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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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if u take the plunger out of the clogged syringe, turn barrel upside down over a spoon and flick it like u would w a bubble, itll drain.

to people who i.v. their bupe...
i usually do .5-1mg shots (1 or 2 a day), how long should i wait between doses to get the stimulated bupe high? it almost seems like unless i wait 24 hours, it doesnt have much effect besides canceling withdrawal. does anyone get high on their dose, how long do u have to wait between doses?
 
Suboxone said:
So I decided to go ahead and attempt the antihistamine/bupe IV. I've done it three times. Each time I went through 5 syringes, I'm so incredibly confused at how things are getting clogged!

I started by breaking up one 25mg diphenhydramine, added water and let it sit for around 10 minutes. I stuck a cotton on top, let it soak up the water and then drew it up in a syringe. I put the resulting concoction in the new spoon with the suboxone, mixed it up, put a cotton in. At those point, every time, I could only draw 5-10 units of liquid before it would get stuck. It took another 2-3 syringes to get all the liquid out of the cotton. There's no way in hell I'm going to stick myself 4 times to get a feeling I could similarly get through doing this all orally...it's also not exactly the safest method to then drain all this liquid out of each syringe from the ass end.

Why would I have this problem so late into the mixture? These syringes are so stuck I can't even push the liquid out of each one. Could this be the cotton? Maybe a chunk of pill? (seems most likely, though the mixture was clear even when it was in the spoon, I couldn't see any chunks big enough to get stuck)

Going to go stick one under my tongue...I'm upset I held out until 4pm just to fail several times in a row :(:(:(:(:(
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First, I hope you realize 25mg of diphenhydramine is simply too much to use for injection purposes.

Whenever I use hydroxyzine, I use roughly 4mg to 6mg.

What I would do is put 25mg in 100 units. Pull back 10-20 of them. That's all I would advise getting out of it.

Why is it clogging? It's benadryl. It's better to use the 50mg Sleepinal capsules, and use only part of it.

Lastly, I would *not* inject antihistamines unless it was out of an ampule, or micron filtered. Hydroxyzine is super cloudy, and after being micron filtered it's clear. Just my 2 cents, you can do as you wish.

needlejuice said:
to people who i.v. their bupe...
i usually do .5-1mg shots (1 or 2 a day), how long should i wait between doses to get the stimulated bupe high? it almost seems like unless i wait 24 hours, it doesnt have much effect besides canceling withdrawal. does anyone get high on their dose, how long do u have to wait between doses?
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I do it every 4 to 6 hours. Sometimes more frequently. I always get a high and a stimulating rush. *shrugs* I can't really guess what will work for you, some people never get the rush/high out of IV buprenorphine.

Maybe try 0.25mg about 2 or 3 times a day?
 
fluckimissed420 said:
i feel bad for those who bang suboxone and cant get high. i feel so fortunate because i was in those shoes. No rush..... but for me about an hour later that Nod is fuckin hardd and i mean harddd
Harder than my dick when im gettin it blown.

lol nice
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The rush is there but it's not in T minus 7 seconds like coke, heroin, or ketamine are when you IV them. It's a few minutes (like 2-5 minutes) after the injection, and it's a pretty strong effect for those with no/low opiate tolerance.
 
ahh i still haven't banged it yet. :(

I might bang 7.5 of roxy tho. I never felt a rush. =D

Oh but won't it be a real short trip. Dang nvm then. :\

Maybe since bioavailability is 100% Ill bang 3.5mg and eat the other 4
 
Captain.Heroin said:
It's OK. It's nothing super special anyways. I wouldn't really recommend doing it without a micron filter. I like sublingual buprenorphine because it lasts a long time, but I hate the long time for onset of effects.
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True but damn that nod is....wow

It's not euphoric but it does a good job at keeping my "mind" occupied. Can you believe it! 5 months since i've been an addict, and I still get cravings - I quit cold turkey too. :(
 
if i'm not mistaken, the bupe/antihistamine guide suggested 25mg be used. i'll try it again with less, i assume that is the problem.

thanks ch <3
 
DangerChamber said:
True but damn that nod is....wow

It's not euphoric but it does a good job at keeping my "mind" occupied. Can you believe it! 5 months since i've been an addict, and I still get cravings - I quit cold turkey too. :(
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Quitting cold turkey leaves a bad taste in your mouth, that's why I chose to taper long term with Suboxone. The "bad taste in your mouth" would always encourage me to use more, which would be relapsing.

Suboxone said:
if i'm not mistaken, the bupe/antihistamine guide suggested 25mg be used. i'll try it again with less, i assume that is the problem.

thanks ch <3
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It did? I think that's entirely too much. Just my 2 cents. I prefer to use hydroxyzine instead of diphenhydramine too though, that might have something to do with it.
 
hydroxyzine is deff the best anti histamine to mix with subs.. second is doxylamine succinate.
it also goes nicely with benzo's ... bupe+valium+hydroxyzine= =D

pop the valium and when it starts kickin in shoot up your micron filtered bupe+hydrozyzine solution. clonidine is also nice to add to a shot, you nod hard from IV'd clonidine, it also adds to the rush (if your one of the lucky ones who do get a rush) .. be careful with dosages everyone.. BE SAFE. and HAVE FUN =D
 
i am a pretty big fan of IV bupe. i had a pretty big tolerance so 4mg IV was what i would need. however i took about 12 days off from everything. my tolerance dropped a SHIT TON which i was not expecting. needless to say last night was filled with my throwing up and feeling dizzy. im not feeling so hot today either.

never going to make that mistake again, i now know that my tolerance drops greatly after 7 days.

just a reminder to people bupe is STRONG, and if you forget that for one second, you will have a bad day.


i found that temazapan is the best benzo when using bupe, again be careful with that being both are pretty strong CNS depressents.
 
wassup yall. im really been diggin this sub megathread the past days. Ive been havin some SHIT fuckin problems wit subs the last 2 times ive tried to stop bangin dope and detox myself off subs. So here goes,
Me and my girl (both IV dope users, me bout 1/2 brick 30 bag a day habit, hers about 15 - 20 bags a day ish.) We decided to go into a detox, me hopin they did detox like they did 5 - 6 yrs ago with low mg's of methadone and weened u off that way. nope, its all bupe. and this detox is incridibly ignorant. So i did my last shot at 7 AM b4 iwent in. I kno about precipitated w/d's b4 this but im by no means a sub doctor w/ half lifes and agonists and all that shit. So i wait al day and at 10 o'clock meds i realized it aint been newhere near 24 hrs yet but i asked the nurse if iwould be okay takin it, she said yea. so i fuckin ate it, sublingually of course. I ate a kpin my roomate snuck is so at first i was told by my gf that she came in to kiss me gnite and i was sleep. but about 1/2 hour after eatin the sub all hell broke loose. I felt like my insides were jumping around like i had a bunch of fuckin little men running around inside of me. I couldnt sit or lay down for more than 20 seconds without getting jolted up uncontrollably out of bed or off the toilet. I got up and was walkin around the halls (getting yelled at in the meantime) cuz it was physically impossible to stay in that tiny room, i ahd to keep moving, regardless of the other w/d symptoms i was having. Eventually they threatned to put me in a restraint chair/ and send me to the psych ward if i didnt get in my room. it was about 12 am at this point. ididnt kno wat else to do, i knocked on my girls door to let her kno wat was up but there was no way i was gettin strapped in a restraint chair in that condition. I calld my pops for a ride from my roomates smuggled phone and i ran out the only unlocked door, the fire door. I was in this condition ALL NIGHT even at home and i was so frantic on wat to do; i was forced to ride it out and finally was able to lay still at like 8 am and slept till 3 pm. Woke up and felt alrite but still not 100%. so i got dope. (kill me). Continued to use esp with the guilt of leavin my girl in a detox alone. Now this time i decide to stop, and i thought this was a sure thing this time. I got some subutex from a friend who went into a detox and didnt need em. I thought there wud b less chance of it throwin me into w/d cuz it doest have the nalaxone in it like subs do. Well 2 days ago from today i did only 5 bags in the middle of the day after doing 25 the day before. IT was my last of the 30 i had. SO i didnt do anything all taht night and slept and all. I woke up at about 8:30 and was pretty fuckin sick. I held off till about 10:30/11:30 and had to figure suttin out. i figured i try shootin like 2 mg of the subutex hopin for some relief. and i ate the other 6mg sublingually. about 10 mins later i was alot sickker than i was normally and it was BAD. honestly NOT as bad as the time of detox, but BAD. i was forced to lie ot my pops to get hte spare car, get my gf to make him tell her where the spare was cuz i cant drive nad he knew i was sick. told em i needed to get to a meth clinic (which are havens, only time i dont feel sick is on like 45 mg's of methadone all day n night im okay) made her drive me to the hood and get some bags, shot like 2, and it did barely nuttin, had like 5 more so i shot 4 and gave her 1. i actually felt SOMEWHAT OKAY, and mind u this is like 4 ish now cuz we got in an accident on the way down (which the wait was HELLLLLL). i still felt bad tho, and the sickness came back full effect about an hour or so later. I went BACK DOWN and got 6 bags, it was about 5:30 now and i shot 3 and got the WORSTE CRAZY PINS N NEEDLES OF MY LIFE!!!! i didnt kno wtf was goin on i thought i was gonna OD, and it was decent good everyday dope. i guess it was the reaction from breakin the sub, cuz after iwas sooo much better. Now i had 3 bags extra and i did 1 last night. and the 2 bag mini shot this morning. I really wanna stop and im thinking about gettin some bags and just doin 1 bag shots wen i feel horribly sick for a day or two then wait and take a sub, hopefully that will make the w/d's that bad or at least barely have any dope in me to fuck the sub up AGAIN. cuz i dont kno wat to do. do you think sinc ei did most of the dope besides this mornings mini shot with sub in my system ill be decently safe taken a sub next time i get sick, whenever taht happens. or shud i ween off first. I realy need to stop doin dope but icant stand w/d's and the precipitated w/d's ARE TEN TIMES FUCKIN WORSE> i NEVER EVER wanna feel that way AGAIN. ESP with no moeny and no ride. omg, how horrible these experiences were, its making me really think i shudnt be on sub and shud maybe go to a meth clinic. please someone help ASAP, i gotta get my shit striaght.

Thanks for listening to the rant, but this has been a HUUGE problem and wat ive gone thru is unthinkable.
 
the reason your getting so sick is simply because your not waiting long enough after you do dope to take the suboxone. its different for everybody for how long to wait cuz everyone's metabolism is different..

I would wait at least 24 hours after my last shot of dope.. even though effects wear off wayy before then you still have it in your system and you need to wait till you feel that the dope is outta your system and w/d's are at their worst. then you can dose subs after that.

some other people might have more/ different advice but that's my advice..

Good Luck :D
 
Captain.Heroin said:

You mean temazepam? ;)

Yes, is is the best one by far. The only one that comes close is midazolam.
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i get a script of kpins, and they are good for anxiety and everything, but someone just gave me a script of their "sleeping pills" because they made them tired in the morning,turns out they are 30mg temazepams. i almost shit myself, i guess they didnt know what they had, or just didnt care. needless to say i like the temazepams much more =D
 
disasterline said:
i get a script of kpins, and they are good for anxiety and everything, but someone just gave me a script of their "sleeping pills" because they made them tired in the morning,turns out they are 30mg temazepams. i almost shit myself, i guess they didnt know what they had, or just didnt care. needless to say i like the temazepams much more =D
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Oh nice! Yeah 30mg is a high dose. I am feeling great on 7.5mg as we speak. :) 15mg would cause me to pass out and not wake up again for a long time lol. But it's refreshing sleep. :D
 
hey Captain, I remember reading on here somewhere about taking or attempting to take nalaxone out of suboxone to where it is pure bupe, If you could tell me how to do this or direct me where this is explained or talked about on this site i would greatly appreciate it.

I have a script for brand name subutex but ive ran out and have some suboxone that i would like to inject. Ive injected suboxone plenty of times before but would prefer to try and do it without the nalaxone in it, or at least as little as possible. Thanks
 
jarettscapo said:
wassup yall. im really been diggin this sub megathread the past days. Ive been havin some SHIT fuckin problems wit subs the last 2 times ive tried to stop bangin dope and detox myself off subs. So here goes,
Me and my girl (both IV dope users, me bout 1/2 brick 30 bag a day habit, hers about 15 - 20 bags a day ish.) We decided to go into a detox, me hopin they did detox like they did 5 - 6 yrs ago with low mg's of methadone and weened u off that way. nope, its all bupe. and this detox is incridibly ignorant. So i did my last shot at 7 AM b4 iwent in. I kno about precipitated w/d's b4 this but im by no means a sub doctor w/ half lifes and agonists and all that shit. So i wait al day and at 10 o'clock meds i realized it aint been newhere near 24 hrs yet but i asked the nurse if iwould be okay takin it, she said yea. so i fuckin ate it, sublingually of course. I ate a kpin my roomate snuck is so at first i was told by my gf that she came in to kiss me gnite and i was sleep. but about 1/2 hour after eatin the sub all hell broke loose. I felt like my insides were jumping around like i had a bunch of fuckin little men running around inside of me. I couldnt sit or lay down for more than 20 seconds without getting jolted up uncontrollably out of bed or off the toilet. I got up and was walkin around the halls (getting yelled at in the meantime) cuz it was physically impossible to stay in that tiny room, i ahd to keep moving, regardless of the other w/d symptoms i was having. Eventually they threatned to put me in a restraint chair/ and send me to the psych ward if i didnt get in my room. it was about 12 am at this point. ididnt kno wat else to do, i knocked on my girls door to let her kno wat was up but there was no way i was gettin strapped in a restraint chair in that condition. I calld my pops for a ride from my roomates smuggled phone and i ran out the only unlocked door, the fire door. I was in this condition ALL NIGHT even at home and i was so frantic on wat to do; i was forced to ride it out and finally was able to lay still at like 8 am and slept till 3 pm. Woke up and felt alrite but still not 100%. so i got dope. (kill me). Continued to use esp with the guilt of leavin my girl in a detox alone. Now this time i decide to stop, and i thought this was a sure thing this time. I got some subutex from a friend who went into a detox and didnt need em. I thought there wud b less chance of it throwin me into w/d cuz it doest have the nalaxone in it like subs do. Well 2 days ago from today i did only 5 bags in the middle of the day after doing 25 the day before. IT was my last of the 30 i had. SO i didnt do anything all taht night and slept and all. I woke up at about 8:30 and was pretty fuckin sick. I held off till about 10:30/11:30 and had to figure suttin out. i figured i try shootin like 2 mg of the subutex hopin for some relief. and i ate the other 6mg sublingually. about 10 mins later i was alot sickker than i was normally and it was BAD. honestly NOT as bad as the time of detox, but BAD. i was forced to lie ot my pops to get hte spare car, get my gf to make him tell her where the spare was cuz i cant drive nad he knew i was sick. told em i needed to get to a meth clinic (which are havens, only time i dont feel sick is on like 45 mg's of methadone all day n night im okay) made her drive me to the hood and get some bags, shot like 2, and it did barely nuttin, had like 5 more so i shot 4 and gave her 1. i actually felt SOMEWHAT OKAY, and mind u this is like 4 ish now cuz we got in an accident on the way down (which the wait was HELLLLLL). i still felt bad tho, and the sickness came back full effect about an hour or so later. I went BACK DOWN and got 6 bags, it was about 5:30 now and i shot 3 and got the WORSTE CRAZY PINS N NEEDLES OF MY LIFE!!!! i didnt kno wtf was goin on i thought i was gonna OD, and it was decent good everyday dope. i guess it was the reaction from breakin the sub, cuz after iwas sooo much better. Now i had 3 bags extra and i did 1 last night. and the 2 bag mini shot this morning. I really wanna stop and im thinking about gettin some bags and just doin 1 bag shots wen i feel horribly sick for a day or two then wait and take a sub, hopefully that will make the w/d's that bad or at least barely have any dope in me to fuck the sub up AGAIN. cuz i dont kno wat to do. do you think sinc ei did most of the dope besides this mornings mini shot with sub in my system ill be decently safe taken a sub next time i get sick, whenever taht happens. or shud i ween off first. I realy need to stop doin dope but icant stand w/d's and the precipitated w/d's ARE TEN TIMES FUCKIN WORSE> i NEVER EVER wanna feel that way AGAIN. ESP with no moeny and no ride. omg, how horrible these experiences were, its making me really think i shudnt be on sub and shud maybe go to a meth clinic. please someone help ASAP, i gotta get my shit striaght.

Thanks for listening to the rant, but this has been a HUUGE problem and wat ive gone thru is unthinkable.
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Hey i think i can help you man, Ive been doing dope since i was 18 and have been on and off of suboxone and subutex for about the same time.

Sounds like you have a really high dope tolerance which means that you have to wait extra longer before taking any subutex/suboxone/bupe. Whenever you start feeling WDs is when your supposed to take bupe, but since you have so much in your system and your tolerance is so high and you do so much at a time, whenever you start feeling bad the dope really isnt out of your system as much as it should be to take bupe and feel better.

So my best advice to you is to wait at least 24 hours to take it or until you feel horrible to the point of throwing up and all that. I know you hate sitting through WDs like you said, but you also said that you hate the precipitated WDs ten times as much. Trust me subutex and suboxone(bupe) are miracle drugs and have saved thousands of lives. I hope that you will be able to appreciate it soon and be able to see how it can really change your life. Good luck man
 
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