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My friend went Psychotic on Acid

Hai,

Its good to hear you guys are doing alright after that. I've had an expierence somewhat resembling that of your friends...not fun. From my personal experience I think it was the booze and weed that made him loose it. Booze n weed together already makes me feel like shit and acid on top, yikes.

When I mix bud n cid its either hit or miss as in its either the greatest trip ever or I feel like I'm fighting for my life and trying not to loose my utter sanity. (the latter I usually barely remember anything) This has made me real apprehensive about weed n cid and why I take half a usual hit if I decide to and wait about 15 mins to see where it puts me.

I did acid again because I felt I had to rewire my brain haha and after that it really felt good and thinking about the horrifying trip didn't make me feel like a terrible person for what I had said and done.
 
This story is eerily similar to something that happened to a group of friends and I a few years ago.

One of the kids slowly started to become more disconnected from reality and saying things that no one understood. This was a few hours into the trip and he had been drinking a lot apparently. I think he took 2 hits. He then started yelling and ranting and was making threats/alluding to how he could do anything and no one could stop him. We ended up having to call the police and an ambulance. Not much of a choice at that point. He was big kid (about 6'1" 200+lbs) for our ages (15-17yr olds) so there was no controlling him.

I remember the kid telling the cops to come suck his dick and resisting arrest. I am no longer friends with this person. He had a whole host of mental/emotional problems and should never have been tripping anyway. Talking to the police on 4 hits of acid is very unpleasant. The whole thing was a pretty horrifying experience actually.
 
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Delta-9-THC said:
This story is eerily similar to something that happened to a group of friends and I a few years ago.

One of the kids slowly started to become more disconnected from reality and saying things that no one understood. This was a few hours into the trip and he had been drinking a lot apparently. I think he took 2 hits. He then started yelling and ranting and was making threats/alluding to how he could do anything and no one could stop him. We ended up having to call the police and an ambulance. Not much of a choice at that point. He was big kid (about 6'1" 200+lbs) for our ages (15-17yr olds) so there was no controlling him.

I remember the kid telling the cops to come suck his dick and resisting arrest. I am no longer friends with this person. He had a whole host of mental/emotional problems and should never have been tripping anyway. Talking to the police on 4 hits of acid is very unpleasant. The whole thing was a pretty horrifying experience actually.
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I felt you as I soon as I read the word "eerie". That's exactly how it was! And because we were on Acid, we must have had a really strong sense of the abnormal or something, because we all saw it happening tiny bit by bit and it left us all very uncomfortable and anti-social for some reason. It was horrifying at the time, but there are some funny things to look back on. Like my friends say, my facial expression when I decided I'm bailing whether they are or not (I had all my shit in my hands, no shoes wearing board shorts) as I basically legged it out of the apartment. I then went on to basically push some ladies kids out of the elevator as soon as it opened. I didn't mean it though, but I knew that the quicker we do everything (like get some 5 year olds out so we can go in) the quicker we can get help and stop freaking out ourselves.

Edit: Not sure if I mentioned it, but we couldn't get our car out of the garage as we didn't have the key, and he was in no state to get us. We also had no phone there, no credit on any of our phones, so we had to basically evacuate an unknown building while tripping on acid thinking our friend was killing himself every second we weren't getting help.
 
The same thing happened with my cousin. Someone said he should go to the beach and i actually said "go to the beach look at him hes like 5 minutes from ripping his shirt off and running around naked." Sure enough we get to the beach and he runs down the street yelling "dont kill me"

We get him home after he tries breaking through the windows with his face. Several times i had to physically restrain him. Hes like 50 pounds lighter then me and when he was yelling gibberish id just tackle him to the bed and cover his mouth. Seems slightly extreme but i tried everything to rebuild him. Music had no effect it just made him more insane. I found the only thing i could do was talk to him like a 5 year old. Ask him what his favorite color was while lying in bed with him. Id have to check everything he did to make sure it wasnt harmful. Drinks, id hold his cigs so he didnt burn himself. He was there he just wasnt. Like anything could set him into a psychotic needs to be tackled state but he wanted drinks and cigs.

I was on 6 hits he was on 4. I felt like i worked in a psych ward. He thanked me greatly when he came too but everyone gets one. Next time ill seriously consider leaving his huge burden of an ass in the street crying, instead of carrying him back down stairs appologizing to all his neightbors. Talk about ackward.
 
szuko000 said:
I was on 6 hits he was on 4. I felt like i worked in a psych ward. He thanked me greatly when he came too but everyone gets one. Next time ill seriously consider leaving his huge burden of an ass in the street crying, instead of carrying him back down stairs appologizing to all his neightbors. Talk about ackward.
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Why would you ever let him have another go with any psychedelic or drug after that? It's obvious that he shouldn't be using substances.
 
i always wonder what makes this happen. Thankfully, i've never felt this way while tripping.
 
at the end of the day you should never take any psychedelic when you are in the right state of mind. Even if you dont freak out i just wont be as fun
 
Classic freakout. Don't worry, it's a good thing it happened in my opinion; people with evil shit buried, repressed deep into their unconscious do become shit people as they get older, have problems like depression etc. Psychelics are veritably fantastic aides to start on the road to purity and love. I'm very serious about that, and I don't take such a thing lightly: this may appear to have happened prematurely, and in the wrong place at the wrong time, but how are you to know when it is right?

In short this kick started his own healing process. Psychedelics really are the most wonderful aides we have in helping to purify the soul, the long road of purging one's spirit of the destructive, dischordant, the unharmonious and negative aspects of one's own reality (part of your shadow form). It can go as deep as you want to take it, the aspects of the universe are virtually limitless and boundaries semi-illusiory in nature for the dual-self.

And one more thing - you should really get past puberty before you start taking psychedelics, really.
 
emperorofusa said:
Why would you ever let him have another go with any psychedelic or drug after that? It's obvious that he shouldn't be using substances.
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Ah the scary part. It wasnt his first time. Hes had good trips in the past, and hes had them since that time. Also hes not the first person i know to have a break, the first one i witnessed first hand. Neither of the 2 people i know had it happen their first time. Its the thing thats always in the back of my mind, what if it happens to me. There seems to be little warning and no i dont trip with him anymore, more of my own decision.

All im saying is sure someone with a background of mental issues no they shouldnt trip. Dont be so quick to think its that and not some random fact eating away at them they didnt tell you. Just because they got consumed by their own thoughts once doesnt mean it will happen again or happened in the past.
 
Had to be the antidepressants. They can do stuff like that without psychedelics! Antidepressants are heavy, terrible drugs.
 
MatthewD said:
I know it can happen, but he's tripped on Acid before and been fine, and taken much heavier doses. Why was it that this time the 1 tab of Acid seemed like it was actually 100 tabs of Acid? I've been doing Psychosis research and to me it sounds like the fact he's on Antidepressants (not sure of the exact type but they are really strong ones, as he's got stronger ones several times now he said) and took Acid. Also the weed too... He said pretty much everything went down hill after he had his last cone.

Does internal bleeding in your brain also increase the risk? He's had 2 bad concussions in the past few months.

Also, he takes drugs pretty often, and I'm pretty sure he takes pills and drugs like 2C-B almost every weekend. Could withdrawals to them have added more stress/anxiety to it and caused him to snap or something?

I'm really concerned. He honestly sounded like he was going to kill himelf at one stage, and I want to be able to give him some decent advice.
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I haven't read the rest of the thread but here is my take on it.

His previous trips on acid took him into hypersensitivity. Acid makes one hypersensitive, especially the more they use it.

For me, it used to take a lot for me to trip hard. Like 10 hits. Now 1/4 with a bit of weed will have my sense of self crumbling as I expand out of my body.

Your friend became so hypersensitive that the lsd dose he took caused him to experience ego dissolution. He did not understand what was happening, obviously. If he were to have completely surrendered to the experience he would have entered a timeless fractal space. But he held on and that is what destroyed him.

If he ever wants to recover I suggest starting off with very low doses of lsd in the future, maybe months depending on how severe his condition is. By low dose i mean 1/16-1/8 of a hit, depending on the potency. This is how I overcame my lsd induced psychosis.
 
I don't think LSD causes the reverse tolerance your describing. This has not been my experience at all and I have tripped on LSD many times.

An experienced tripper might be able to have a more intense experience than an unexperienced tripper on the same dose but that is only because they are familiar with the headspace and how to work with it and not because of any developed hypersensitivity.
 
LSD most certainly doesnt cause reverse tolerance. It causes a huge tolerance for the first couple of days after its use. It sounds like you used to take 10 hits of shitty acid and then you found good acid.
 
Delta-9-THC said:
I don't think LSD causes the reverse tolerance your describing. This has not been my experience at all and I have tripped on LSD many times.
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I have tripped on LSD hundreds of times and I know what I'm talking about. It's not about reverse tolerance. It's about LSD making one hypersensitive, so less is needed, and less is more. Get it?
 
Not to mention the SSRIs probably prevented him from letting go and accepting the trip as it came. Anti-depressants have a way of making one so attached to their sense of self.
 
runtime79 said:
Had to be the antidepressants. They can do stuff like that without psychedelics! Antidepressants are heavy, terrible drugs.
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First of all, although antidepressants are insanely over-prescribed, they are absolutely crucial in helping some people with specific issues.

Secondly, pretending that these things don't happen to some people who take LSD is ludicrous if you've actually talked to enough people who are experienced. Is it brain chemistry, psychology, dose, luck, etc? Debatable, but it happens.

The willful ignorance of some people in the psychedelic community is scary. If you think you're doing these drugs some sort of a favor by hand-waving away their possible dangers, you are seriously mistaken.
 
Help?!?! said:
LSD most certainly doesnt cause reverse tolerance. It causes a huge tolerance for the first couple of days after its use. It sounds like you used to take 10 hits of shitty acid and then you found good acid.
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I know potent acid versus impotent acid. I know the difference between ALD-52 and LSD-25. Don't talk to me like you think you know me, it makes yourself look foolish.

And yes right about now I am a self-proclaimed asshole.
 
Medatripper Tates said:
I have tripped on LSD hundreds of times and I know what I'm talking about. It's not about reverse tolerance. It's about LSD making one hypersensitive, so less is needed, and less is more. Get it?
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That's kinda what reverse tolerance is. The more times you take it the less you need to get to the same place. It's a developed hypersensitivity to a drug.
 
OK... why did you say before that it doesn't cause reverse tolerance?

It causes reverse tolerance 10 fold if you have had your sense of self eliminated and your awareness spun into a timeless fractal then through a wormhole through yourself out of body.

After this kind of trip, it doesn't take much to break through.

Seems like you've been changing your mind.
 
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