DEA Medical Marijuana Bust; Obama Lies About Ending The Raids

Man this is some complete bullshit. I really want to go to Oakland myself and start a legit marijuana business but with these stupid busts that the DEA are doing it makes it kind of hard to get everything together and hope for the best that you don't get in trouble (even though state law allows Cali residents to grow up too 6 marijuana plants at a time, it used to be more but it was lowered). Obviously a lot of people grow a lot more than 6 plants, but who the hell cares? It's fucking weed, not poppies which are used to make heroin/morphine. The DEA should be over in Iraq destroying poppy fields if they really want to put a dent AT ALL in the war on drugs, but their is so many poppy fields that destroying them would be harmful to those surrounding them (the residents) and it would destroy the economy for those who profit from growing them.

And regarding the economy in the US, in Cali, specifically Oakland and surrounding areas, I have read and seen videos that have explained that 60% of the population is somehow tied in with the marijuana growing, not just the people who are growing, but stores that sell supplies etc... If they were to completely stop the marijuana growing in Cali (specifically Oakland like I said) the economy would fall completely (which was much better explained in a special I saw on I think NBC or something recently).

Fuck the war on drugs, fuck the DEA, and fuck Reagan for starting this bullshit.

-dp
 
Do we know that Obama ordered this? I doubt he did. Its not like he signs off on every raid. The DEA operates with alot of autonomy and was given even more under Bush and Friends.

Also, it is fucked up, but what are the laws regarding this? Is it legal to grow that many plants? If not, then surely some fault should be with the grower. He was knowing breaking the law, and this doesn't reflect well on growers. Doesn't seem like they raided the dispensary either.

Every time a raid happens these articles are written. Again, its not like Obama is sitting in his office ordering these raids, at the very least the guy simply doesn't have the time. However, Eric Holder should reign in the DEA, he has already been critical of them. Instead of calling Obama a liar in a situation in which he most likely had very little, if any involvement in, start demanding that he clean house and get rid of the old Bush appointed people running the DEA. That is the major problem

This information should get out to the public, but don't sensationalize it. Its not necessary.

Personally I would be upset if Obama was sitting focusing on DEA raids of 150 plant fields or legalizing marijuana... I'd much rather have him focus on things like Health Care, the two wars he inherited, the economy, the crippling poverty many are facing, families living on the street etc. I occasionally smoke marijuana and am in favor of legalizing it. But to demand that Obama focus on legalizing it in the crisis that this nation is in comes off as both greedy and childish. Do I want it to happen? Yes. Will it eventually? Yes. People are struggling to feed there families right now... you think they give two shits about marijuana legalization right now?
 
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Ason Unique said:
Alot of people voted for Obama because he was black, but I think he's better than having John McCain atleast. Lots of blacks were going fucking crazy when he won lol, most of them don't even know shit about politics and just voted for him..
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I was a volunteer on the Obama campaign, I was also involved in his Senatorial Campaign. I have meet many Obama supporters of all types. I have never met a single one who voted for him because of his race. It was not just African Americans celebrating, many people were happy. We finally were rid of one of the worst Presidents in the history of this country. A ground breaking and historically unprecedented event occurred. It was one of my proudest moments as an American.

Plenty of people on both sides "don't even know shit about politics" which leads me to the next post...


Huaca said:
There is nothing wrong with being black (or mixed race like Obama). In fact, Alan Keyes who is black would have been a great president. But a president like Obama who is an anti-American, globalist, Marxist tyrant with hatred for the Constitution should be impeached.
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Keyes is a hardcore bible thumping extreme christian social conservative. He is as radical as they come. I live in Illinois and had to deal with this joke of a human being far too long during the senatorial race (Keyes carpetbagged his way into the race and made a mockery of himself). He spews hatred of people of other faiths, homosexuals, people who live alternative lifestyles... I could go on. He even wrote off his own daughter simply because she is a lesbian.

The rest of your post is idiocy plain and simple. This nation needs real political discourse, not goofy ass paranoia with no basis in fact.

I challenge you to prove any of your comments as true.

Here is a start: You do understand that Marxism is at its core control of the means of production by the working class don't you? We are nowhere near that.

Obama taught Constitutional Law at University of Chicago, yet you claim he "hates the constitution"....

Again, Obama deserves some criticism, I proudly voted for him but you better believe I will hold him accountable. You add nothing. In fact, comments like those you just made deter people from actually working on solving real problems.

By the way, Obama is the most progressive president we have ever had in regards to the Drug War, bar none.

Huaca said:
I would have preferred Ron Paul.
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What a surprise 8)

How in the hell can you support a supposed "libertarian" candidate but then also state that Alan Keyes, a major neo-conservative, would make a "great President". Can you give an example of how he "respects the constitution"? He views the US as a "Christian Nation" (as does Ron Paul) that certainly isn't respecting the separation of Church and State. That is in the first amendment and is one of the basic principles of our nation.

You do realize that the statements you made are the reason why very few people took Ron Paul seriously. Of course Paul coddled the paranoid conspiracy theorists so alot of the blame rests with him.

StaffWriter said:
That "ancient document" you call our Constitution allows you all the freedoms you have today. It's what they call a living document and can apply to todays standards just as well as 200 some odd years ago.
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That same document also considered African Americans property and did not consider them human beings. The Constitution is very important, but it is not the only thing "allows us all our Freedoms". For example: Brave African Americans and their supporters marched in the streets, who were beaten and assaulted, are the ones that forced Congress to sign the Civil Rights Act of 64. Which granted equal rights to minorities. These people "brought us freedom".

The Constitution created a great base when it comes to civil rights, but is certainly not infallible. That is what is great about Democracy, we can adjust to changes in society as needed. However, real change and protecting "freedom" comes from direct action by people like you and me, not some piece of paper.
 
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the only reason the DEA get all gung-ho about pot is because it's still a scheduled drug in the eyes of the fed. now, if these growers were simply growing for other authorized users then that's ok. he/she can get away with it because everyone is duly compensated. the moment a side deal is being done with medication and uncle sam doesn't get his cut, he is going to come full swingin' making sure he gets what's his.

another grower bites the dust. big whoop. it's california. everyone will grow. everyone will always smoke.

what is actually needed are SMART individuals that will know precisely who is safe to do business with.
 
phactor is my new hero. With that being said...

The way I read the article would make it appear that our legal growers decided to sell some of their product illegally. Of course, I may be reading it wrong.
 
CyberShaman said:
phactor is my new hero. With that being said...

The way I read the article would make it appear that our legal growers decided to sell some of their product illegally. Of course, I may be reading it wrong.
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Thus, in all probability violating state and federal laws and disqualifying the thread's headline. But it sure is one hell of an attention grabbing post!8)

Producing or buying MJ with no intent to redistribute is easy done in California and 99.99% of the time LE isn't going blink at you

If you want to get in to the 'for-profit' MJ industry you are going to run in to trouble from people on both sides of the law. Especially when the big money starts rolling in and your operations expands. In-fact, you'll probably have to pay off organized crime for protection if you start cutting in to the profits of the wrong people. What makes it potentially worse is the Feds sure aren't going to want to help you - even if they could.

*see prohibition

Hopefully CA legalizes, regulates, and taxes it soon. We need the money.
 
mystik43 said:
the only reason the DEA get all gung-ho about pot is because it's still a scheduled drug in the eyes of the fed. now, if these growers were simply growing for other authorized users then that's ok. he/she can get away with it because everyone is duly compensated. the moment a side deal is being done with medication and uncle sam doesn't get his cut, he is going to come full swingin' making sure he gets what's his.
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Gotta disagree, I do not think the state of California is taxing medical marijuana sales, even if they are the federal government isn't getting paid for it. So I find this reasoning hard to believe. Now, if I am wrong please or have misinterpreted your statement then please correct me. From what I understand, Arnold is toying with the idea of legalizing Marijuana so he can tax the sales. Also, it needs to be pointed out that Arnold has said that he is thinking about this. Do you think he would have under Bush? Hell no.

Of course the possibility exists that the Federal government could legalize marijuana and tax it, I hope they do and honestly do not think its to far away. Otherwise, I think we will see states start to do it and I doubt the Obama administration would use federal power to intervene. As I and others have stated earlier, California is openly talking about it. My state of Illinois is in a less serious but similar position to California and god knows we need the money.

These raids happen because the DEA operates independently and contains alot of Bush holdovers. I'm sure when these raids happen it pisses of the federal government, because they are acting directly against the wishes of the Obama administration. But again, the Obama administration has way bigger issues to deal with. They will not waste much time focusing on a few DEA agents acting against the admins intentions.

All in all, articles like these do more harm then good to the movement. It lacks research, insight and an understanding of the law. Its ironic, but stopthedrugwar.com is doing a disservice to the harm reduction community.

Personally, I feel like alot of these articles started appearing after Ron Paul's campaign, I hate that many anti drug war campaigns have now been infused with a libertarian slant. The majority of the population (including myself) are far from libertarians. I live in one of America's poorest cities with very high unemployment, Libertarianism/"anti tax" sentiments (aka disenfranchised Republicans) these systems of thought offers people in my position nothing, in fact they would make it even that much harder to survive.

Plus I am a social worker, my work depends on funding for social services, but that is just me.
 
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tweaky said:
I can't believe there are some people that haven't realized that Barack Obama is a habitual liar.

and calling people racist for not liking what he does is getting really old.
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No one's calling anyone racist for not liking what he does.

Those people are being called racist because they're...well, racist! 8)
 
Obama is a fascist puppet of the New World Order and Wall Street. He has lied about everything else so this should hardly be surprising. And yes he is a muslim, was born one but converted for obvious reasons!! His middle name is Hussain for gods sake ofcourse hes a muslim!!
Google Obama Larry Sinclair ! There is a good chance he is a gay crack head as well!!
 
and watch The Obama Conspiracy by Alex Jones before you start babling about 'change', racism, yes we can etc...
 
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