scheduling of these products to assist in addressing this issue.



From 1 May 2010, tighter controls will apply to the non-prescription availability of analgesic products containing codeine (see below). Currently available cold and flu products containing codeine should be unaffected by the change.


New Scheduling – Effective 1 May 2010

Packs of combination analgesics containing codeine in divided preparations (e.g. tablets or capsules):

* will not be available as Pharmacy Medicines (S2)
* will be Pharmacist Only Medicines (S3) when:
o containing up to 5 days treatment and up to 12 mg codeine (15.4 mg codeine phosphate) per dosage unit, and
o labelled with a recommended total daily dose of up to 100 mg codeine (128 mg codeine phosphate)
* will be Prescription Only Medicines (S4) when:
o containing more than 5 days treatment and/or greater than 12 mg codeine (15.4 mg codeine phosphate) per dosage unit, or
o labelled with a recommended total daily dose of more than 100 mg codeine (128 mg codeine phosphate)

In addition, combination analgesic products containing codeine:

* cannot be advertised directly to the consumer
* in undivided preparations (e.g. mixtures) will be Pharmacist Only Medicines (S3) when they contain up to 5 days treatment and 0.25% or less of codeine and are labelled with a total daily dose of up to 100 mg codeine (128 mg codeine phosphate) (e.g. Painstop for Children® Day-Time Pain reliever).

These changes will have an impact on the day-to-day operations of all community pharmacies which will need to prepare in advance of the change. The scheduling changes will have both professional and stock management implications.





How existing* products are affected by the change:


After 1 May 2010

Pharmacy Medicines

(S2)


Nurofen® Plus and other brands
12, 24 units (48 units in NSW)


Panadeine® and other brands
10, 16, 20, 24 units (up to 100 units NSW only)


Aspalgin® and other brands
20 units (up to 100 units NSW only)

Pharmacist Only Medicines

(S3)

Nurofen® Plus and other brands
48 units (except NSW), 96 units

Panadeine® and other brands
50 and 100 units (except NSW)


Aspalgin® and other brands
48, 50, 100 units (except NSW)


Panadeine® Extra and other brands
12 units


Mersyndol® and other brands 20 units


Nurofen® Plus and other brands
12, 24 units (#)


Panadeine® and other brands
10, 16, 20, 24 units (#)

Aspalgin® and other brands
20 units (#)


Panadeine® Extra and other brands
12 units (#)


Mersyndol® and other brands 20 units (#)


Prescription Only Medicines

(S4)


Panadeine® Forte and other brands

20 units


Nurofen® Plus and other brands
48 tabs, 96 units


Panadeine® and other brands
50 and 100 units


Aspalgin® and other brands
48, 50, 100 units


Panadeine® Forte and other brands

20 units



* Products existing as of February 2010



(#) The new arrangements will mean that under the Pharmacist Only Medicine (S3) schedule:

* products with a daily dose of 6 units (e.g. Nurofen® Plus) may come in packs of up to 30 units
* products with a daily dose of 8 units (e.g. Panadeine®) may come in packs of up to 40 units