Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[bang that shit]

my friend keeps saying taking suboxone is a crutch. I really dont think it is. CH or somebody can you give me a good rebuttal on why its not a crutch.


I tried explaining it as if somebody diagnosed with depression, should they not take anti depressants? cause its a "crutch"

 

[Captain.Heroin]

my friend keeps saying taking suboxone is a crutch. I really dont think it is. CH or somebody can you give me a good rebuttal on why its not a crutch.


I tried explaining it as if somebody diagnosed with depression, should they not take anti depressants? cause its a "crutch"

Not using drugs is a crutch because you can't handle the real world full of drugs. I mean really anything can be seen as a crutch if you need to interpret it that way. There's no reason why Suboxone is a crutch any more so than using heroin, or any other drug (or other habit, or the lack thereof).

 

[socio]

I will ask my doctor for Subutex ... if he will even give my Subutex since he's probably brainwashed into thinking the naloxone in suboxone makes it safer. I don't know if it would be a good or bad idea to point out that it does nothing ...

I've been thinking about that, telling my doc, "I happen to know from experience, when I'm on Suboxone alone I can bang it down the mainline all day and the naloxone does nothing, I feel great. And when I've banged Subutex with opiates in my system, it causes withdrawal all by its self...." I kinda think that would torpedo my chances, though. Very paradoxical...

 

[bang that shit]

Not using drugs is a crutch because you can't handle the real world full of drugs. I mean really anything can be seen as a crutch if you need to interpret it that way. There's no reason why Suboxone is a crutch any more so than using heroin, or any other drug (or other habit, or the lack thereof).

mmmmm that is quite true. He took it once and got real high off it (he has no opiate tolerance) so he thinks when I take I nod off which is most definitely not the case

 

[Captain.Heroin]

mmmmm that is quite true. He took it once and got real high off it (he has no opiate tolerance) so he thinks when I take I nod off which is most definitely not the case

Yeah and see that' why people really underestimate/overestimate the effect of drugs. Buprenorphine, for someone with a low opiate tolerance, can be a great experience. However once you have an opiate tolerance, it's not the same when you use buprenorphine - relief without a high. This is why more doesn't always equal better.

 

[Oxymorphone]

Quick question- how long after taking 1mg IV of suboxone with almost no other level of bupe in my system would I be able to feel the full effects of another opiate (oxycodone). I only have 30mg of oxy so I want to get all of the effects possible if I'm going to do it. I'm afraid if I go into WD by not taking bupe for a couple days then the oxy will just get me out of WD before getting me high. Is it worth taking or should I save it for when I eventually get off bupe totally and can use it recreationally?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Quick question- how long after taking 1mg IV of suboxone with almost no other level of bupe in my system would I be able to feel the full effects of another opiate (oxycodone). I only have 30mg of oxy so I want to get all of the effects possible if I'm going to do it. I'm afraid if I go into WD by not taking bupe for a couple days then the oxy will just get me out of WD before getting me high. Is it worth taking or should I save it for when I eventually get off bupe totally and can use it recreationally?

Not really sure. When I've tried IV oxy on buprenorphine, I was still on a 1/6mg dose or something like that 0.2mg maybe. I tried 15mg IV and had a nice blast. So a whole 30mg for you, any ROA you want, shouldn't be too bad. I would try to wait for the buprenorphine to stop effecting you first so maybe you can get a little more out of the OC. If you don't want to wait it should work just as well though.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

I also experienced the no longer enjoying alcohol thing upon becoming a consumer of opiates. At first I mixed, but soon alcohol just didn't interest me at all.
Oddly enough, not only did I lose the urge to drink to the point of drunk, I also lost the taste for alcohol at all. I actually miss it, as I really enjoyed a good microbrew or 2 for the taste.
Now I seem to have completely lost the taste for it, when before it was a passion to explore different craft beers. Oh well. Hope your drinking experience is pleasant DopeDays.

well, H is pretty ,lol ,"totalitarian" .I find myself unable to enjoy any other substances as I normally would while on Sub maintenace . In some cases it even turns into a very negative experience like if I do coke (or any other stim for that matter)while on subs ... another thing which is odd is how weed affects me these days after countless attempts at rehab , I mean , at 1st it provided relief while withrawing, same with alcohol , these days if I smoke a joint on a low or non-existant opiate dose it feels as if I'm having a bad acid trip minus the visuals ...it's THAT bad ... by my experience it takes a good couple of months without any opiates for one to recover from the changes opiates produce in your system ,it can be as bad as getting you wondering whether these changes are permanent or not.

 

[Oxymorphone]

Not really sure. When I've tried IV oxy on buprenorphine, I was still on a 1/6mg dose or something like that 0.2mg maybe. I tried 15mg IV and had a nice blast. So a whole 30mg for you, any ROA you want, shouldn't be too bad. I would try to wait for the buprenorphine to stop effecting you first so maybe you can get a little more out of the OC. If you don't want to wait it should work just as well though.

Unfortunately I have these damn 5/325s so I'll have to do a CWE, I just hope I don't lost much oxy in the process and whatever I do I can make up for by IVing. That will be tricky though, there will be a lot of water left over after the CWE and not close to concentrated enough to fill a 1CC syringe. Can I heat the solution after until most of the water evaporates?

Or should I just skip the CWE and dissolve all the pills and filter the shit out of it, I think that will take care of the apap just as well and probably be easier. I have 35mg oxy total. I just IVed .5mg bupe about half an hour ago, would waiting until tonight be enough time?

My main confusion is when the right time to dose up is. I know bupe has a half life of 30 hours or so and it will block other opiates while it is bound to the receptors. Now if I wait until I go into withdrawal I will have very few bound leaving open space for any opiate to come in and fill the space- I just think this might not be effective for getting a high since it will be getting rid of withdrawal first before going to the next level. Is there a balance with having a small amount of bupe in your system so you're not in withdrawal while still being able to get close to a full high from other opiates? What re people's experience with this. even though I take 1-3mg per day I still feel like I'm on a lot then again I think maybe what I'm worried about applies to people on doses more like 16-32mg.

Sorry I have a lot of questions, lol.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

^ If I do anything below 4mg Bupre I can still jack up dope(H) anytime and get that (at least next to)"full high".

 

[Oxymorphone]

^ If I do anything below 4mg Bupre I can still jack up dope(H) anytime and get that (at least next to)"full high".

Excellent to know. Is that 4mg sublingual? Anyone else have experience with different doses of bupe and ability to get a near full high on other opiates?

 

[fistful_of_needles]

Excellent to know. Is that 4mg sublingual? Anyone else have experience with different doses of bupe and ability to get a near full high on other opiates?

Sublingual ,yes ... I reckon ROA is irrelevant in this case ... if I do anything between 2-4mg Bupre I still can use dope anytime after without experiencing blockage ... at 4mg and/or higher doses it's just plain stupidity for me to do H since I do not get the normal high from it (when blockage becomes an issue).

This is precisely why my psychiatrist insists I stay on 4-8mg a day when I tell him that I've tapered down to 2-4mg ... he reckons it's too early for me to taper down to doses which allow me to use my DOC ,and he's right since I find myself thinking about using when I'm on low bupre doses and part of me is really determined to end this cycle which has ruined my life in a lot of ways

 

[Oxymorphone]

Sublingual ,yes ... I reckon ROA is irrelevant in this case ... if I do anything between 2-4mg Bupre I still can use dope anytime after without experiencing blockage ... at 4mg and/or higher doses it's just plain stupidity for me to do H since I do not get the normal high from it (when blockage becomes an issue).

This is precisely why my psychiatrist insists I stay on 4-8mg a day when I tell him that I've tapered down to 2-4mg ... he reckons it's too early for me to taper down to doses which allow me to use my DOC ,and he's right since I find myself thinking about using when I'm on low bupre doses and part of me is really determined to end this cycle which has ruined my life in a lot of ways

Hmmm I;ve got 35mg of percs I want to eat, just want to wait for the right time. I banged about 3mg yesterday with the last .5mg 10 hours ago. I feel perfectly fine and not close to cravinging anything or wanting more bupe which is why I wonder if it is too soon.

The 4mg threshold sound interesting, I just have a low 35mg dose of percs so I'm not sure where that will even get me with my current tolerance plus bupe in my system. I know my tolerance has had to go down in the past few months as I went off H and onto 12mg and now approx 2mg per day the last two weeks, I'm just not sure how much it has gone down and if I will be able to get a little nod on.

 

[Oxymorphone]

As far as ROA goes I think it is important since IV is 3x higher bioavailability than sublingual so even if I only took 3 that's like taking 9-10mg sublingually which would be a problem and I would want to wait a day and a half for the levels to drop in the 4 and under range. So I think I should hold back on the percs, some other input about using while on bupe would be helpful.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

As far as ROA goes I think it is important since IV is 3x higher bioavailability than sublingual so even if I only took 3 that's like taking 9-10mg sublingually which would be a problem and I would want to wait a day and a half for the levels to drop in the 4 and under range. So I think I should hold back on the percs, some other input about using while on bupe would be helpful.

yeah ,absolutely, since I only have experience with H+Bupre ... as far as Oxys an Percs etc etc go ,I wouldn't have a clue since we do not have those over here.

 

[Oxymorphone]

yeah ,absolutely, since I only have experience with H+Bupre ... as far as Oxys an Percs etc etc go ,I wouldn't have a clue since we do not have those over here.

Well it should be similar I'm just concerned I have too much in my system (around 4-7mg sublingual worth by now)

 

[firesilverlullaby]

Ive got a question about dosing. I am dependent on heroin. Yesterday afternoon I IVed about 2mg of suboxone and i had a really bad reaction i felt like i was in a dream state and was gonna pass out then started going through some bad withdrawals. So I shot up a bag of H and felt quite a bit better. I did some H about 8 Hours earlier before the sub.

Should I have just waited 24 hours until it was completely out of my system? What do you think made this happen the Nalaxone or the bup competing with the diamorphine? It was a really scary experience and i felt like i was gonna die

So if i go into precipitated withdrawal will it go away when the bup starts kickin in or will i be in withdrawals for the next couple days? also if i wait 24 hours after shooting dope should i try IV a really small dose like .5mg or 2mg like i did before??

 

[fistful_of_needles]

Well it should be similar I'm just concerned I have too much in my system (around 4-7mg sublingual worth by now)

ok , so if you have 4-7mg worth in your system by now you should wait at least 24 hours before you use any other opiates ,at least with H I wouldn't use it with that amount of Bupre in my system ,it would be pointless since the bupre would block it ... I assume Percs etc aren't a stronger agonist than H is so , the same , just wait 24 hours or more before you use for ,if not full , at least very pronounced opiate effects.

 

[fistful_of_needles]

Basically Oxy , anything above 4mg or even just 4mg is enough to block the effects of other opiates one might intend to use on the same day. At least that is how it works for me ...if you intend to use any other opiates just make sure that you do not exceed the 2mg mark(sometimes even 3-4mg is enough to spoil some other opiate I might decide to use on top of it )... anyways, after 24 hours even if I'd done ,say, 8mg I can already use H and feel it just fine.

 

[ruffneck81]

maybe someone could help me. Ive been on about 300 mgs of oxycontin per day for a while now, and i want to try and get back on suboxone however the reason why i have not gotten back on the bupe train is because im really worried that ill go through severe wds like i did the first time i tried suboxone. i was flat on my back with severe wds for over 4 days when i first tried suboxone. i was on about 400 mgs per day of oxy. i took my last oxy dose at 6.30pm, and then the next day i took a total of 16mgs of suboxone at 2pm, and that is where the hell started for days i was in the worst imaginable hell. So anyway after a month of suboxone i got back on oxy, and now i have not gotten back on suboxone because im really worried that ill go through the same thing. i cannot afford to be down for a week so i have been holding off. i have a friend that has been on suboxone, then back on oxy, and then back on suboxone i mean he doesnt even wait but maybe 2 or 4 hours after taking his last oxy dose before he starts taking suboxone again, so i just dont get it...he never went through what i did and he has the same tolerance. I would love to get back on suboxone, just not sure what the best way is right now. Id like to just take it maybe a few hours after my last dose without starting any wds, but im worried about the precip wds...i have also heard that is just for iv users, but i do not know for sure...anyone have some experience with what im talking about.

thanks