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The Big & Dandy N,N-DMT Extraction Thread - Elves are watching

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Tickle My Pickle said:
i cant smoke it?
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No, you've got the wrong end of the stick tickle. You smoke the freebase not the salt. The fumaric acid is used to make the freebase into the salt because it's allegedly less nauseating if you're taking it orally.

If you just want to smoke it - forget the fumaric acid and just smoke the freebase.
 
Ismene said:
No, you've got the wrong end of the stick tickle. You smoke the freebase not the salt. The fumaric acid is used to make the freebase into the salt because it's allegedly less nauseating if you're taking it orally.

If you just want to smoke it - forget the fumaric acid and just smoke the freebase.
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these r the steps i wanted to do


http://wiki.dmt-nexus.com/BLAB_-_The_Big_Lazy_A/B


if i did eveerything but the fumaric acid id be able to smoke it?
 
Never seen an extract that complex - I don't even know if the final result would be freebase or salt.

Why not simply get some sodium hydroxide and Bertolines low odour naptha from the local B&Q and make DMT freebase with the straight to base method? It's a helluva lot simpler and cheaper.
 
Ismene said:
Never seen an extract that complex - I don't even know if the final result would be freebase or salt.

Why not simply get some sodium hydroxide and Bertolines low odour naptha from the local B&Q and make DMT freebase with the straight to base method? It's a helluva lot simpler and cheaper.
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i'm determined to make dmt. i see some guides and they are just so complicated, need lots of equiptment, etc. do you have a good extraction guide? or know of a good one
 
^Basify water to pH 13 or 14, add ground rootbark to water. Let sit for 15 mins.

Add naphtha, close jar, gently roll the jar back and forth. Then let the layers separate.

Pull-off the naphtha with a large syringe or turkey-baster. You can then evaporate the naphtha, or do a freeze-precipitation for a purer product.

That's basically it. Look up "straight to base tek" or "lazyman's tek". :)
 
Roger&Me said:
^Basify water to pH 13 or 14, add ground rootbark to water. Let sit for 15 mins.

Add naphtha, close jar, gently roll the jar back and forth. Then let the layers separate.

Pull-off the naphtha with a large syringe or turkey-baster. You can then evaporate the naphtha, or do a freeze-precipitation for a purer product.

That's basically it. Look up "straight to base tek" or "lazyman's tek". :)
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why do mosst ppl recocmend A/B?
 
^The acid phase removes the plant fats, but if you're extracting from mimosa bark that isn't an issue because there are so few fats in it to begin with.
 
i decided to go with this then so i can smoke it..

http://wiki.dmt-nexus.com/Lazyman's_tek



step 1: 1.Break a pound or 454 g of dried of Mimosa Hostilis root bark into small pieces so that no piece is longer than three inches allowing them to all nicely fit into the bottom of a large 5 liter mixing bowl with lots of extra room left over and set to the side.




if i bought it already in powder form would it be alright?
 
both of these are straight-to-base techniques. if you don't see how they are similar, re-read them both and try to understand what is going on in each step. as explained before, here are the essential facts:

1. DMT is found as a protonated (acidic) salt in the plant material.
2. Conversion of DMT salt to DMT freebase requires lye (NaOH)
3. DMT freebase is soluble in non-polar solvent (naptha, heptane, lighter fluid, etc)
4. DO NOT SHAKE THE MIXTURE OF WATER/LYE/BARK/NAPTHA. You must GENTLY STIR or you will get a messy emulsion. Your ability to separate WATER from NAPTHA is CRUCIAL.
5. Once the DMT freebase is in naptha, you can crash it out by freezing and scraping out the crystals.

the rest is just laboratory technique (wear gloves, goggles, don't splash lye on your dick)
 
okay so when all the naptha/bark/lye are in on container and after it separates i'm supposed to remove the top layer and put into a separate jar, then lid that jar and put it in the freezer...then it says to do it 2 or 3 more times with the bark thats left in the original jar. do i put em in new jars those 2 or 3 times? or just add it in the same jar?



also, its putting it in a mason jar with a lid in the freezer the same as just letting it air dry?
 
They are both basically the same thing with slight adjustments. If you read through the nexus (which you seem to be doing) there are lots of little tips to help you get better results.

I usually put all my pulls in the same jar (well I use a glass baking dish as it's much easier to scrape) before putting them in the freezer or evaporating but it doesn't really matter it's just easier to do it all at once.

And no it's not the same thing as air drying. When you put it in the freezer you do what's called a freeze precipitation. You need to then pour off the naphtha leaving behind the wet crystals. Then you air dry THAT. You get a better and cleaner yield that way and you can save the naphtha and reuse it instead of evaporating it.
 
Delta-9-THC said:
They are both basically the same thing with slight adjustments. If you read through the nexus (which you seem to be doing) there are lots of little tips to help you get better results.

And no it's not the same thing as air drying. When you put it in the freezer you do what's called a freeze precipitation. You need to then pour off the naphtha leaving behind the wet crystals. Then you air dry THAT. You get a better and cleaner yield that way and you can save the naphtha and reuse it instead of evaporating it.
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this is probably obvious, but why would i reuse naphtha? just to put it back into the bark mixture and repeat? couldn't i just use new naphtha
 
The first "pull" of naptha will be yellow and essentially saturated with DMT, so the crystals will crash out easily. If you add more naptha to this (don't), then it will be less saturated with DMT, and less crystals will crash out in the freezer. The second and third pulls are less saturated with DMT because there is less DMT to get out of the root bark, so you can try to evaporate them down a little bit (to increase their concentration) before freezing them.

Freeze precipitation is NOT the same as evaporation. Freeze precipitaiton yields a fairly clean product, as each DMT molecule will preferentially stick to other DMT molecules and leave impurities behind in the naptha. Evaporation just gives you everything that was in the naptha, including any impurities. However as I said above, freeze precipitation works best when the naptha is already saturated. This is why many people evaporate half the volume before freeze precipitating.

EXAMPLE (all numbers are theoretical and just illustrative):
Your basic water contains 100mg DMT. You do one pull with 100ml naptha, so now the naptha has 60mg DMT and there is 40mg left in the water.
If you freeze the naptha, you will get 50mg crystal and 10mg will stay dissolved in the naptha.
You can re-use this naptha after straining the crystals out of it, so your second pull has 40mg DMT in it (10mg left from the first pull plus 30mg from the second pull) while the water has 10mg DMT left in it. If you freeze the second pull, you'll only get 30mg crystal because 10mg will stay dissolved in the naptha.
You can re-use the naptha again for a third pull, maybe 18mg (2mg left in the water) but only 8mg will crash out if you freeze it. You can save the yellow naptha for next time you do an extraction (so you don't waste the 10mg each time) or you can evaporate it and get 18mg of sticky gooey yellow DMT.

Obviously re-using the naptha is better than evaporating, because we're all trying to save the planet here and naptha fumes are pretty bad for you (and your house fire).
 
Delta-9-THC said:
You could but why not recycle it a few times if you can?
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idk i just figured its cheap. but yeah ur right lol.


so will the freezing then air drying yield more crystals? (or is the only benefit just saving for later use)






after i air dry after taking out of the freezer while on the coffee filters...after its all dry then its ready to be smoked?
 
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