Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

[Oxymorphone]

Well maybe you need more hydroxyzine than I do. I am pretty sensitive to antihistamines IMO. If I snort a few mg's of doxylamine succinate I'm drooling all over myself in minutes.

Maybe you could try taking a mixture of hydroxyzine hcl, diphenhydramine hcl, and doxylamine succinate? That would make me pass the fuck out LOL!

Hmm never had doxylamine before. I mention hyroxyzine since it could work, I've had it before, and since I'm an addict and it isn't thought of as abusable i can probably get it prescribed. Adding diphenhydramine may work well with it too...

Any non antihistamine/gabaergics suggestions?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Hmm never had doxylamine before. I mention hyroxyzine since it could work, I've had it before, and since I'm an addict and it isn't thought of as abusable i can probably get it prescribed. Adding diphenhydramine may work well with it too...

Any non antihistamine/gabaergics suggestions?

For sleep, make sure you eat a balanced diet, take a vitamin, exercise regularly, drink water frequently, make sure you don't do anything but sleep or sex in bed.

That's for like, non drug related stuff.

Then again you can always smoke weed, though that always isn't "sedating" for everyone and in every case.

But for the most case, I wouldn't really think of many other drugs. There's some herbal things people might suggest like Valerian.

 

[paintjunkie13]

Dont feel bad, ive been averaging 8mg/day for the past few weeks. Ive wanted to keep it at 4 or less, but i just need more right now.

Ive been on sub maintenance for a couple years now, with a 3 month break - a horrible attempt at stopping - last June. Been back on since October with not one problem. Saved my life twice now. But i want to get my dose lower, and im always just gonna take the least i can each day... and know that whatever that dose is, its the right one for that day. %)

thanks ,that makes sense.congrats on the two years

 

[fistful_of_needles]

Cap, what are your thoughts on a Loprazolam/Midazolam/Brupenorphine ethanol solution (6/7's sublingual alcohol method basically )? ...very seldom do I insufflate these things yet the other day I tried these 3 combined and the result was awesome... even something close to what I'd consider "euphoria",surprisingly enough it did not knock me out ,it simply made me feel great ...I know the 3 are supposedly water soluble thus I was left wondering what the advantages of 6/7's ethanol suggestion in this context would be .
PS > what I felt after insufflating a few lines of these 3 combined was by far the highest I've ever been since I started sub maintenance (for those who wish to get HIGH on Sub).

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Cap, what are your thoughts on a Loprazolam/Midazolam/Brupenorphine ethanol solution (6/7's sublingual alcohol method basically )? ...very seldom do I insufflate these things yet the other day I tried these 3 combined and the result was awesome... even something close to what I'd consider "euphoria",surprisingly enough it did not knock me out ,it simply made me feel great ...I know the 3 are supposedly water soluble thus I was left wondering what the advantages of 6/7's ethanol suggestion in this context would be .
PS > what I felt after insufflating a few lines of these 3 combined was by far the highest I've ever been since I started sub maintenance (for those who wish to get HIGH on Sub).

Midazolam, loprazolam, and buprenorphine are all soluble in water. If you wanted to get all 3 in water and then add ethanol to that to increase the BA sublingual absorption you could. As long as you had both water and ethanol, it would work I am sure.

I have yet to try loprazolam but I like midazolam a lot. Honestly temazepam is by far my favorite benzo now that I've gotten to try it, and temazepam taken orally and then 8mg hydroxyzine + 0.1mg buprenorphine IV'd was amazing. Best combo for sex IMO. Sex is 110% euphoric on temazepam.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

man , you wouldn't believe just how tempted I'm to go and get some needles and jack Midazolam/Bupre/Hydroxyzine and Loprazolam right up all in the same hit. Thing is I haven't got anywhere near a needle since I started this Sub maintenance program and I dread the consequences ...fukk getting back to that daily speedball routine .

hahaha , so much for "harm reduction" ,I know ...

 

[Captain.Heroin]

man , you wouldn't believe just how tempted I'm to go and get some needles and jack Midazolam/Bupre/Hydroxyzine and Loprazolam right up all in the same hit. Thing is I haven't got anywhere near a needle since I started this Sub maintenance program and I dread the consequences ...fukk getting back to that daily speedball routine .

hahaha , so much for "harm reduction" ,I know ...

If you take the meds sublingually you'll still get a nice, longer effect. This is why I like temazepam, because the BA is already 100% orally (or at least really close) plus it feels just as good as IV'd midazolam except it lasts wayyy longer.

Is temazepam available where you are at?

 

[Oxymorphone]

man , you wouldn't believe just how tempted I'm to go and get some needles and jack Midazolam/Bupre/Hydroxyzine and Loprazolam right up all in the same hit. Thing is I haven't got anywhere near a needle since I started this Sub maintenance program and I dread the consequences ...fukk getting back to that daily speedball routine .

hahaha , so much for "harm reduction" ,I know ...

Yeah stay away from the needle while on maintenance if you don't think you have a lot of control- it can get out of hand and be a contributing factor leading to relapse (happened to me).

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

Yeah stay away from the needle while on maintenance if you don't think you have a lot of control- it can get out of hand and be a contributing factor leading to relapse (happened to me).

QFT.. i just recently started IVing my sub and i already wanna go grab a few bags and shoot em cuz i aint feelin shit from the subs.. its still putting my w/d's at bay but a high it is not.. i just gotta practice on getting my tolerance down. its already .5-1mg snorted 2-4 times a day and ive been doing that for a year and ive been on sub (this time) two years. i just need to lower my dose down to 1mg a day and then ill feel IV effects from bupe. ( I Hope ) 8) ive got 420 pills of hydroxyzine pamoate (vistaril) but its hard to shoot and turns everything a scary yellow color that i really dont wanna inject into my veins.. i guess thats where atarax the hcl is better.. but i get some type of rush when i combine clonidine with my subs.. and the after effects make you nod hard.

 

[Oxymorphone]

Don't mess with your bupe dose and pick up the needle aagain

QFT.. i just recently started IVing my sub and i already wanna go grab a few bags and shoot em cuz i aint feelin shit from the subs.. its still putting my w/d's at bay but a high it is not.. i just gotta practice on getting my tolerance down. its already .5-1mg snorted 2-4 times a day and ive been doing that for a year and ive been on sub (this time) two years. i just need to lower my dose down to 1mg a day and then ill feel IV effects from bupe. ( I Hope ) 8) ive got 420 pills of hydroxyzine pamoate (vistaril) but its hard to shoot and turns everything a scary yellow color that i really dont wanna inject into my veins.. i guess thats where atarax the hcl is better.. but i get some type of rush when i combine clonidine with my subs.. and the after effects make you nod hard.

Yeah be careful man. I started lowering my dose of suboxone and then went out and grabbed some needles to start IVing it with the best intentions of lowering my sub dose to a point where I might be able to get a rush/high and get that needle fix too all without relapsing on heroin and other opioids. I tried to do what CH was/is doing thinking I could and I just wasn't ready and didn't have that type of self control so when I was taking under the equivalent of 2mg sublingual a day I had huge cravings for a high and due to the low dose and me not thinking rationally i went out searching for dope and relapsed.

If you look at my posts in the last two months you can see how everything evolved. I thought I could shoot suboxone for maintenance and get a buzz but I wasn't ready and would advise most people to be very cautious when considering picking up a needle again and just not do it to be safe.

As another note, while the common consensus here is that bupe is over prescribed and the doses doctors give out is unnecessarily high there is a good reason for it. While 2-8mg may be able to hold most people from physical withdrawal it greatly increases cravings you wouldn't get at higher doses. Taking 4mg and under is dangerous simply due to the fact that there is minimal to no blocking effect and at 2mg you could go out and get as high as you want off full agonists. Combined with the increased cravings at low doses it is a huge risk and recipe for relapse. You should really only lower your dose working with your doctor and support group when you are ready and can minimize the risk of relapsing.

When I was IVing bupe daily I was fighting my urge to get a high by doing IV coke and ODed by myself and was lucky I didn't die. That made me rationalize even more that it would be safer and cheaper to just try doing heroin again then switching back to bupe without getting hooked. Well, it kind of worked and I was able to go back and forth between heroin/fentanyl (my two DOCs) and suboxone rapidly with hardly any withdrawal. I was a mess though, I thought I found the secret of being able to use opiates without being a fiend by rapidly switching back over to suboxone whenever I wanted or needed to. Looking back I was an emotional wreck, depressed, and it just didn't work. I'm glad to be back on a daily bupe dosage that reduces my cravings and wouldn't allow me to get high for days if I wanted to.

I still want to IV bupe again since I just love IVing drugs, but if it means I might fall down a similar path it isn't worth it. Myself and my loved ones can't handle another relapse. I am still very interested in and passionate about drugs and harm reduction which is why I come on here so often and hopefully I can make something positive out of my addiction and help others with the vast knowledge I have gained thanks to my experiences and everyone here on bluelight.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

^ thanks for that.. i didnt wanna quote it cuz it was so long. but i dont think ill relapse. where im living now i have no connects. i just said i wanna grab a few bags as a generalization that i wanna get high. i cant get anything other than what im scripted to. but im spripted * A LOT* of shit so im fucked up all day n e ways. i just miss that opiate bliss.. get what im sayin? im just trying to get that back with maintenance.. maybe it wont work but im gonna be slowly lowering my dose over the next month or so and i have micron filters, luerlock syringes, glass vials, rubber stoppers, alcohol wipes, and sterile bacteriostatic water coming in the mail so im gonna make a .5mg/ml solution in my 30ml vial so ill use 2 subs in 30ml of water filtered through micron filters. and i have plenty of access to clean syringes so hopefully i can pull off what CH has. cuz thats what im trying to do. my tolerance when i got on subs was 0 cuz i had just gotten out of jail and went back to my dr and he put me back on it so the only thing thats given me a tolerance is the subs themselves. so i feel i can lower my dose by the time i get all my supplies in the mail. and if it doesnt work than back to snorting it is.

 

[Oxymorphone]

yeah ne careful, that post was directed at everyone.

C.H is a great man and role model for other addicts, however I don't advise people to attempt to aspire to his methods and routine until they are ready which may be never. Going back to the needle in itself may be too much of a trigger for some people that they will quickly go from shooting bupe to dope in days.

I don't think I'm done with the needle yet myself but I am done with heroin and I have to be. If I go back on an IV bupe routine or alter my dosage it will be with extreme caution. it would be great if i could control myself IVing .5mg of bupe per day but the risks of relapsing and using other drugs IV is great. I have a container of vodka with several fentanyl patches that were already extracted once and have been soaking in it for over a week and I'm sure I could reduce that to a highly potent fentanyl solution and it is a huge temptation. I know I should throw it out and that will be rough.

I also have a ton of syringes, caps, filters, sterile water tubes, and all other IV supplies from exchanges and online stocked up that is going to be very hard to throw away and I don't know if I will be able to. I have a bin full of over 300 used syringes and knowing I could go to the exchange and get 3-4 boxes of 100 needles is very tempting (plus i probably have 200 stored away). Maybe I'll send 100 count fresh boxes to bluelighters that are legally able to receive them willing to pay shipping costs, i just don't want to waste anything. I have an OD prevention/rescue kit with 2 vials and 2 prepped and sealed shots (with rubber over the end of the 3ml syringe needle filled with a vial of naloxone) of Narcan and I'm not throwing that away either and would love to give them to someone who could use them and save a life.

I have all this supplies from my opioid abuse and mini lab extraction days that I just can't throw out and want to give to some people who could benefit from it. My main friend I used with and taught to IV who I met on bluelight is also quitting, and my addict friend of over 20 years and dope middlewoman connect doesn't need any of it so my network is small.

If anyone in NYC wants a lot of good free gear lemme know (you must have a syringe exchange card making it legal to posses).

 

[pixplzthx]

I just started bupe in an effort to determine my actual pain level minus the systemic issues associated with withdrawals. The goal is to use the bupe to avoid withdrawals and then taper off of the bupe and see what my body does and adjust my pain medication accordingly.

Wish me luck!

(Oh yeah, my fav is temazepam, too!)

 

[Pegasus]

I just started bupe in an effort to determine my actual pain level minus the systemic issues associated with withdrawals. The goal is to use the bupe to avoid withdrawals and then taper off of the bupe and see what my body does and adjust my pain medication accordingly.

Wish me luck!

(Oh yeah, my fav is temazepam, too!)

The thing is, there's a good chance that you will still experience w/d once you stop the bupe altogether. Many of us on here have tapered down to very low levels, like a fraction of a mg, and still gotten pretty unpleasant and drawn-out withdrawals from the bupe. That's why many of us recommend actually using a low dose of a shorter acting opiate or similar drug (kratom, for me) to ease off the bupe more easily.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

yeah ne careful, that post was directed at everyone.

C.H is a great man and role model for other addicts, however I don't advise people to attempt to aspire to his methods and routine until they are ready which may be never. Going back to the needle in itself may be too much of a trigger for some people that they will quickly go from shooting bupe to dope in days.

I think a lot of it has to do with associations. For me I didn't IV heroin all that much (maybe 1 dozen to 2 dozen times at the most), and I still preferred snorting it. The rush from IVing was great but the elongated rush and high when snorted was too much for me.

If you're someone who typically IV'd heroin, then IVing buprenorphine may become problematic. This is why I probably shouldn't snort my Suboxone because it'll cue me to think about my heroin use a lot.

I just started bupe in an effort to determine my actual pain level minus the systemic issues associated with withdrawals. The goal is to use the bupe to avoid withdrawals and then taper off of the bupe and see what my body does and adjust my pain medication accordingly.

Wish me luck!

(Oh yeah, my fav is temazepam, too!)

Congratulations on starting buprenorphine! Hopefully it has some analgesic relief for you. Temazepam is wonderful, I wish I had more of it.

What pain meds are you on if you don't mind me asking?

Buprenorphine is great for lowering one's tolerance.

 

[pixplzthx]

I was on 140 mg (total ER & IR) of oxycodone.

 

[Oxymorphone]

I think a lot of it has to do with associations. For me I didn't IV heroin all that much (maybe 1 dozen to 2 dozen times at the most), and I still preferred snorting it. The rush from IVing was great but the elongated rush and high when snorted was too much for me.

If you're someone who typically IV'd heroin, then IVing buprenorphine may become problematic. This is why I probably shouldn't snort my Suboxone because it'll cue me to think about my heroin use a lot.

That's a very good point- you're spot on and I would advise anyone thinking about taking bupe any way other than sublingually to consider this.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

That's a very good point- you're spot on and I would advise anyone thinking about taking bupe any way other than sublingually to consider this.

Yeah, besides for 6/7's method, I wouldn't really advise any other ROA for most people taking Suboxone.

For me, IVing buprenorphine has helped me out more in the sense that it's made me completely uninterested in heroin, but not all people work the same way.

 

[Pegasus]

I think that I should point out that those of us that are talking about getting enjoyment out of low dose bupe are getting more of an antidepressant effect, almost like what a benzo does as far as using on a daily basis. The "opiate bliss" that I saw mentioned is certainly not what you get from small amounts, or really any amount of bupe.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I think that I should point out that those of us that are talking about getting enjoyment out of low dose bupe are getting more of an antidepressant effect, almost like what a benzo does as far as using on a daily basis. The "opiate bliss" that I saw mentioned is certainly not what you get from small amounts, or really any amount of bupe.

Whereas you're probably right for most of you all I'm somehow a mutant who gets an insane opiate high out of 100mcg of buprenorphine.

I've met people who prefer IV buprenorphine over heroin hands down.

I know it's not the norm though. As a thebaine derivative, like oxycodone, buprenorphine is more "stimulating" than a downer like heroin is.

Of course combining an antihistamine like hydroxyzine, or a benzo like temazepam, will make buprenorphine more like an opiate.