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Difference between good\bad LSD?

Yup, agreeing on the iso-LSD thing. That is also what I gathered.

Had these hits that were 210 ug lab-tested that degraded over time until they felt like around 130. The bodyload has increased a bit over time so IME it's safe to say that the degradation products of LSD cause this and if it's degradation products then among those there can be unreacted precursors, chemicals often degrade into their precursors. Call it iso-LSD, mostly iso-LSD or a mishmash of lysergides, I guess it hardly matters.

So to sum up: LSD can obviously be a bad quality (impure with body load producing byproducts) to begin with, but it can also turn bad after having been of good quality.
I believe the speed and major contributors of degradation may play a significant role in whether the degradation products are those that produce a bodyload.

For instance: light and water may kill iso-LSD and turn everything into lumi-LSD while chlorine may kill even lumi-LSD. I am just speaking hypothetically here, I don't know. But these factors produce different degradation products, I believe, making not every bad LSD as bad. Some may give more of a body-load, some may give more of a mental fuzziness. Hard to determine. Just store your shit properly and hope for badass quality product!
 
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The first time I did acid I tasted something in my mouth throughout the experience. It wasn't until I consumed my third and fourth hit that I began to notice the taste. Being ignorant at the time I assumed that it was the LSD that I was tasting. It must have been the ink because I know that what I took was acid. The hits I took were Daffy Ducks. I know that there have been a few different Daffy Ducks but these ones were going around in '99. If I remember correctly, there was sort of a light grey stained color on them. None the less I was high for 16 hours, but that might have been because I ate my third and fourth hits later on into my initial peak. I had no body load or anything for most of the experience, but I did end up going insane 10 hours after I took my first 2 hits due to an improper set and setting that I allowed for myself.
 
Toast to the Spirits said:
It wasn't until I consumed my third and fourth hit that I began to notice the taste. Being ignorant at the time I assumed that it was the LSD that I was tasting. It must have been the ink because I know that what I took was acid. If I remember correctly, there was sort of a light grey stained color on them. I had no body load or anything for most of the experience, but I did end up going insane 10 hours after I took my first 2 hits due to an improper set and setting that I allowed for myself.
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Why does everyone think the taste is because of ink? You mention that the acid had a light grey stain on the back. LSD is colorless, so would it not make sense that whatever that is not LSD that caused the grey stain would be what was causing the taste? You also mention you know that it was acid, but could not the taste be from impurity in the acid? LSD may have been the only active compound, but that doesn't mean there couldn't be anything else on the hit alongside LSD. Every time I can remember coming across LSD with a taste there was usually a grey stain on the back, so I think whatever causes the stain may be causing the taste. I'm thinking either the solvent the LSD was diluted with, or more likely by-products or breakdown products is causing the taste.

I'm gonna have to lick a freshly printed paper from my printer and see if resembles the taste I have come across on LSD blotter lol
 
Hmm well whether LSD itself is tasteless or not, if you taste something that doesn't mean there is no LSD in the blotter and that it's not just an impurity. What was in the hits that you ate, one can only speculate, especially if you didn't have much experience to reference to.

I have had 2 types of blotters with not such a big interval that both tasted the same: a bit like soap. Not too pleasant. Nevertheless one of these types (hofmann design) was extraordinarily clear product and without a doubt LSD, the other slightly less clear but LSD also. The latter was about 4 times as strong though.
 
love_sex_desire said:
Why does everyone think the taste is because of ink? You mention that the acid had a light grey stain on the back. LSD is colorless, so would it not make sense that whatever that is not LSD that caused the grey stain would be what was causing the taste? You also mention you know that it was acid, but could not the taste be from impurity in the acid? LSD may have been the only active compound, but that doesn't mean there couldn't be anything else on the hit alongside LSD. Every time I can remember coming across LSD with a taste there was usually a grey stain on the back, so I think whatever causes the stain may be causing the taste. I'm thinking either the solvent the LSD was diluted with, or more likely by-products or breakdown products is causing the taste.

I'm gonna have to lick a freshly printed paper from my printer and see if resembles the taste I have come across on LSD blotter lol
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Its a very real possibility that the taste was from an impurity or something like that. After finding out that acid is tasteless is just assumed that my heightened sense of taste mixed with my imagination made whatever I was tasting apparent. I wonder if people are just tripping out on the taste of the paper. In your experiences did you notice that taste right away or after you began tripping?
 
I notice the taste as soon as I put it in my mouth. Sometimes tasteless acid leaves an acid "taste" in my mouth when I'm tripping though. It's not exactly a taste, but that's the closest thing that I can compare it to. I come to associate it with the LSD experience. There's a huge difference between acid blotter that has a taste and the acid experience leaving a taste in your mouth. Re-reading your post, it sounds like the taste you experienced was probably from being high, not the actual blotter, and I've experience similar effects.
 
Mjäll said:
Yes, the only thing to worry about is potency, pretty much. This is from what I've gathered over bluelight and other different pages.

Basically, the people who can write properly and seem intelligent always are of this opinion. People with spelling errors and logical inconcistencies often believe that there are many different types of LSD, one of them inherently better than the others, and that they have some magical foolproof ability to distinguish.
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yeh I never got that. Thats like saying their are many different types of h20.... It doesn't make any sense. I wish their was a surefire way to know about potency so you could know if one blotter is shitty and 25mcg and you need to take like 5 or it is 100mcg so that u know if u take 5 its gonna be really intense!
 
I think acid cooks are probably much less likely to be all about the money than the cooks of other drugs like speed, heroin, etc. There just isn't enough money even at the top levels to cause greed. There is an ideology that these people want to proliferate and that's why most acid is more or less made with some tender loving care.
 
Al_S_Dee said:
I think acid cooks are probably much less likely to be all about the money than the cooks of other drugs like speed, heroin, etc. There just isn't enough money even at the top levels to cause greed. There is an ideology that these people want to proliferate and that's why most acid is more or less made with some tender loving care.
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Don't kid yourself, there's more than enough money to be made in LSD manufacture to elicit greed!
 
Well it's all relative. . .
I just don't see people getting mad rich off synthesizing LSD especially given the pain it is to synthesize and that the return-on-investment is not very high. In these circles of cooks and wholesale dealers, all signs point to an ideology that reveres LSD as a sacrament. At least a large part of motivation at the top-level is the spreading of this sacrament.. just like any other religious movement wants to spread itself and get more adherents in its camp (like Jehovah's Witness, Evangelicals, Catholic missionaries, Mormons, Wahhabi Muslims, etc). This ideology has been passed down from back in the days of the Brotherhood of Eternal Love and Owsley through the Grateful Dead and now through other hippie circles.

I am not saying there is NO greed at any level but just that it is significantly less so and more concentrated towards the lower echelon of the pyramid.

Coupled this with the fact that it's hard to adulterate LSD with other substances due to the extremely low psychoactive dosage of LSD, you have a pretty clean substance at hand. I do believe that pure LSD can be "washed" multiple times to remove impurities at the cost of a lower yield. However, I think more washes would increase the concentration of LSD thus making each individual dose stronger by purity rather than the removal or filtering of any contamination. Most people's experience with good/bad LSD is probably based on its concentration in each individual dose rather than effects from contamination as almost no contaminants would be psychoactive at these doses. My two cents...
 
lol this thread kinda reminds me of how people in my city would say shit like

"i can get cartoon acid everything turns to a cartoon when your on it"

or "i can get nightmare acid its dirty acid that fucks you up and gives you a scary trip"

id just laugh

i wouldnt really say good or bad acid.

id say weak or strong acid. ive had hits where 2 would have me right fucked and then other acid where id take 6 hits and it would be a mild trip
 
3.5 grams of mescaline makes around 6 doses.
3.5 grams of MDMA makes 35 doses.
3.5 grams of LSD makes 35,000 doses.

If I was thinking greedily it seems like LSD would be the thing to make!

Roger&Me said:
there's more than enough money to be made in LSD manufacture to elicit greed!
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^^ Agreed to the Zgreed on the greed
 
i think that the only real "bad" acid i've ever had was DOB, or something.. it was called "one hit wonder", and we ate two before we were told that! :D anyway, the night sucked, but set and setting was crap too.

aside from set and setting while tripping, i believe that the circumstances, or decisions, that led you to injest the lsd will affect the trip. for example, if you rob someone at gun point, steal a car, and the vile breaks in your pocket as you speed away from the cops, you will likely have a "bad" trip. on the other hand, if you're a special ed teacher, given good liquid on sugar by close friends for free, and ingest it in the comfort of your home after three days of visiting with family over the christmas holiday, you will likely have a "good" trip! :D

i read the discussion before writing this and.. well, i can taste acid. i believe that you might not, but you really can't say that i can't. i suppose you can choose not to believe me, but stuff is different for different people. i know that its written that it has no taste, but that doesn't make it not true for me! :p
 
^^ I'd say taste is impurity from synthesis, and some acid blotter has a taste some doesn't. I've tasted chemical on acid blotter too, but what seems to be the best quality types of acid that I've found have had no taste. Some acid blotter has a taste but this is not from the LSD on the blotter.
 
i thought about this last night.. and you might be right.. in fact, you probably are.. however!.. and this is a big however for me anyway.. i know that tabs have that sort of metallic taste.. but im talking about something else.. something that my mind recognizes as nothing but just lsd..

honestly, it probably shouldn't have, but what you said kind of upset me? as silly as that sounds? like somehow, your experiences or knowledge was greater than mine, like.. if i had had lsd as good as you, and knew what you knew, then i wouldn't think it had a taste? but im still skeptical.. because everything has a taste in a way.. even colors and sounds.. shapes.. also, how many people get "pure" anything? i cant ever say ive even really had pure water.. even water tastes like the container its in.. anyway.. for all intents and practical purposes.. lsd has a taste!
 
love_sex_desire said:
3.5 grams of mescaline makes around 6 doses.
3.5 grams of MDMA makes 35 doses.
3.5 grams of LSD makes 35,000 doses.

If I was thinking greedily it seems like LSD would be the thing to make!



^^ Agreed to the Zgreed on the greed
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Yes, but:

Mescaline can be extracted from one of several relatively common cacti which are not legally controlled in most jurisdictions.

MDMA can be produced from sassafras oil, which has only in fairly recent years begun to be hard to acquire because of its role in MDMA production.

LSD typically requires multiple steps through equally illegal precursors and, to my understanding, is MUCH harder to synthesise than MDMA and clearly much harder to produce than something that can be extracted with relative ease.

Add to that the fact that LSD is notoriously unstable and requires careful handling and distribution, and that it is a very high priority target with the DEA and probably most other similar agencies worldwide. People get life in prison for producing LSD pretty much automatically.


So yes, the potential profit margin for producing LSD is astronomical, but it's a much more involved, much riskier process, and the extreme care with which it must be handled means you pretty much need to have a buyer and distribution system ready to go. Common street legend says that most LSD is produced by a handful of organic chemists and distributed by an equally small number of 'acid families'. MDMA and mescaline can be prepared by much smaller operations. That said, the olden days of Merry Pranksters style acid hippies producing it for free or close to it are probably long gone for the most part as well; I have little doubt that the few people still producing large batches of LSD are almost all obscenely wealthy because of it. As you quite correctly point out, the potential ROI is ludicrous due to the miniscule doses required. 1g of pure LSD is 10,000 hits (or as much as 20,000+ with modern weak street doses). I'm sure some of the precursors are outlandishly expensive due to being rare and illegal in most places, including the US, but I'm sure they don't cost anywhere near as much per gram as acid.
 
^^ I totally agree. LSD is very hard to make and store and requires an established network for distribution. I was simply highlighting the fact that not all LSD manufacturers are necessarily doing it to turn on the world. There definitely is a lot of profit to be made.
 
PinkPanther2 said:
i thought about this last night.. and you might be right.. in fact, you probably are.. however!.. and this is a big however for me anyway.. i know that tabs have that sort of metallic taste.. but im talking about something else.. something that my mind recognizes as nothing but just lsd..

honestly, it probably shouldn't have, but what you said kind of upset me? as silly as that sounds? like somehow, your experiences or knowledge was greater than mine, like.. if i had had lsd as good as you, and knew what you knew, then i wouldn't think it had a taste? but im still skeptical.. because everything has a taste in a way.. even colors and sounds.. shapes.. also, how many people get "pure" anything? i cant ever say ive even really had pure water.. even water tastes like the container its in.. anyway.. for all intents and practical purposes.. lsd has a taste!
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Hate to rain on your parade and upset you! But the truth of the matter is, LSD doesn't have a taste at active doses, and if you taste anything on blotter it is not from the LSD. Unless you've fine-tuned a 6th sense for sniffing it out, in which case I'll need to employ you to sniff out some new blotter for me!

In any case it shouldn't upset you terribly. I think the effects from any possible impurity is negligible, and shouldn't affect the trip substantially unless the blotter is extremely bitter. The only types of acid blotter that I have found to be sketchy were very bitter (and no they weren't DOx, though I did recently come across DOx hits being sold as LSD for the first time in my 8 year relationship with Lucy, :\ but hey at least I got something new to try!)
 
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