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Mephedrone Megathread VII: Misunderstood Marvels & Malingering Metabolites

Riklet said:
just slightly irritated me people are still spouting the same fairly condescending shit about what is a panic attack, whom has had one, how they should have responded etc etc. The meph experts can speak, but really I don't think most of us know shit still
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Well I'm speaking from experience unfortunately as far as panic attacks go, but it's pretty well understood on the whole what a panic attack is, isn't it? http://www.anxieties.com/panic-step2.php
 
parttime crackhead said:
I haven't bothered to wipe it clean, I think it looks better like this.
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So's ya mam etc :! :D

Ceres: Nothing about skin colour change to the degree that it's noticeable to others there. A bad drug experience with a stimulant could be a mixture of a panic attack and other factors, would you not agree? The later could surely trigger the former....
 
I wasn't talking about me, I was talking about sundayraver, his words, not mine.

Yep, only done meph once afaik. How can you ever truly pinpoint things in life, past a point. I'm pretty sure mephedrone caused some pretty weird and fucked up effects for me (although maybe not those spots?), can never be certain though.

Went to a doctor but it took a week, after which my heart was ok although he said he could hear a faint echo thing and basically a was a bit of a cunt about "lifestyle choices" heh. Had an ECG which tested normal. Not been to a doctor since, but (over)using stimulants or putting pressure on my heart made the effects more noticeable. You live and learn I guess. Should really go back t'doc at some point. I think those spots might have actually taken a few weeks to form, which is one of the reason I find the meph metabolites info kinda interesting and freaky...
 
Riklet said:
So's ya mam etc :! :D

Ceres: Nothing about skin colour change to the degree that it's noticeable to others there. A bad drug experience with a stimulant could be a mixture of a panic attack and other factors, would you not agree? The later could surely trigger the former....
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Skin colour change like rapid flushing of the face and arms/legs is exactly what can happen, it's the natural response of your body to a perceived danger going haywire , the whole flight or flight adrenaline rush that gets blood flowing into your muscles and tensing you up and so on....I can tell you first hand anyway that when I was in A&E with a stim induced panic attack, my feet were alternately going from red and hot to white and cold over the space of minutes, and the doctors there absolutely could see it and reassured me as to what was going on :P

I'm surprised at hearing of so many people getting sent home without so much as a dose of valium in them though.
 
Not for me to speculate as to whether both Sunday and Mrs Sunday both happened to have panic attacks with very similar symptoms whilst in two separate places at the same after they'd taken meph. I wasn't there so really couldn't say. Does seem like quite a collection of coincidences though.

Assuming that was all pure coincidence, it begs the question of why two regular, experienced and relatively moderate users who had used less than they usually do this particular time, and who clearly both enjoyed it a greatly on many prior occasions and with no previous problems with it at all, both suddenly have panic attacks at the same time after taking the same drugs and whilst not in the same place or even aware that the other was experiencing the same thing? What would be the trigger for those attacks?
 
just to clarify Sham, me and mrs were indulging together friday night. She first got signs of Vaso at around 5am, blueish knees and thighs were pale with dark red trails where her veins were. She was NOT having a panic attack, infact she didnt seem overly concerned as she knows others who have had the same problem. I had very mild signs not long after, I've had very mild signs before, you know when you've been out in the freezing cold and get red knuckles and palms. Nothing bad there but it got progressivly worse over the next hour.

Anyway. Today I have been completely calm but the redness seems to keep comming and going, it's almost like my skin thinks it's freezing cold and goes red. The tingles are still comming from time to time, strangely I get a few down my back. This is definatly NOT a panic attack and I am not imagining things. Very very strange how both of us got the same symptoms the same time, infact only a couple of weeks ago we both took mephedrone and didnt get typicly wasted, just 'merry' and we took our normal doses.

FLIPPINGTOP - I managed to find a small bag of diazepam, a dab of it sent me to slumberland for 11 hours :D
 
That was kinda what I was getting atMSunday - buggered a few details along the way admittedly 8) - none of us here can diagnose what happened and what caused it but under the circumstances even the biggest meph lover is stretching credibility to be so adamant that it must have been a panic attack that just happened to involve a load of stuff that's been widely reported as happening to some meph users whether they knew they happened to anybody else or not.

My personal suspicion would be more a mix of the combo of drugs involved and that the meph toxins are believed to stay in your system for a long ol' time and built up to the point they gave you both a bit of a slapdown.

Purely pet theory though and - may well be completely wrong of course but if it were just a freak panic attack - that doesn't sound quite like the kind I
 
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Never do stims without benzos at hand is my advise. I learnt the hard way with a trip to A&E thinking I was having a heart attack for sure. After 15mg of valium and 5 hours of wasting a bed and felling like a twat I was home and sleeping. I take panic attacks even after a night on the booze now though.
 
Shambles said:
That was kinda what I was getting atMSunday - buggered a few details along the way admittedly 8) - none of us here can diagnose what happened and what caused it but under the circumstances even the biggest meph lover is stretching credibility to be so adamant that it must have been a panic attack that just happened to involve a load of stuff that's been widely reported as happening to some meph users whether they knew they happened to anybody else or not.
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Aren't the details, which you fucked up, pretty clear? He took meph, with his g/f, and got vaso, which he clearly states he didn't like, and then the vaso went. So he redosed, got more vaso, and a full on panic.

Ceres said:
What you're describing is the physiological symptoms of a panic attack, in my beentheredonethat opinion.

On a drug thats already pushing up levels of adrenaline in your body, panic just adds even more, your skin starts flushing, your heartrate goes up, you begin to hyperventilate etc, worsening the whole vicious circle, until you convince yourself you're dying.
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Who is suggesting the vaso was unreal or unconnected to the meph? I can't see anyone saying that, certainly not me. Certainly not Ceres.

He did drugs. He got vaso from them. He did more drugs. Got more vaso. Panicked.

It's not rocket science.

And I'm not a meph dealer/evangelist for pointing out that someone who has had a panic attack on drugs (purely about vaso) might just have been influenced by reading negative shit on BL.

Worth repeating.

On a drug thats already pushing up levels of adrenaline in your body, panic just adds even more, your skin starts flushing, your heartrate goes up, you begin to hyperventilate etc, worsening the whole vicious circle, until you convince yourself you're dying.
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LOL its pretty obvious that this guy isnt imagining anything, mephedrone causes some extreme side effects in some ppl, wel better accept it.
 
Riklet said:
I wasn't talking about me, I was talking about sundayraver, his words, not mine.

Yep, only done meph once afaik. How can you ever truly pinpoint things in life, past a point. I'm pretty sure mephedrone caused some pretty weird and fucked up effects for me (although maybe not those spots?), can never be certain though.

Went to a doctor but it took a week, after which my heart was ok although he said he could hear a faint echo thing and basically a was a bit of a cunt about "lifestyle choices" heh. Had an ECG which tested normal. Not been to a doctor since, but (over)using stimulants or putting pressure on my heart made the effects more noticeable. You live and learn I guess. Should really go back t'doc at some point. I think those spots might have actually taken a few weeks to form, which is one of the reason I find the meph metabolites info kinda interesting and freaky...
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So that spots appeared a few weeks after taking the mephedrone? Thats weird man, usually the side effects stick around for months, but they should appear after a few hours (when the metabolites form) the metabolites also dont stay around for weeks.
 
MeDieViL said:
LOL at the ppl that are still in denial.

Okay, if you want to make meph look good, just say:
"Some ppl get extreme side effect but there are many ppl that do it without problem" because thats a true statement.

But saying:
"Its nothing, just a panic attack"

Common guys, thats just stupid:D
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Who said "It's nothing"?
 
MeDieViL said:
Those that say its a panic attack instead of vasoconstriction, unless i'm reading that wrong.
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Maybe I'm reading it wrong. I thought people were saying

meph may cause vaso
physical, visible signs of vaso may cause panic attack

Oh. You seem to have edited your post.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
He did drugs. He got vaso from them. He did more drugs. Got more vaso. Panicked.
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In a nutshell.

It's just that both panicking and vasoconstriction have similar symptoms - and probably make each other worse!

Just looking on Wiki at the symptoms of a panic attack (ie: anxiety attack)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_attack

Palpitations, pounding heart, or accelerated heart rate
Sweating
Trembling or shaking
Sensations of shortness of breath or smothering
Feeling of choking
Chest pain or discomfort
Nausea or abdominal distress
Feeling dizzy, unsteady, lightheaded, or faint
Derealization (feelings of unreality) or depersonalization (being detached from oneself)
Fear of losing control or going crazy
Fear of dying
Paresthesias (numbness or tingling sensations)
Chills or hot flashes

Furthermore: "the release of adrenaline during a panic attack causes vasoconstriction"

That almost reads like a list of negative meph side-effects - so I could see why people are getting themselves worked up, especially since stimulants are renowned in bringing on anxiety in people susceptible to it.
 
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StoneHappyMonday said:
Maybe I'm reading it wrong. I thought people were saying

meph may cause vaso
physical, visible signs of vaso may cause panic attack

Oh. You seem to have edited your post.
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Okay I must have misunderstood then, I edited my post to phrase something better in my terrible english, but nvm i tought ppl were saying "its only a panic attack, your imagining your turning blue".
 
I'm not saying their knees didn't turn blue etc, I was talking about reacting to it with rising panic and particularly how it happened again despite having been told by the doctors that they were a-ok....having boxes of aspirin and whatever on you and checking eachothers leg veins sounds like someone with a head full of worry setting themselves up to freak out anyway!

Look on the bright side, as far as I'm aware nobody's lost their fingers or toes or suffered any other immediately apparent tissue/organ death as a result of vasoconstriction from using mephedrone, regardless of how blue their knees turned.
 
Ceres said:
I'm not saying their knees didn't turn blue etc, I was talking about reacting to it with rising panic and particularly how it happened again despite having been told by the doctors that they were a-ok....having boxes of aspirin and whatever on you and checking eachothers leg veins sounds like someone with a head full of worry setting themselves up to freak out anyway!

Look on the bright side, as far as I'm aware nobody's lost their fingers or toes or suffered any other immediately apparent tissue/organ death as a result of vasoconstriction from using mephedrone, regardless of how blue their knees turned.
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I do look at the bright side, there are ppl with very severe side effects (especially because it seems to last long term in some cases) but many ppl take it without problems.

I'm still willing to take mephedrone but i'm very carefull with it, its not something to laugh with.

But anyway i agree with you, i misread your post, altough those who turned blue seem to have a degraded cardiovascular system (still some blueness that lasts for months, getting blue again after taking another stim) who knows, they may be more prone to strokes in a decade.

I'm just saying, the chance of getting those side effects seems pretty small, the side effects themself are very severe.
 
The more I took mephedrone, the worse the side effects got...I didn't even have a comedown up until I had reached about 10-15g. After 40g and since, I've had a constant pain in my chest. I did have some side effects like de ja vu, paranoia...which definetly would have been made worse if I had panicked.

I don't really think these threads do much to calm people who think they are, or are experiencing side effects from mephedrone!
 
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