Does anybody LIKE Opiate Withdrawal?

[dankstersauce]

I'm not a big fan. But occasionally when I'm dope sick I get this weird feeling. I can't really explain it, it almost feels like I'm rolling. It only last for a few seconds, usually when I'm listening to a favorite song, like I get chills up my spine (in a good way) and I feel very 'alive'. But that makes up usually only like 10 seconds of 4-5 days of hellish withdrawal. Maybe my body is thanking me or the chemicals in my brain are all out of whack and my brain gives me a dose of some feel good chemicals.

So I kinda feel where the OP is coming from but as a whole I hate being sick.

 

[cire113]

First of all withdrawal sucks...

But Sometimes i like being super sick then dosing just to feel amazing .......



Fuck my life

 

[Spaazkaz]

^ agreed. & fuck mine too.

From the amount of opiates you consumed i'd imagine you felt shitty but not anywhere near as shitty as true opiate withdrawl can be. Wanting to burn yourself alive because your soul is being ripped out of your body. The hot/cold sweats, muscle aches and pains, nausea, hallucinations both auditory and visual (never pleasurable ones), diarrhea and constipation battling eachother for the rights to your bowels and then your brain chemistry telling you that you NEED dope to feel better, to not feel like killing yourself. The only cure, the only thing strong enough to cure you, to put you out of your miserable agony is a fix of dope.

That my friend is withdrawl. I don't want to meet the person that finds that pleasurable.

Somehow, I found a way to make it even worse on myself this one time I was in withdrawl. I'll never repeat this as I was obviously not in the right state of mind. But try taking a heavy dose of MDMA while on full blown opiate withdrawl. That'll make you run back to your dealer/stash real quick.

Long story short. Heroin is what it is. If you're using it responsibly (i dont know a single person in that category) then kudos but if you're starting to slip into that gray area of habitual usage fucking quit while you're ahead buddy. It's just not worth it, ferreal.

its funny you should say that... last night I was starting to w/d and trying to sleep and I had this half awake dream about doing some 80's that turned out to be fake (after reading too many micrograms...) and filled with a good dose of MDMA. I woke up wondering if it would work at all like people have claimed Meth(amp) to help after severe w/d's are over (a stupid idea in my opinion but I've read the claims!). I guess not... thanks for unkowingly answering my question. PEace&Be safe!
-spaz

 

[lleno]

how can any like withdrwls ? hi this lleno wife your leg &hand hurt so bad you do feel like cutting off. if your man you will suck dick for fix women also. take methdone just enough if i take herion i will it not get why go that bull shit it supid

 

[Free_Man**]

i know that most people would say that you dont have friends that junkies arent friends, and yes most of my friends would and have stabbed me in the back or whatever and i the same, but also those same people have been friends to me, and looking back remembering how many times people got me better , the comradarie of the desperation of using and sickness, this was one of the hardest things to let go of was the life style, and my friends,

true testimony here to the strength of the human spirit. we are often at our best when things are at their worst. even those who you cannot really trust , will sometimes still be there for you .... and put themselves out - so that your suffering will be less. some might even allow themselves to suffer a little so that u will feel better... (sharing last bit of H or booze or shelter...)
when i was going through a horrible divorce and having a two yr old who was terribly ill at the time, it was my using friends who stood by me

even through the hell of addiction , something inside us remains good.. and that is a beautiful thing.

who knows its probably my addiction that glamorizes it and i am glad i dont give into it and could laugh now at the insane thing me and my friends did but when i am real with myself i know how horrible it all really was, it was a horrible thing to let go of but i did and i know for the most part the missing all of it is a way for my addiction to try to get me to come back, intelectually i know it sucked but my brain lies,

this touches on the "romantic" side i am refering to...... sometimes our west enemy is ourself...

thank god i am not living that life anymore ashla

this is a really beautiful post. i really like it. thank you for sharing this with us Ashla

peace and

FM

Originally Posted by Opiatesrarely

I see that - there are about 1,000,000,000 scenarios in which someone with no problems, adequate pleasure stimulation, and homeostasis choose to use a drug, and then the snowball effect rolls down, and boom they're hooked (possibly not educated about their addiction - which, thank the Bluelight gods, we all are educated! )

true dat. but i do still wonder why we try the drug in the first place.

why do some feel the need and the desire to risk it?

and others see only foolishness....

i guess its personality partly..... or do some of us just suffer more?

 

[dragonslayer428]

This is like asking me the question: Do you like having an abscess on your ass lanced?

 

[Free_Man**]

This is like asking me the question: Do you like having an abscess on your ass lanced?

i understand how people may misinterpret the OP's thread here

but really i do understand what he means by it.

i wouldnt want to make him feel bad by making a comment that was unnecessarily flippant....

after readig the other posts in here... its clear to me that a good few others can identify with what he is saying and what he means

i can totally understand someone making a comment like this though.

 

[sixpartseven]

If you enjoyed your "withdrawals" then you weren't feeling withdrawals. I find it hard to believe that 15 days of usage would cause withdrawals. What you miss and feel nostalgic about is using the opiates. If you actually felt withdrawal, you wouldn't miss it, you would be wishing you never knew it and hoping you never feel it again.

 

[Free_Man**]

If you enjoyed your "withdrawals" then you weren't feeling withdrawals. I find it hard to believe that 15 days of usage would cause withdrawals. What you miss and feel nostalgic about is using the opiates. If you actually felt withdrawal, you wouldn't miss it, you would be wishing you never knew it and hoping you never feel it again.

its true the addiction would not have been that strong...... but i think this thread has touched on some interesting points about drug use and the sobreity that follows

i only have to read through the posts to see that....

 

[sixpartseven]

What does "the sobriety that follows" have to do with withdrawals? They are two entirely different things. I enjoy the sobriety I'm living right now, but fuck me if I enjoyed the withdrawals that came before it.

 

[Opiatesrarely]

true dat. but i do still wonder why we try the drug in the first place.
why do some feel the need and the desire to risk it?

Some people look up to others who happen to use drugs, whether they are soft or hard drugs. Or peer pressure.
Some people can use drugs just a few times and never again.

i understand how people may misinterpret the OP's thread here
i wouldnt want to make him feel bad by making a comment that was unnecessarily flippant....
after readig the other posts in here... its clear to me that a good few others can identify with what he is saying and what he means

It's ok, I think this topic has made some healthy posts and responses from those who posted, and sparked some thoughts into the minds of those who didn't.

I find it hard to believe that 15 days of usage would cause withdrawals.
What you miss and feel nostalgic about is using the opiates.
If you actually felt withdrawal, you wouldn't miss it, you would be wishing you never knew it and hoping you never feel it again.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't miss it at first (I don't believe there is one person in this world who never looked back at their opiate experience and felt nostalgic in some way, maybe warm in some way, maybe cravings, and also had fiercely negative thoughts about it).
Don't get me wrong, I DID wish I never knew the drug and its WD's.
Don't get me wrong, I DID hope I never felt it again. LIKE MAD!!
Even just 4 days is enough to feel withdrawals... I know, I remember. They may have been VERY light, but depending on the person, someone may certainly notice changes.
I feel nostalgic about the opiates, but I also got bored of them, the routine, and despised what I saw it was making me become* and leading me to, and moreso I despised the people who were flat out junkies and their outlandish, desperate, backstabbing, whiny, angry, childish, and bitchy behavior.
Don't get me wrong...

*Thank god I could knew and could look at those people firsthand who were worse off than I and deeply addicted. If it wasn't for them, I wouldn't have taken much of it so seriously, despite all that this forum has told me. In general, drug use and culture has taught me a lot about the world.

its true the addiction would not have been that strong...... but i think this thread has touched on some interesting points about drug use and the sobreity that follows
i only have to read through the posts to see that....

Addiction was not that strong, withdrawal was not that strong, but it was definitely there.

I'm glad this thread is useful for at least one person other than I.

 

[sixpartseven]

Negrogesic said earlier that what you felt was mild withdrawal. Sure, in that case, it's not so bad. Try using for 5 years or more, then see if you like withdrawals.

Not trying to negate what you've gone through, by the way, but I don't think you should go around saying you enjoy withdrawals when you've only had a small taste of them. Someone saying they like full-blown, shoot-me-now withdrawals just doesn't happen.

 

[Free_Man**]

What does "the sobriety that follows" have to do with withdrawals?

if you read through the other posts - as i have - maybe you will see ?

They are two entirely different things. I enjoy the sobriety I'm living right now, but fuck me if I enjoyed the withdrawals that came before it.

yes of course they are different . but then again one leads to the other.... you cant start to feel sober until you go through withdrawals and your mind starts to wake up to a whole new bunch of feelings....

these arent full blown withdrawals we are talking about here - as OP has already stated....

i can see how people who have felt full blown opiate withdrawal and the terrible pain that comes with it could almost be offended by this thread and feel indignant....

but i like the points that it has raised

Negrogesic said earlier that what you felt was mild withdrawal. Sure, in that case, it's not so bad. Try using for 5 years or more, then see if you like withdrawals.

thats a silly thing to say man

Someone saying they like full-blown, shoot-me-now withdrawals just doesn't happen.

but he is isnt saying that ....

 

[sixpartseven]

Somehow I knew you were going to answer that way.

First, I have read all the posts, and I'm failing to see what you're talking about.

Second, yes, one leads to the other, but how does that mean sobriety makes the withdrawal enjoyable? Withdrawal lead to sobriety. Sobriety is enjoyable. Why would someone want to give up the sobriety in exchange for withdrawal if they enjoy sobriety so much? It makes absolutely no sense at all. I honestly believe you have no idea what you're talking about.

Of course you can't start to feel sober until you've gone through withdrawals, but again, I ask, how in the hell does that make withdrawal enjoyable? Yes, the sobriety is enjoyable. No, the withdrawal is not. 2 different things. Put it this way, people like babies. Babies are good. They are even enjoyable. Does that mean giving birth is also enjoyable? Just because you like something doesn't mean you like what it took to get there.

And yes, I know they aren't full blown withdrawals, but I still fail to see how any form of withdrawal is enjoyable. This guy is confused. He thinks he misses the withdrawal when really the withdrawal is just something that reminds him of using, which is what he really misses.

In summary: You're both confused and slightly crazy.

 

[Free_Man**]

Why would someone want to give up the sobriety in exchange for withdrawal

i would not want to give up sobriety in exchange for withdrawal. i can just identify with what the OP meant and i identify with others who have stated here that they get some nice feelings when coming back to sobreity via withdrawals (however briefly). and also how they start to enjoy other parts of life more - like sex and music - and how they start to feel more human - i can identify with all of these points

if they enjoy sobriety so much? It makes absolutely no sense at all. I honestly believe you have no idea what you're talking about.

ok thats up to you what you want to believe man.

Of course you can't start to feel sober until you've gone through withdrawals, but again, I ask, how in the hell does that make withdrawal enjoyable? Yes, the sobriety is enjoyable. No, the withdrawal is not. 2 different things. Put it this way, people like babies. Babies are good. They are even enjoyable. Does that mean giving birth is also enjoyable?

i think you have missed the point completely.....

And yes, I know they aren't full blown withdrawals, but I still fail to see how any form of withdrawal is enjoyable. This guy is confused. He thinks he misses the withdrawal when really the withdrawal is just something that reminds him of using, which is what he really misses.

of course i agree that a part of it would be missing the high. but there is another part of it that means a lot more than that.

In summary: You're both confused and slightly crazy.

then it seems that there is no point discussing it with you further.
other people on here have been able to identify with the OP's point on here

but if you dont then hey thats cool - free country right ?

would be boring if everyone agreed on everything . i still think understanding is key tho

was nice talking to you about this anyway

peace

 

[sixpartseven]

i would not want to give up sobriety in exchange for withdrawal. i can just identify with what the OP meant and i identify with others who have stated here that they get some nice feelings when coming back to sobreity via withdrawals (however briefly). and also how they start to enjoy other parts of life more - like sex and music - and how they start to feel more human - i can identify with all of these points

None of that has to do with withdrawing. It has to do with being sober. Just because it's "via" withdrawals does not mean the withdrawals are a good thing. They are good in the sense that they are a step towards something better, but that doesn't mean you like it. Again, just because something is good doesn't mean what it took to get there is also good.

ok thats up to you what you want to believe man.

I was joking

i think you have missed the point completely.....

No I haven't. You're confusing signs of being sober with symptoms of withdrawal.

of course i agree that a part of it would be missing the high. but there is another part of it that means a lot more than that.

Yeah, it's called "being sober."

then it seems that there is no point discussing it with you further.
other people on here have been able to identify with the OP's point on here

From experience, people who resort to saying "there is no point in discussing it further" either are unable to argue their point or are unable to come up with an effective argument against the counter point.

but if you dont then hey thats cool - free country right ?

Depends on your country and definition of free, but that's a whole other discussion.

would be boring if everyone agreed on everything . i still think understanding is key tho

was nice talking to you about this anyway

peace

Understanding is key. Understanding that you are arguing for something completely different than what you think you're arguing for (sobriety instead of withdrawing) is a good first step, though.

 

[Free_Man**]

None of that has to do with withdrawing. It has to do with being sober. Just because it's "via" withdrawals does not mean the withdrawals are a good thing. They are good in the sense that they are a step towards something better, but that doesn't mean you like it. Again, just because something is good doesn't mean what it took to get there is also good.

but you start to feel sober within withdrawals . and the process of waking up to the world and your own feelings starts in here....

I was joking

cool

No I haven't. You're confusing signs of being sober with symptoms of withdrawal.

dude im not confusing them - this is my point - being sober starts in withdrawl and when u start to withdraw you start to become sober - and if its not too bad WD this process can at least bring some level of pleasure ... "realising your getting better"

Yeah, it's called "being sober."

please see point above

From experience, people who resort to saying "there is no point in discussing it further" either are unable to argue their point or are unable to come up with an effective argument against the counter point.

hence me continuing the conversation with you.

Depends on your country and definition of free, but that's a whole other discussion.

yeah irrelevant lol

Understanding is key. Understanding that you are arguing for something completely different than what you think you're arguing for (sobriety instead of withdrawing) is a good first step, though.

please see above points.

 

[sixpartseven]

I don't know, man. I think we're getting off the point here, and that's that withdrawal is not enjoyable. I say that because, well, it isn't. There are aspects of it that hint towards something in the future that is enjoyable (sobriety) but even though the signs of sobriety are there, the withdrawal is still painful. Just because I can see the coming sobriety and how great it will be doesn't make the withdrawal any better. Maybe that's just me. Maybe some people can say "hey, this isn't so bad now that I have a clue of what's to come," but those people are sadists or aren't experiencing severe withdrawal. I don't see how it would be possible to be ok with the mind-blowing pain associated with severe withdrawal just because it's going to lead towards sobriety.

I respect your opinion and right to disagree, but in my eyes, you're labeling things associated with sobriety as being things associated with withdrawal.

 

[Free_Man**]

I don't know, man. I think we're getting off the point here, and that's that withdrawal is not enjoyable. I say that because, well, it isn't. There are aspects of it that hint towards something in the future that is enjoyable (sobriety) but even though the signs of sobriety are there, the withdrawal is still painful. Just because I can see the coming sobriety and how great it will be doesn't make the withdrawal any better. Maybe that's just me. Maybe some people can say "hey, this isn't so bad now that I have a clue of what's to come," but those people are sadists or aren't experiencing severe withdrawal. I don't see how it would be possible to be ok with the mind-blowing pain associated with severe withdrawal just because it's going to lead towards sobriety.

I respect your opinion and right to disagree, but in my eyes, you're labeling things associated with sobriety as being things associated with withdrawal.

i respect your opinion too... all im saying is that you can start to feel sober in withdrawal and if the wd is not too severe than this is the part than can be enjoyable.... waking up - and becoming human again..... this is the part of the withdrawal that some people could "like " i do use this word in a loose sense..

when i withdrew from opiates (albeit mild ones) , benzos and booze all together... it was not easy ...

but i "enjoyed" the process ..... i felt myself becoming normal.....emotions were very powerful and i discovered a new part of myself - not just because i was becoming sober. but because i realised a lot of things not least how badly i had abused my body in order to be feeling withdrawals in the first place... it was worth the pain.... it was a trial .....

baptism by fire..... maybe im "weird" or whatever .... but i learnt how strong i really was and this meant something to me.... feeling the withdrawal - and knowing i was dealing with it.....

i was scared and i didnt enjoy the pain... i enjoyed what was happening to me... i was getting better

 

[sixpartseven]

But did you really enjoy it, or was it the fact that it was starting to get better and the fact that sobriety was just around the corner that made it more bearable? I find it hard to believe you actually liked it. Instead I think it was just something you accepted because you knew it would be worth it and you know that you would like and enjoy being done with it.

I don't mean to tell you what you felt, but I honestly don't believe anyone could actually like or enjoy withdrawal, no matter how severe.