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MDPV Megathread 3 - It don't matter if you're tanned or white! or beige...

sore peev is solable in watter rate thar young uns?
Thus a can get sum from t'shop n av it rate n propa wi oral syringe jobbies then?
 
I need to get some of this stuff. It sounds like something I'd enjoy a lot -- possibly a bad thing.
 
Here in my corner of N. America, my local purveyor of magick elixirs supplies a form of MDPV that sounds different from what you folks get over the Atlantic.

The last batch I got from my retailer (early 2009) was very powdery and clumpy. The latest batch (late 2009) was much more crystalline, almost like fine gourmet salt. There are tiny, hard clumps in the package which I have to break up.

The taste of both is different, as well. First batch, more "mushroomy" and pungent. Latest batch? Slight bitterness but almost a bit of a citrus flavour. Strange.

Both were blindingly white -- I've never seen the fabled "tan" product over here.

I am finding that this latest batch has a more cerebral effect, more "up" and feeling good, less yucky cardio effects afterwards. This is a nice surprise. But I still treat PV with respect.

I only offer this info as a general observation about how the Chinese seem to not be very careful in their synthesis.
 
konshuss: The material that goes up this poster's nose (white too) does have tiny clumps which give a little bit of resistance to cutting up further, but I'm pretty sure they're not crystals, just stuck together. There's no specularity/shininess.
 
konshuss said:
Here in my corner of N. America, my local purveyor of magick elixirs supplies a form of MDPV that sounds different from what you folks get over the Atlantic.

The last batch I got from my retailer (early 2009) was very powdery and clumpy. The latest batch (late 2009) was much more crystalline, almost like fine gourmet salt. There are tiny, hard clumps in the package which I have to break up.

The taste of both is different, as well. First batch, more "mushroomy" and pungent. Latest batch? Slight bitterness but almost a bit of a citrus flavour. Strange.

Both were blindingly white -- I've never seen the fabled "tan" product over here.

I am finding that this latest batch has a more cerebral effect, more "up" and feeling good, less yucky cardio effects afterwards. This is a nice surprise. But I still treat PV with respect.

I only offer this info as a general observation about how the Chinese seem to not be very careful in their synthesis.
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In at least one case the final product was not MDPV, but something else; possibly because the precursor for MDPV is 3,4-methylenedioxybenzaldehyde, which is also the precursor for MDMA/MDA via a synthesis route and will be more expensive & requiring a shitload of paperwork because it's a Sch 1 UN listed drug precursor. I reckon it's a different pyrovalerone derivative that's cheaper/easier to make such as MDPV without the methylenedioxy group (1-phenyl-2-(1-pyrrolidyl)-1-pentanone). It'll still work, but be more toxic (MDPV was chosen because it was the lowest toxicity of the ring substituted pyrovalerone derivatives), which means anything from more side effects to easier to OD on.

Not sure if it was a dodgy lab making something cheaper/less hassle or whether it's a vendor ordering something that will be inherently cheaper (or advised about such things more likely as vendors, as a rule, know next to bog all about pharmacology). The real worry is that they opt for something more potent but also way more toxic, like replacing the methylenedioxy ring with two chlorines (generally the structure of the most active versions of dopamine reuptake inhibitors) - I'd put nothing beyond some people


For general & useless interest: the cousin of MDPV...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolintane

There are lots of other analogues out there, but MDPV seems to be by far the most readily available RC of the pyrovalerone class.
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Prolintane is actually a very nice drug with no decernable side effects - doesn't even bugger your appetite!


BTW for those worrying about their use, I spent 9 months of using at least 100mg/day (up to 250mg and usually via IM route) and had a medical about 3 months afterwards and was proclaimed as very healthy for my age. So unless you have a pre-existing condition that stimulants would make worse (dodgy heart, schizophrenia etc), cease your worrying about physical problems; that's not to say it's not worryingly addictive, 'cos it is
 
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I've recovered after my MDPV + MDAI trial on NYE, the comedown wasn't too bad, more of a feeling of exhaustion than depression or anything.

Effects wise adding MDAI took a lot of the edge off the MDPV, gave it a nice fuzzy warm glowing good feeling but nowhere near as good as MDMA.

Another thing I noticed was that it took away a lot of the urge to redose on PV (for me anyway). Ended up redosing a small amount of PV once and that was just to prolong the stimulant side into the night not to chase a high.

Do wish I used a bit more MDAI cause I felt like the ratio wasn't quite right, could've done with more but was being cautious.

For those that like their MDPV its probably worth trying :)
 
Noted :)

The peevee that's fuelled most of my lengthy and almost coherent ramblings this week is a lot less fiendish than most I've had. And at least as potent - if not more so - than the a lot of the stuff that's been about. I'd be stocking up whilst the going's good but doubt that would work out too well :D

Some batches seem to be far worse for comedowns than others. Got through 3g of pretty decent (if a tad weak) peevee a while back with no comedown at all to speak of. Other times a gram in a week has me fucked over in a big way for at least two weeks.

Eating and napping whenever possible make a big difference too.
 
morphene said:
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And to the guy that was talking about MDxx drugs like MDPV was one, don't let the name fool ya. People use MDxx to mean things like MDMA, MDA, MDEA etc which all are similar both chemically and in experience. MDPV has nothing at all to do with them, it just shares a shortened version that happens to start with MD. In fact, in the stimulant family you can't really get farther apart. If MDA could be described like a kiss with your first crush, MDPV is more like trading complex financial derivatives with the devil. YMMV.
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Thanks, that'll be me =D...have to try some MDA ;)
 
I like that you like that and I share in that likingness. A post with more than a faint whiff of magistral daedalean palladianist verbilism about it, methinks.

That aside, I noticed earlier in the meph thread that some have found that it sometimes make them drowsy which seems kinda backwards to simpleminded folks like me. Stimulant = stimulation makes more sense than stimulant = sedation. Or so I would expect. But I've noticed a similar effect with peevee on many occasions. If the dose goes beyond a certain point I get drowsy and quite often doze off for a bit. Which seems equally as odd.

From the little I know (or maybe don't know) of the two, they mainly affect dopamine (especially MDPV) and was wondering if a dopamine "overdose" causes drowsiness. Obviously just putting a bit of peevified ponderation out there, but is there a reason for the drowsy effect more based in fact than friedness?
 
Small question to throw out into the Bluelight ether:

Does anyone get that vague, annoying anxiety / angst on a PV comedown? Any suggestions on how to minimize those few negative hours?

I find it goes away after 2-3 hours but when I'm in the middle of it I despise it.
 
Shambles said:
I like that you like that and I share in that likingness. A post with more than a faint whiff of magistral daedalean palladianist verbilism about it, methinks.

That aside, I noticed earlier in the meph thread that some have found that it sometimes make them drowsy which seems kinda backwards to simpleminded folks like me. Stimulant = stimulation makes more sense than stimulant = sedation. Or so I would expect. But I've noticed a similar effect with peevee on many occasions. If the dose goes beyond a certain point I get drowsy and quite often doze off for a bit. Which seems equally as odd.

From the little I know (or maybe don't know) of the two, they mainly affect dopamine (especially MDPV) and was wondering if a dopamine "overdose" causes drowsiness. Obviously just putting a bit of peevified ponderation out there, but is there a reason for the drowsy effect more based in fact than friedness?
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Simple answer - low blood sugar. Excessive doses cause an initial surge in blood sugar, which gets used up/removed and there isn't enough in reserve to keep up blood sugar levels& one tends not to eat with stimulants. Effectively it's a temp baby hypoglycaemic coma (also why diabetics are supposed to avoid stimulants)

Eventually, the body starts a thing called gluconeogenesis, where it manufactures glucose from fats(the brain cannot metabolize fats and needs glucose), but produces ketone bodies as a final product as well. That's one of the reasons people who overdo stimulants have such funky breath
 
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I was wondering why when that sleepyness happens to me, I don't get shakyness/light headedness/sweet or starchy food cravings that I usually feel when I've not eaten enough and had a tiring day, or when I have to do something quite active when I'm hungover.

I'd also been thinking along the lines of the brain adapting to ignore a constant stimulus, so the following makes a lot of sense to me, especially if your body is already reducing its response to regular abnormally high levels of catecholamines caused by frequent stimulant use :

Hypoglycemia unawareness develops when frequent episodes of hypoglycemia lead to changes in how the body reacts to low blood glucose levels. The body stops releasing the hormone epinephrine and other stress hormones when blood glucose drops too low. The loss of the body’s ability to release stress hormones after repeated episodes of hypoglycemia is called hypoglycemia-associated autonomic failure, or HAAF.

Epinephrine causes early warning symptoms of hypoglycemia such as shakiness, sweating, anxiety, and hunger. Without the release of epinephrine and the symptoms it causes, a person may not realize that hypoglycemia is occurring and may not take action to treat it. A vicious cycle can occur in which frequent hypoglycemia leads to hypoglycemia unawareness and HAAF, which in turn leads to even more severe and dangerous hypoglycemia.
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That seems to explain aswell why stimulants are so effective at making people lose weight beyond just appetite supression, if being hyopglycemic regularly is causing their body to use up fat... Would ketone byproducts of that process explain why people notice their sweat smelling really unpleasant too?

The same page I read also says

Studies have shown that preventing hypoglycemia for a period as short as several weeks can sometimes break this cycle and restore awareness of symptoms. Health care providers may therefore advise people who have had severe hypoglycemia to aim for higher-than-usual blood glucose targets for short-term periods.
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which is reassuring, but it sounds like the whole thing isn't exactly a trivial problem to ignore, especially for me since I'm pretty thin anyway and wonder at what point fat protecting internal organs and then skeletal muscle tissue starts getting used as the only resource of energy around...

edit> it just occured to me that using drugs like mephedrone might have potential to interfere with blood sugar tests based on detecting ketones....(due to the drug and it's metabolites/partial-metabolites being present, not because abuse of them has lead to actual gluconeogensis, where a false positive would be irrelevant anyway)
 
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Eat more sugar!!!! :)

Eat more doughnuts ( this ones to take care of your erm spiritual needs)!!! :)

Regularly attend your dentists!!!

Wear thicker socks!!! :)

Stop worrying now!!! :)

HR at it's finest !!! %)
 
I'm off to the shops for a trolley full of lucozade, now the strapline in their ads finally makes sense

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