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Mephedrone Megathread VII: Misunderstood Marvels & Malingering Metabolites
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sundayraver
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Meow fucking meow is the worst name for a drug ever. I hope Cockadoodledoo stays legal till the end of the year like some experts are saying!
Obviously, the media have picked up on this 'cute' name to make it sound like them evil dealersp are targetting children.
Scire
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I had a break since thursday but tonight I bombed 270mg and then snorted 75mg. Didn't really hit me that much, I'm still pretty stimulated but there was next to no messiness.
Had the heart monitor on, highest I've seen it go is 150 but it's mostly been around 120 and I hit 180 in the gym the other day. I've come to the conclusion that meph doesn't cause the heart-rate to spike too much, an acceptable amount for a stimulant anyway. The problem comes when it's used over extended periods and the heart is going at this pace for 18+ hours.
It probably has adverse affects on blood pressure and the like due to vasoconstriction but I'm pretty comfortable with what it does to the heart rate while under the effects. I'm unsure how long the mild peripheral effects, such as vasoconstriction, last (days?) but from an acute standpoint the tachycardia doesn't seem too severe.
Obviously this only applies if you use it sensibly, unlike myself, who last Friday (16th Jan) went to the gym and then stayed up all Friday night and Saturday on MDPV and meph. The fact I not only didn't give my heart a rest after a gym session but kept it stimulated for a good 24 hours probably contributed to my heart-rate issues more than any particular drug (i.e. I would have had adverse affects had I done the same with pro-plus).
Basically, don't be a dick and you should be fine, and even if you are a dick it probably won't kill you. But that's not a good reason to be a dick.
Had the heart monitor on, highest I've seen it go is 150 but it's mostly been around 120 and I hit 180 in the gym the other day. I've come to the conclusion that meph doesn't cause the heart-rate to spike too much, an acceptable amount for a stimulant anyway. The problem comes when it's used over extended periods and the heart is going at this pace for 18+ hours.
It probably has adverse affects on blood pressure and the like due to vasoconstriction but I'm pretty comfortable with what it does to the heart rate while under the effects. I'm unsure how long the mild peripheral effects, such as vasoconstriction, last (days?) but from an acute standpoint the tachycardia doesn't seem too severe.
Obviously this only applies if you use it sensibly, unlike myself, who last Friday (16th Jan) went to the gym and then stayed up all Friday night and Saturday on MDPV and meph. The fact I not only didn't give my heart a rest after a gym session but kept it stimulated for a good 24 hours probably contributed to my heart-rate issues more than any particular drug (i.e. I would have had adverse affects had I done the same with pro-plus).
Basically, don't be a dick and you should be fine, and even if you are a dick it probably won't kill you. But that's not a good reason to be a dick.
parttime crackhead
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Had a swatch at this thread for the first time in ages, must be fucking bored ![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Scire - As has probably been said 100 times, the health issues with meph seem to be more around the long term effects rather than having a heart attack after rattling a few lines. TBH, while on it, it can feel a lot better for me than other stims, also has less of a comedown than other stims I've taken as long as it's not abused, doesn't make it safe for me though. I might drop dead of a meph related heart attack years after my last dose because of the long term damage caused. That's going purely on opinions of a few people on here whose opinions/views on chemistry type stuff I would respect.
Scire - As has probably been said 100 times, the health issues with meph seem to be more around the long term effects rather than having a heart attack after rattling a few lines. TBH, while on it, it can feel a lot better for me than other stims, also has less of a comedown than other stims I've taken as long as it's not abused, doesn't make it safe for me though. I might drop dead of a meph related heart attack years after my last dose because of the long term damage caused. That's going purely on opinions of a few people on here whose opinions/views on chemistry type stuff I would respect.
Scire
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Yeah I'm not worried about a heart attack; I've used it pretty irresponsibly and had nothing like that. I was just trying to say that I was probably giving disproportionate blame to mephedrone for my strained heart. It's also down to my reckless usage, so while meph isn't totally blameless (it is cardiotoxic), most of the ill effects have been due to overdoing it, not getting sleep, etc, etc.
parttime crackhead
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Ah right, I've ignored this thread for ages so I've not seen you going on about a strained heart.
fastandbulbous
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Strangely enough, something alkaline in nature eg peas. Swallowing things like bicarb of soda just means you'll get rebound reflux a bit later on; it needs to be gentilly alkaline. Things that increase the effectiveness of the slime barrier of the stomach also work (which is why milk is so good, the protein in it (caesin) helps line the stomach to protect it.
Other than that you need something with pharmacological activity such as zantac/ranatadine or even licquorice (glychorhizzic acid in liquorice reduces the production of HCl by the oxcyntic cells in the wall of the stomach, by blocking the activity of the hormone gastrin), but be warned it also gives you the squirts if you take too much!
I know what you mean about the experience being shallow, makes it seem more of a novelty. Sometimes even bores me, going to leave bigger gaps inbetween doses now.
I know brain zaps have been briefly mentioned on one of the previous megathreads, but I've got them today and they are more intense than before. Agree it's like an electric shock in the brain. It also reminds me of the horrible sinking feel like if you've just fallen off a cliff. I normaly shake my head to 'snap out of it' as it also gives me "something-bad-will-happen-if-you-don't" feeling.
I know brain zaps have been briefly mentioned on one of the previous megathreads, but I've got them today and they are more intense than before. Agree it's like an electric shock in the brain. It also reminds me of the horrible sinking feel like if you've just fallen off a cliff. I normaly shake my head to 'snap out of it' as it also gives me "something-bad-will-happen-if-you-don't" feeling.
cherrycolouredfunk
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I'd assume they simply mean it wears off fast and you're left just craving more. .
Maybe they mean it lacks euphoria for any decent length of time. Some people like a deeper high which you can only get from some drugs.
I know what they mean I just can't describe it.
The Kid
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Fair enough, although i'm not sure "shallow" is the correct way of describing it!
I was wondering what peoples experiences were with taking meph while on SSRIs? I'm on citalopram and still have a great time on meph, but I can't help wondering if I'm missing an aspect to the high. I can still get a good experience out of MDMA if I raise my dose high enough but the buzz is certainly lacking in some areas compared with my pre-citalopram experiences.
If anyone's taken meph while both on and off an SSRI, i'd be really interested to here about any subjective differences in their experiences.
Ta.
If anyone's taken meph while both on and off an SSRI, i'd be really interested to here about any subjective differences in their experiences.
Ta.
Hmmm, the vendor I used last week has just sent me another bag for no reason, free of charge. Checked my bank statements and everything.
Maybe a way to try and get some loyal customers as there are now so many sites to choose from...?
.... or maybe just a cock up :D
The Kid
Yeh "shallow" probably isn't the best word. I think it's my fault that I've been using it a bit too frequently that it's become a bit of a novelty, very predictive, not as fun. It's hard to explain, but hopefully if I leave a bigger break, maybe just using it for 'special occasions' it will be better
Maybe a way to try and get some loyal customers as there are now so many sites to choose from...?
.... or maybe just a cock up :D
The Kid
Yeh "shallow" probably isn't the best word. I think it's my fault that I've been using it a bit too frequently that it's become a bit of a novelty, very predictive, not as fun. It's hard to explain, but hopefully if I leave a bigger break, maybe just using it for 'special occasions' it will be better
been head
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^ that happend to me last friday as well
Mugz
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I think people that say that mean that it is purely hedonistic, and it isn't as empathogenic as drugs like MDMA.