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bbb warehouse raided

That is sad.

Why is so much money invested into such a wasteful cause? 24 officers.. I bet. They're out looking for bogus trouble... and when they cannot find it they just settle for another drug bust. fuck that.

Ignorance does not protect anybody.

Be aware, not afraid.
 
Yeah I just learned about this while skimming Erowids legal status on Desmanthus illinoensis. Can we really talk about this though (isn't this considered "sourcing?")
 
I heard about the raid, but reading the list of charges on that link just makes me sick to my stomach. What the hell is wrong with our country, seriously? The most ridiculous thing is that the same kind of drug stamps that were struck down by the Supreme Court, quite rightly, as obviously violating the ban on self-incrimination (requiring people to file tax reports listing the illegal drugs they have and intend to distribute is an obvious violation of that Constitutionally protected right as the Court ruled in Leary v. United States (1969)) are still used at the state level as the basis for forfeiture laws (which are themselves grossly unconstitutional as unreasonable seizure..).

I'm a pretty nonviolent person but it's really hard to restrain myself from over-the-top rhetoric when it comes to willing participants in the Drug War. There's a small part of me that wants them all - or at least, all the policymakers in charge, especially in the last few decades - to hang for treason or at least rot in a cell for life for gross violations of civil and, in my opinion, human rights. It's easy enough to get pissed off about the idea that I could personally be arrested for drug *use*, but watching them use basically terroristic legal tactics to 'make examples' of people like Jon (what else would you call the tactic of publicly destroying someone's life to scare the others because you know you can never catch them all? It's literally an attempt to control a population through terror, the very definition of terrorism, must like the RIAA's ridiculously high settlements on the handful of file sharers they manage to catch in the act)... Ugh. That's not even the worst of it; someday, I hope the world is enlightened enough to look back on the US' practice of firebombing farmlands in cocaine and poppy growing regions as an international human rights travesty bordering on genocide. WE FIREBOMB PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY GROW "EVIL" PLANTS. What the FUCK?! It's even *more* fucked up because the reason most of these farmers grow drug crops is because US farm subsidies make it impossible for them to make a living selling food crops, but that's another matter entirely.
 
what a load of bullshit.

closing this thread would be supporting the feds. sticky this shit and start a collection for the guy.

BBB was a legit place to buy LEGAL things. The feds have my information now, you can count on that.
 
omicamushroom: Settle? They LOVE drug busts - the ratio of public and bureaucratic praise to actual work required is pretty low. You and I may think, "arresting nonviolent, harmless old men who sell botanical products is despicable and serves no legitimate public interest." They think, "we can say we caught someone who was 'manufacturing mescaline, lysergic acids and DMT' and all we have to do is raid a botanical warehouse? Cha-ching!"

QuasiStoned: technically, it's no longer a source since they got shut down. At any rate, once it becomes a major news story relevant to the topics we discuss here I assume discussing it in that context is fine.
 
If not for the fact that the bastards would probably use it as an excuse to urinalysis everyone involved for more bullshit charges, I would say we should organise a nationwide protest and get thousands of people to descend on local police stations to turn themselves in for possessing an unlawful DMT manufacturing facility inside their pineal glands.

That, or demand under the equal protection amendment that the state prove it is not being discriminatory in pursuit of these charges by cracking down on all known public providers of any plants containing DMT, LSAs and/or mescaline... Such as just about every nursery in the state.
 
If they are charging him for mescaline and DMT, why don't they charge Walmart and Lowes and Home Depot for the same thing?
 
Changed: there's no *good* reason for that. The real reason they went after BBB is because he's anti-War on Drugs and pro-entheogen use. I suspect he may end up getting in more legal trouble due to the fact that his site openly discusses entheogen use in connection with buying its products, which seems to indicate open acknowledgment that they were aware many of their customers had intent to consume. I know that is a biiiiig legal distinction with regards to the analog act. Not sure how it applies here. By US law it *should* be just as illegal to sell San Pedro as it is to sell Mescaline, or any DMT-containing plant as it is to sell DMT HCl. These laws aren't enforced because it would make the drug war look even dumber if most people realised just how many common plants are psychoactive.
 
^If that's the case, there are quite a few other ethnobotanical vendors with forums attached even more directly to their sites that may now be fucked...
 
solistus said:
Changed: there's no *good* reason for that. The real reason they went after BBB is because he's anti-War on Drugs and pro-entheogen use. I suspect he may end up getting in more legal trouble due to the fact that his site openly discusses entheogen use in connection with buying its products, which seems to indicate open acknowledgment that they were aware many of their customers had intent to consume. I know that is a biiiiig legal distinction with regards to the analog act. Not sure how it applies here. By US law it *should* be just as illegal to sell San Pedro as it is to sell Mescaline, or any DMT-containing plant as it is to sell DMT HCl. These laws aren't enforced because it would make the drug war look even dumber if most people realised just how many common plants are psychoactive.
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His disclaimer, that I've read many times, says that everything for sale is for scientific use only, not intended for human consumption.

You really think the gov't should be able to make drug-containing plants illegal? you're out of your mind.
 
It is a source (they're still in operation) but it's also published in plenty of news media. I'm pretty sure that source discussion rule is meant to keep private information about sourcing private. If it's already newsworthy... I mean we have I think 2 other threads on this already, in Drugs in the Media and maybe Psychedelic Drugs?
 
@Changed: He doesn't personally think they should, he's saying that they CAN under current laws. They just don't usually. They are doing it because it is obvious that he is selling these plants to people because of the drugs they contain and to get high on while Walmart is not. They are trying to make an example out of him and it seems to be working to some degree.

Unless I'm mistaken in my interpretation of your question or his post.

I wonder if any of these charges will stick. Either way I feel bad for the guy trying to run a legitimate business and support his family. They are trying very hard to ruin this man's life.
 
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I dont really know why theres such a big fuss. All he has to say in court is exactly what was said in that website.. you dont even need a lawyer for fuck sakes.
 
Delta-9-THC said:
@Changed: He doesn't personally think they should, he's saying that CAN. They just don't usually. They are doing it because it is obvious that he is selling these plants to people to get high on while Walmart is not.

Unless I'm mistaken in my interpretation of your question or his post.
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By US law it *should* be just as illegal to sell San Pedro as it is to sell Mescaline
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The key part of that sentence is "by US law". He doesn't say "In my opinion". Get it?

He's got hundreds of posts on a drug forum. Do you really think he is arguing for the drug war?
 
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