DEA Medical Marijuana Bust; Obama Lies About Ending The Raids

Its not like the president knows about all DEA busts.
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One of the most ridiculously evil things about the DEA is that it operates virtually outside of presidential, legislative or other authorities' domains (even other federal law enforcement agencies). As established by Nixon, it is essentially a para-military force given full rein to wage military action against citizens of US, with troops operating on US soil. The very existence of the DEA and its autonomy in executing domestic military strikes against US citizens is unconstitutional.

Oh, and, yes, while I had some hope for Obama (although, being a realist, not as much hope as others), the sad truth is that it doesn't particularly matter what he says, corporate interests, Congress, lobbyists, federal bureaucrats, et al. are absolutely fucking hell-bent in ensuring that nothing ever changes and nothing ever improves. For example:

(1) Obama immediately calls for the disbanding of Guantanamo and other illegal secret "MK Ultra"-style psychological warfare (i.e. interrogation) prisons. The reality: Congress shitcans the entire plan, burring every single possible step towards closing the facilities in mountains of red-tape, ensuring that the entire bit ends up as nothing but lip-service.

(2) Obama wants real health care reform, finally with a bit of logic and a public health option (like the rest of the developed world). The reality: corporate interests and their puppets in Congress block every single meaningful bit of forward progress and successfully wage a propaganda war ensuring that whatever bill emerges will be a castrated, watered-down pile of bullshit and corporate hand-outs.

And sadly, more will tally up. It seems to me that the possibility of real progress only begins to emerge after all of the current (Baby-Boomer and older) generation of federal officials are finally dead in the ground.
 
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You guys need to a little more level headed and realize that politics in America is about BS. Otherwise you don't get elected into positions of power.

I am pretty confident that Obama understands that MJ isn't that big of deal. But he also understands that supporting pro-MJ policies is very close to political suicide, especially with the economy being weak and his problems with getting a comprehensive healthcare bill passed. The MJ issue is not important for him. People who are pro-MJ don't vote and they are relatively powerless compared to groups like Goldman Sachs.

What are you going to focus on: healthcare or helping "a bunch of lazy stoners"?

P.S. I am pro-weed/MDMA/psychedelics and all that, but I also try to be realistic. Being idealistic has simply caused way too much disappointment.
 
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You guys need to a little more level headed and realize that politics in America is about BS. Otherwise you don't get elected into positions of power.

I am pretty confident that Obama understands that MJ a isn't that big of deal. But he also understands that supporting pro-MJ policies is very close to political suicide.
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All great points. While Obama is a seemingly decent human being, he is, more than anything else, a politician. And all (successful) modern politicians have the same top goal: do and say whatever it takes to be re-elected. Bullshit and politics are practically synonyms, which is why, despite the fact that I happen to respect President Obama as a highly intelligent individual, I didn't expect things to suddenly and miraculously change. Money fuels human action and underlies human motive--and there is way too much fucking money invested in perpetuating the status quo for one single person to catalyze change, no matter what his title happens to be.
 
Real "change" (this word gets tossed around a lot) would probably occur in the second term or right at the end of his first... IMO.
 
Why do we have to tip toe around Obama just because he's black? I don't like the motherfucker because he comes from the corrupt political machine right outta Chicago. How else do you think he got elected? He is creating "change". The administration's agenda was to turn this country towards the left, and that's exactly what he did. I don't like it and a lot of people who actually voted for him don't like it either. And I don't have to preface anything with "I respect him because I think he's a highly intellectual individual". He's a puppet for the left. If this happened under Bush, BL would hang him in effigy. That's the bullshit.
 
There is nothing wrong with being black (or mixed race like Obama). In fact, Alan Keyes who is black would have been a great president. But a president like Obama who is an anti-American, globalist, Marxist tyrant with hatred for the Constitution should be impeached. All the laws and government agencies created since Grover Cleveland left office should be abolished. Our worst presidents were Wilson, FDR, Johnson and Carter. But Obama is going to out-stink all of them. A socialist welfare state is not what our founding fathers intended. Far from it.

It took a revolution to make America a free country. This may happen again. History often repeats itself. Federal decriminalization of marijuana is coming, maybe in the next few years. George Soros (one of the puppet masters) is pushing for it. But first they have to finish robbing the US Treasury and taking over private corporations and private property (your property). Maybe when the middle class becomes a poor class of serfs/slaves they can be pacified with legal cannabis.

The global elite who want total power and control and are willing to destroy free civilizations to achieve their goals. I really don't see much hope for America ever being a free Constitional Republic again. The corruption is too pervasive in government. The masses are too thoroughly brainwashed by the schools and media. Obama's puppet masters have a goal for the world: DYSTOPIA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopia

It's really a shame. What made America great was personal freedom and small government. Now government wants to be our mommy and daddy and control every aspect of our lives. The only hope is for the US states to secede from the Union. The Federal government will wither and die with no tax money coming in. This won't happen though. Martial law would be declared and federal troops would be deployed throughout the country.

I hope I'm wrong, but the future for the free world is not very good. In the meantime, "smoke 'em if you got 'em".
 
the dea is so fucked up. And then they glamorize it with a tv show on spike where dea agents go out and get "bad guys". fuck nixon. fuck anyone who thinks of the dea as "good guys" and drug users/dealers as "bad guys". this isn't fucking cowboys and indians...well actually...:\
 
Whether or not you are wearing a tinfoil hat with respect to your beliefs about Obama, one thing that be universally agreed upon (regardless of political affiliation) is: there are no true friends of the resistance in American politics (perhaps maybe Ron Paul). Calls (and efforts) to end the drug war are political suicide.
 
Typical power-mongering. No one outside of the pro-ganja element of society would give a shit if Obama fired everyone in the DEA and stopped the raids immediately. They probably wouldn't even hear about it.
 
^^ I was just trying to make a point that I am not racist for rejecting Obama. At least Keyes respects the Constitution as the supreme law of the land which places limits on government power and guarantees and protects our natural rights. Even the US Supreme Court doesn't base its decisions on the Constitution anymore. At least Keyes wouldn't turn America into communist third world country like Obama is doing. I would have preferred Ron Paul. But no matter, the elite puppet masters wanted a commie and they picked Obama. I am afraid they have enough power now to do what they want.
 
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One of the most ridiculously evil things about the DEA is that it operates virtually outside of presidential, legislative or other authorities' domains (even other federal law enforcement agencies). As established by Nixon, it is essentially a para-military force given full rein to wage military action against citizens of US, with troops operating on US soil. The very existence of the DEA and its autonomy in executing domestic military strikes against US citizens is unconstitutional.
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Absolutely. I said something similar in a recent thread:

It's a glorified death squad. You are right that the DEA doesn't often murder American citizens at home; they leave that to their close allies and partners in crime the local Narcotics Task Forces; the black clothed, bulletproof vest, riot helmet wearing paramilitary troops that storm private homes with no-knock warrants and murder whole families for simple possesion or 'suspected trafficking'. .

It is absurd to think that a shadowy, part-Operation Gladio, part-John Birch Society, part-Gestapo, part-Blackwater shadow intelligence, police and military faction with strong ideological background is operating globally- with access and free reign to order around local and national police, militia, military, air force, navy and all sectors of the civil service in almost any country they want.

Evidence is easy to manufacture or plant, deaths are easy to cover up, hundreds of billions of dollars can be made, personal agendas can be fulfilled on a whim.

They are a danger to the stability and well being of the world. It wasn't too long ago that they announced the DEA is sending 50+ additional agents to Afghanistan. I wonder how many "towelhead junkies" each one has to kill to earn their "Onward Christian Soldiers" merit badge?
 
Huaca said:
There is nothing wrong with being black (or mixed race like Obama). In fact, Alan Keyes who is black would have been a great president. But a president like Obama who is an anti-American, globalist, Marxist tyrant with hatred for the Constitution should be impeached. All the laws and government agencies created since Grover Cleveland left office should be abolished. Our worst presidents were Wilson, FDR, Johnson and Carter. But Obama is going to out-stink all of them. A socialist welfare state is not what our founding fathers intended. Far from it.
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Marxist? Do you even understand what that word means? Hatred for the constitution? Man, you sound pretty delusional. So anyone who doesn't agree with your convoluted/bigoted notion of good is Marxist, Anti-American tyrant? Damn dude, you just need add Nazis to the list. It will make you sound really smart. I think Marxist-Nazi fusion idea would work really well for you. Think about it, Obama is a communist tyrant who hates freedom. Nazi are tyrants, while communists hate freedom. That would make Obama a Marxist Nazi! ;)

Do you even understand globalization? Do you understand that without political integration, our current regulatory regime will fail in face of massive liberalization of trade and currency movement? Do you even understand that many right wing economists agree that you cannot think just nationally anymore? Are so unable think for yourself that all you can do is use stupid catch phrases like globalist, Marxist and welfare state? Globalization is a much more complex issue than simply saying NATO/UN is evil.

The founding father lived more than 250 years ago. Things are a lot complex than they were back in those days. Do you realize that the constitution isn't a magical piece of paper that will kill all the pinko-liberal-commies and give a butt plug, an M16 and a nude Ron Paul poster to every "freedom loving American".

The success of America above all things has been founded on pragmatism. That means doing the right thing in the right situation. Okay we got it, you hate pinko-commie-liberals. "Since FDR was a pinko-commie-liberal, that makes him the worst president in history." Dude, do you even understand how stupid that kind of logic makes you sound? Do you realize what was happening during the time of FDR presidency? Even if you don't agree with his economic policies, are you simply not capable of understanding the psychological impact of his policies and the necessities of umm WW2 (check it out, I personally think this event has slightly more importance than Ron Paul's new "Freedom begins with the execution of everyone all communists who work in the UN" book)?

I think it's funny that many people like you are so much like Al Queda and the "communists" that you hate. There is not much difference between you and them. They believe in one absolute truth, be it Marx or the Quaran and you believe in another "absolute truth" (anyone who support anything that is even remotely socialist is a Marxist, anti-American). Socialism is not bad word. What do you think health insurance is? or food stamps? Or you so out of touch that you think abolishing food stamps because its "socialist" in nature will be a net benefit to society (that includes competition and lack of crime).

I doubt I will make you see the error of your ways. You are obviously a delusional, insecure, bigot. Well at least I had a good time making fun of your sorry face. Have fun with your new Ron Paul poster! =D
 
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it doesn't sound like Obama is going against what he originally said. I think the DEA is much more to blame for this then he is. I'd be surprised if he even knew this operation was taking place in the first place. Its not like the president knows about all DEA busts.
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qft

People tend to focus on Obama way too much when they see something they dont like. The president is not some omnipresent director of the government. I hope when the current shitstorm subsides he will turn his attention to other issues like the DEA, but for now I think he's got enough to worry about and doesnt need to be running to the rescue of medical marijuana patients every time the DEA busts someone.

That being said, fuck the DEA.
 
I'm not pro or anti Obama, I just want whats best for our country, but people need to stop with all this shit about respecting and adhering to the constitution. That piece of paper was written hundreds of years ago when everything was probably a lot more simple and to say that all our current and future policies should adhere to and follow the constitution is ridiculous in my opinion. Times have changed and everything has become a lot more complex and complicated to be relying on some ancient document written by people who would be pretty irrelevant to today's problems. Just my opinion on a tough topic.
 
The constituion still sounds like it was for personal freedom and liberties, I think use of cannabis and other drugs falls under this.

Ron Paul sounded like the best canidate to me, I would of voted for him.
 
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