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bbb warehouse raided

I skimmed this thread, and I am not familiar with that business, but have used similar businesses in the past. Basically, it sounds like things got into the hands of minors, and attention was brought to the place because minors were intoxicated at school on "legal highs". I am not surprised they got busted if that is the case. It sounds like they weren't careful enough with their disclaimers and determination not to sell to minors.

When you walk the thin line between illegal and legal (like our community often does, although most of the time people are squarely in the illegal realm), you have be very fucking careful and responsible. While the charges listed on the site will proabably change when the prosecutors realize some of them are stupid (unless they have credible info the guy was actually doing that, like selling isolated illegal chemicals like DMT/mescaline to an informant, in which case he is completely screwed no matter what), they will still have other, more reasonable charges that can be pursued.

A business like that can not sell to minors or allow things to get in the hands of minors, or too much attention will be brought to the substances, because people will be getting messed up on it. Kids live with their parents. Their parents or teachers get concerned and alert the authorities when they get messed up on something strange. This is why salvia is illegal in many states.

Why am I stressing "minors"? Because when you are not a minor, you usually move out, and when you get messed up, your parents don't see you and your teachers don't see you!

If media attention is brought to this case, it will probably lead to the explicit illegalization of several "legal" substances.

Sorry for being a pessimist, but this is how our society and government work. We know that, we've seen it happen many times before, and its not going to change anytime soon.
 
If media attention is brought to this case, it will probably lead to the explicit illegalization of several "legal" substances.

You think this case is going to lead to salvia being made illegal federally? No. People have killed themselves under the influence of salvia (or as a result of using it) and it is still not scheduled federally.

Can they make DMT or mescaline any more illegal?

No. People will find another source for mescaline containing cacti and DMT containing roots and seeds...

This case is nothing but a headache for the owner of the business.
 
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Lol :)

I was just kinda being a smart-ass

People have killed themselves under the influence of salvia (or as a result of using it) and it is still not scheduled federally.

If your talking about Brett that is totally bullshit... he smoked Salvia divinorum weeks before he killed himself and was on anti-depressants and all kinds of shit.

Maybe he was using the Salvia divinorum to treat his depression and those fucking anti-depressants made him kill himself.

Or maybe he was just crazy.
 
What the fuck don't you understand about selling extracted drugs and selling drugs to kids as being irresponsible?
 
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Ya sure that was me and I'm a cop :)

You figured me out.

Do you wanna have a serious convo or just fuck with me?

Let's head back in the direction of the topic at hand. That is one of the rules, no? Stay on topic?

Do you have any evidence of that?

Do all the other people who have been posting about it? Seems like it's all speculation to me.
 
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Are we done now?

Back on topic!

A quote from thread about BBB at Corroboree-

Yes, I do think it's about perceptions (but not the way you're thinking)

It boils down to this
Mutant doesn't want to be infringed upon with "idiotic questions"
so he's trying to protect the forums in a way...

I'm saying that we all start at zero and learn largely from example.
The best way to bring people up out of the mud
is to not let them all make a fucking royal mess out of everything.

but point out to them that there is a problem and a solution that the "best" will recognize
and gravitate towards.

Offer up a better solution than what the BBB types are making $$$ from
and people will take it and run with it.


Mutant, regarding longevity of forum sites.
they need new blood in order to thrive.

over a decade ago when the lycaeum was undergoing several changes
I argued for a more advanced and closed system of membership to the forums
just like the real old days when it was crazy encrypted, nymservered
and you had to make yearly payments to belong.

I also wanted to keep the idiots out and everyone and everything safe and secure.

I was outvoted and while I was correct on many points
the realization that any measure we could undertake
it didn't stop peoples greed.
There would always be someone else willing to cater down
to the masses in order to make a buck or have their lame ass ego stroked by a ignorant kid.

I digress....

While there were a few forum invite only sites set up for the advanced people
in the wake of all of this...
What I learned was, that its about as fun as the Universities professors mess hall.

Even in these advanced websites... without the new people coming in and asking questions,
bringing in new things and random information
we all grew stagnant in our comfortable little worlds of BS.

and worse of all....

That which we left behind... grew stronger.
Those open sites grew in membership and bozo ideas became gospel.
The clueless kept going along without us... growing in both numbers and influence.
without the voices of the reasonable and learned... they were able to shout down
the few voices of reason left on many of the larger forums.

It's all steps that have lead us to the point we're at now.

the only way I see to combat all of this is to educate people and teach them
because if we don't... the idiots will be more than willing to do it for us.

then we'll all be left with nothing.
 
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Haha, excellent! Very funny.... but I have a feeling we should get back on topic or the mods will bitch at us for being off topic.

Post your funniness in my intro thread or something.

I love you French Machine! :)
 
I don't know, feel free to delete all off topic posts.

I tried to keep it on topic but Frenchie wouldnt have it.
 
why don't you delete your own off-topic posts. all of them--that would be nice. you obviously have something against BBB.
 
I have no idea. I have never bought anything from BBB, I never liked them.

What the fuck don't you understand about selling extracted drugs and selling drugs to kids as being irresponsible?

can you provide a source for them selling extracts, did you make that up as well, where did you hear the rumor?
 
can you provide a source for them selling extracts, did you make that up as well, where did you hear the rumor?

Check the Corroboree thread on BBB.

I wonder if they will go after other US ethnobotanial sources?

I don't think so. Not if they are responsible.
 
what must government do to make us stand up and kick his balls? wheres that border?? sad things is that bad things like this one will happen another 100 years and nobody will stop it.In future,government will control us like in way we are unable to image now.Cameras,senzors,satellites,robots... freedom will be dead soon,it may sound like joke but when you look at our technology and government now,in future it would be even more hardcore.
 
PD to ASDD,
you could move it to drugs in the media if you like...
 
Not to step into this apparent shitstorm but Teotzl, did you just accuse other people of being off topic and then post a page long quote from another forum about that forum's internal politics that mentioned BBB once in passing at the top? El oh el.

Also, please don't tell people to read another forum to find the source for the claims you're making here. If you want to bring that discussion here, bring your sources with you.

Look, if you come to a forum full of drug and entheogen users to discuss trumped up charges against an entheogen vendor and basically say "he deserved it because he was doing X, Y and Z," you should provide a source for that claim if you don't want people to react badly. I have no interest in reading any other forum to follow a discussion here on BL, but from this thread it certainly sounds like you have a personal vendetta against BBB, so repeatedly making major accusations and being shifty about providing a direct source is not winning you any credibility here.
 
imsure he wasnt as innocent as you people and that article make him out too be...i mean if your in the business that sells legal products but also these products can be used for illicit purposes you have to be alert and on top of your game and deny at everypoint that they can be used illcitly and that you sell these products for only gardening or whatever they are for...

like headshops..eyeah everyone knows that bongs and pipes are used for weed but the people sellin the pipes have to make it clear they are for tobacco only...any talk about using the pipes other then with tobacco, cant even be ignored by the retailer like they never heard it, it has to be denied..ive been kicked out of many a headshops bc people that im with say stupid..bongs are water pipes, bud grinder is a spice blender,

so i bet he wasnt confirming you can get high off of whatever he was selling, but im sure he wasnt denying it either..and without denying thats almost like confirming you can..i bet thats what they got him on among other things

i can see it... some dudes walk in and one says to the other "dude you gotta try these seeds, i tripped balls when i ate him" and i bet the owner was standing right there and heard them...didnt correct them...then proceeds to sell them to the guys after he heard the conversation..thus knowing his legal products are being used for illegal purposes and thus makin him a drug dealer
 
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A business like that can not sell to minors or allow things to get in the hands of minors, or too much attention will be brought to the substances, because people will be getting messed up on it. Kids live with their parents. Their parents or teachers get concerned and alert the authorities when they get messed up on something strange. This is why salvia is illegal in many states.



Yucatan makes a good point about minors. That was the undoing of PK Tek as well. parents found their minors with a huge needle full of spores--like their kid was gonna 'bang' one of those needles! They were HUGE--once in the hand of minors..school/parents certainly draws attention. Ugly situation!
 
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