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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

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oudadisworld said:
Hey so I keep hearing different stuff about IVing suboxone

I hear that it'll throw you into precipitate withdrawals, then I hear that it wont.
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The only precipitated WD's you'll get from Suboxone are when you take it too shortly after short acting opiates. If you wait long enough after a short acting opiate you will not go into precipitated WD.

Merely IVing Suboxone is not enough to get precipitated WD's.

I hear that you get good feelings from it, and I also hear there is no rush.

Anyone with experience done it and can elaborate?
Thanks!
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You "could" get good feelings from it, depends on your tolerance. As stated, if you have a low opiate tolerance you can get a high from it - as for a rush that's subjective.

If you have any sort of tolerance to opiates, don't expect to get much out of IV Suboxone.

Furthermore, we can talk about this in the Suboxone Mega Thread.

oudadisworld said:
I HATED snorting bupe - I thought that was a waste

But I feel like IV Oxy gives a small rush with a short duration. Is it similiar to that? Or is Oxy more similiar to IV Heroin?
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Snorting buprenorphine is kind of a waste. The product only has 2% buprenorphine to begin with, how much of that 2% is hitting your nasal passages is dependent on how much you're snorting.

I have never tried IV oxycodone, but oxycodone is closer to the effect of heroin than IV buprenorphine is. However, they are all somewhat close in effects, buprenorphine has the most unique effect, whereas oxycodone and heroin are very simple and straightforward. The IV buprenorphine experience is a lot like other opiates, however, for people with no/low opiate tolerance. Some people find IV buprenorphine more addictive than heroin.
 
When benzos are mixed with Suboxone, people can regress to the age of a child. I've seen it happen.

There's very strong synergism, so it's really easy to dose too high with the benzos.

We can talk about this in the Suboxone Mega Thread. We already have a thread on recreational use of Suboxone, but this is mainly about Suboxone + benzos, hence why it is merged.

-> Suboxone Mega Thread

PinezPeakZ said:
Suboxone imo seems to have little recreation value if any. Speaking from personal experance ive done full 8mg subs with a very low opiate tolerance and felt nothing. Suboxone mixed with a benzo may enchance the effects of the benzo.
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8mg is entirely too much to achieve euphoric effects. You dosed too high. More doesn't necessarily equal better with buprenorphine.

RCee said:
i've been on suboxone now for a little bit, but i only take it whenever i take breaks off heroin.. and i never got high off suboxone once, i only put it under my tounge but i still read that people get fucked up off that.. i normally take a pill or 2 a day and feel nothing but my withdrawals gone and a slight headache, how much would i have to take, like 3 of them?
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When you "get high" off of Suboxone, you are typically using less, not more.

That's also applicable for people with low opiate tolerances. For someone with an opiate tolerance, Suboxone is just a maintenance drug which will make you feel normal, better, slightly OK/good but nowhere near "high". I used to use heroin, I should know. However, I have been away from heroin for a whole year now, and I am feeling great.
 
Suboxone Withdrawals

So I've been on Suboxone since February, starting at 8mgs/day, gradually reducing to 1mg/day at the end. I stopped on 8/18 (Sunday). The WD's kicked in Monday afternoon, and seemed to peak on Tuesday evening. By peaking, I mean the hot/cold flashes/sweats, tremors, runny nose, watery eyes, creepy-crawly skin, yawning, fatigue, anxiety, nausea/vomiting, depression, insomnia. It was pretty freakin acute Tuesday night if you ask me. Yesterday (Wed) was more tolerable, but couldn't do much more than lay in bed and toss and turn. I have benzo's but I can't take them because I might be drug tested (I'm in long-term outpatient, and my caseworker is worried about a relapse). I have a bunch of Gabapentin (Neurontin) at my disposal, which has helped some.

Anyways, this morning I broke down and took just just a teeny-tiny sliver off a 1mg piece I found laying in the medicine cabinet, probably a .10mg piece at best, and it took most of my symptoms away. I am feeling pretty decent right now, and I am wondering if I just screwed myself up pretty good by doing this. I'm using the opportunity while I am feeling decent to get some more fluids and some food in my body. I mean, it was 3 full days without, but I had to get up and get my kids ready and take them to school, and I don't think I could have done it otherwise. Do you think this was a significant enough amount to start me all over again, or do you think it may actually help me. I don't plan on re-dosing again (I know, I didn't plan on dosing in the first place, I'm a fuckin junkie- whaddya expect?:\) but am concerned that I really screwed the pooch good on this one.

Thoughts?
 
i dont personally have any experience with sub but i cant imagine that taking a small dose after three days of nothing will have much of an impact. I am curious though as im probably heading toward subs myself so let us know how it goes!
 
Supeudol said:
lol.. 16mg Suboxone is not a REALLY high dosage. I am on the same dose as you. If you are coming off a big opiate habit and you start at 2mg/suboxone - that is FUCK ALL and won't even touch your withdrawals. :\

I have been on 16mg/day for awhile now, and been clean 68 days from opiates. Although I'm still on benzo's, my addiction doc is tapering me off of Clonazepam, right now I'm on 1.5mg BID for Clonazepam, lowers it about every 30 days by 0.25mg. I've tapered too fast off benzodiazepines before, with valium which is fucking stupid. Because if you have a high tolerance to benzodiazepines, Valium is not a good benzo to taper with, since it is so weak, it may have a long half life, but its actual "effect" only lasts 1-2hrs. Clonazepam has a long half life as well, and the good thing about it is that, its actual "effect" lasts more like 1-4hrs. :)

Anyway, you guys are lucky down south, because up in Canada here we have to pickup our Suboxone dose daily. They don't write scripts and just hand them out to you up here, you have to earn privledges, by remaining clean with good urine test results. Once I get some carries, I might try an Oxy again, just for the hell of up, because I can always just go right back on the Sub. At 16mg/day I still have cravings, but not severe cravings. I'm also depressed, but I've been depressed ever since I was 16 years old, so it has nothing to do with the Suboxone.

Anyways, damn I wish I lived in the U.S. sometimes, I just don't like the way the law enforcement is down there. Other than that, the U.S. blows Canada out of the fucking water (especially if you live in the praries in Canada). Weather wise, most of you in the US are so damn lucky compared to us Canadians. I'm jealous :!
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You haven't been clean off of opiates if you are on ORT. But wow, 16mg/day is a lot.

I know a guy who used bupe to kick a 2gram/day IV heroin habit. He only needed 8-12mg the first day and then he quick tapered down from there in 2 weeks I believe. He barely had any withdrawals.

BTW, you can taper off the clonazepam a little faster. I am almost finished with a clonazepam taper (I'm on .125mg/day now) and I tapered .25mg every 2 weeks. I'm sure you can do that too.
 
I think that you should try and taper more before you try and quit if you are already having such trouble. Typically the symptoms last 1-2 weeks if you jump off from 1mg. I would take .5 mg a day then try taking .5mg every other day and then try jumping off from there. The more you taper the easier it is.....Even though I am stuck at about 1.5 mgs a day right now. And i will have been on subs for 2 years this December. Yikes!
 
Generic subutex is on the shelves. Just picked up my 8mg pills from Wal greens. $2.80 per pill I think. Finally a decent price.
 
Well I IV'd 2mg of suboxone last night

5 hours after my last oxy shot.

The feelings were MUCH more intense than even my best shot of oxy, and it through me into some withdrawals.

It was kinda weird - made me very cold but only lasted about 10 minutes.

Def not doing that again!
 
^ That all depends entirely on the specifics of your insurance plan. HMO or PPO, deductible, what drugs are in their formulary (suboxone will often be a non-formulary drug, which essentially means they don't cover it), etc.


JimmyMcNulty said:
Generic subutex is on the shelves. Just picked up my 8mg pills from Wal greens. $2.80 per pill I think. Finally a decent price.
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Thank you for posting this. I use so little suboxone I never cared to shop around, but this is much cheaper than what I paid last month.
 
I got four 8mg Suboxone orangey-pink hexagons/6-sided tablets, with a line/sword/cross on one side and a "N8" on the other....

I have been on heroin daily for 6 months, black tar, plugging a half balloon a day for most of that time but the last month I've switched to shooting up maybe 3 balloons a day (200mg is what a balloon is around here, maybe 30% purity active morphine/heroin this day and age from what I read?) having a work drug test done on me I tested positive for 9300ng per ml of morphine about 12 hours after my last dose of heroin (didn't test positive for acetylmorphine)... doing about a third of what I do now (back when I was plugging a balloon a day)

...the dealer I bought these four suboxone from said start with a quarter of the pill cut up and swallowed, but it is supposed to be sublingual correct? Can I plug it? Will four pills help me get off heroin at all or through my sickness? They tell me wait 24 hours exactly to get me through WD, even 18 hours waited will otherwise just make me sick rather than feel better.

Do I have enough suboxone to help at all? What does anyone suggest from experience? I really need to get off heroin. Thanks anybody for any idea or support.
 
^Sublingual admin is the proper way to go... I'd start with a quarter (2mg) under the tongue and increase by 2mg as needed. You should need less than 8mg IMO, but I can't say that for certain, obviously.

You have plenty to last you a few days, for sure. Also, if you want to get the best absorption out of the sublingual administration, you can prime under your tongue with a bit of ethyl alcohol, or maybe even a mouthwash with alcohol. This isn't necessary, but does increase absorption to a minor to moderate degree.

Good luck.
 
The big "if" will be whether or not your doc will prescribe them. I suspect the DEA pressures docs to avoid subutex, and it remains to be seen whether the "subutex is cheaper" argument will work.
 
why do they avoid subutex because they think the naloxone actually does something??

ive found most drs only rx subutex during induction then immediately switch to the n 8's..

also why is tex more expensive it has less ingredients!
 
Well It appears 95% of sub drs. think ppl have to be on such high doses..

Just went to my new doc today.. said he would start me on 16mgs and increase to 24 if i needed it.

Asked if i could get subutex since its gone generic but he says i need the suboxone " so that the blocking agent nalaxone would be work" -lol atleast the scare tactic is working??

after going through acute detox anything more than 4mgs/pday of sub is POINTLESS... ...

but 4 is then point where most euphoria/opiate receptors are fully saturated more just makes you feel shitty negative effects


just my exprience

cant complain though
 
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