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The Big & Dandy Nootropics Thread

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Recently started this stuff. My current stack is:

Morning:

~2.5g of piracetam
2400mg of lecithin (capsules)
1000mg L-Tyrosine
180mg ginkgo biloba extract
I'll take some 5-HTP or L-Tryptophan if I want it but it isn't in my daily regimen.
stuff I've always taken:
Multivitamin
1000mg Vitamin C
2000mg Wild Alaskan Salmon Fish Oil (capsules)

Afternoon:

~2.5g Piracetam
2400mg Lecithin

I'm planning on adding in Hydergine (ergoloid mesylates), centrophenoxine, and (sporadically) phenibut soon.

I find this stuff really helps out my mind. It definitely has anti-depressant/anti-anxiety effects and also makes reading or other intellectual tasks much faster and sharper.

It certainly potentiates and gives methylone a more meaningful effect. Also extends duration and eliminates after-effects. I'm looking forward to trying out other psychedelics with this phenomenon. :)
 
Yeah, probably. Seems to be kinda "speedy" too. If I keep going at this rate it might wear me out. I'll cut it down a bit. I think I might take a 2.5 gram dose when combining with empathogens/psychedelics for potentiation but I plan to cut down on the daily dose.

It's funny; the label on the side of the tub says: Take 2400mg 3-4 times per day 8)
 
Revisiting a great thread . . .

I have considerably reduced my stack of all sorts of food supplements as I am more and more moving away from a way of looking at myself as deficient in any way. And the more I focus on wholeness and well-being the more I find that perhaps I do not need all that much, especially if my diet is good and my activities exhilarating rather than exhausting.

That said, I still do take supplements, and I also still take nootropics, but I have stopped most of them... no more vinpocetine, no more 'racetams, no more hydergine.

I do, however, have a penchant for MODAFINIL and CENTROPHENOXINE. Both of these really suit me at very low doses, and I find them extremely efficient. I use Modafinil at 30-90mg a day roughly (intranasally, bulk powder) and I use centrophenoxine at 125-250mg a day. I go though phases of using daily, even combining them, but i make sure there are days when i don't use.

I wouldn't want to go through life without them at the moment, as I have taken up studying again, and it really helps with focusing and enjoyment and everything. Most people in my social circle who have tried modafinil don't rate it much, they just think it's a crappy stim that just wakes them up and either just leaves their mood unaffected or even irritates them... but I REALLY enjoy it, as it wakes me up I get an anxiety-free high (at these low doses anyway) that makes me alert, focused, sharp, yet calm and quite serene. It's like I found my drug... though I do wonder about health consequences with long-term use. With centrophenoxine, on the other hand, I have a hunch it may be truly health-enhancing somehow, what with the studies made on it. And it feels even more "natural" than modafinil, more like the feeling comes from within me... hard to explain, I am just more me.... whereas modafinil kind of switches off any kind of brain fuzz and senseless circular interior monologues, centrophenoxine seems to provide me with an inner strength and glow of some sort. With either drug, however, enough is enough, and if I overdo the dose, I can get a bit tense.

Would love to hear of others' experiences with those two compounds.
 
Hey there Ximot! :) Nice to see you post.

I've had pretty extensive experience with both centrophenoxine and modafinil. I've always liked centro, although I'm not sure I've ever taken it by itself, without piracetam. I find it subtle but it definitely gives me a boost.

A couple of years back I was prescribed modafinil because I was having trouble staying awake during the day, even while driving and other similarly important activities like work - turns out it was because I was tripping too much to get enough sleep for an extended period of time... They were 200mg pills. At first I would take one and not really feel it, and if I took 2 I would stay awake easier. But then once I rested and recovered completely and started living more healthfully, I found that taking 50-100mg would create a very nice, light high. Any more than that and I would get anxious. But within the good dosage range, it created a light feeling of being high, with a boost in motivation and increase in speed of thoughts, but all very "soberly" if that makes sense. I wish I was still prescribed it... it was nice.

I, too, don't use nootropics or supplements nearly as much as I used to. I used to use them every day without fail, but now I use them just when I feel a need. If I'm feeling cloudy and unmotivated, I'll take a dose of piracetam, maybe with some centrophenoxine. I have found a place to get bulk gotu kola leaves, and I make teas out of that. And of course a daily multivitamin.
 
This week I will be receiving:
- phenethylamine
- GABA
- L-tyrosine
- piracetam
- phenibut

I am already taking multivitamins, fish oil, lecithin, korean ginseng, echinacea, Q-10 and selenium.
...used to take L-theanine until I ran out and LOVED it to pieces <3
modafinil is great but I haven't used it in a while because it gives you alertness and not energy which is actually what I lack.
Somehow I suspect chronic dopamine depletion plus anxiety.

Took 1 g of piracetam once and it was the fastest I ever lived, not even all that speedy per say but my actions and thoughts cooperation to achieve nearly total efficiency!!
Gave my best friend 1 g and he liked it a lot as well, there was only 1 g left and my mom has it now... She's still figuring out if she wants to try it and if she does she will think about a regimen for Alzheimers prevention and stuff, plasticity sustainment.
 
My most current (and probably most efficient) regimen:

Morning:

(Multi Vitamin Blend)
MHP Activite Sport - 1
Optimum Opti-Men - 1

Scoop SNS Focus XT - 1 scoop
Fish Flax Borage Oil - 2
Piracetam - 2 g

Night:

Aniracetam - 1 g
Liv.52 - 1
ClearLungs - 2

Once a week (alternate between supplements every other week):

Hi-Tech Somatomax - 1 scoop
Phenibut XT - 3-4 grams
 
If you love music more than anything on earh and you are crazy psychedelic audiophile,then I highly recommend using piracetam with serotonin psychedelics.
 
Solipsis, phenibut is great if you find the right dose, but be careful because it can be habit-forming... I find it kind of like a much subtler version of GHB that has a strange "sore" element to the body high if you go slightly too high with the dose, and that lasts way longer. Also if you use it daily you can become physically dependent.
 
Yeah thanks I will watch out for that and use constant resting periods with phenibut.
I've tried it for the first time some 3 hours ago (at 200 mg) and it is subtly noticeable. I really appreciate it! Best to moderate with this stuff so that it will stay valuable and not turn on me.
It's likely I will alternate phenibut supplementation with the other stuff I got. Phenibut antagonizes PEA anyway so I have to keep those seperate anyway...

Hopefully I'm one of those people who seem to get some GABA across the BBB - I read that chronically stressed people are far more likely to have some BBB permeability which might be the reason why GABA works for some and not for others.

Piracetam has already proven itself to me in an earlier trial which is why I am very pleased to have some stocked now! <3
I have lecithin gels to support the piracetams action, does anyone know how much lecithin is enough not to crash with piracetam?
 
Xorkoth said:
Solipsis, phenibut is great if you find the right dose, but be careful because it can be habit-forming... I find it kind of like a much subtler version of GHB that has a strange "sore" element to the body high if you go slightly too high with the dose, and that lasts way longer. Also if you use it daily you can become physically dependent.
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I beg to differ, Phenibut doesn't really seem possible to be habit forming. In its higher dosages, it pretty much knocks you out and makes you go to sleep. In its lower dosages, its effects are barely noticeable besides of course the anxiolytic properties.

I really doubt anyone getting "addicted" to this supplement. It isn't the most desirable supplement, it doesn't do anything other than what it is supposed to do; make you less anxious or help you go to sleep. I do not see the potential for abuse in this supplement at all...
 
I disagree completely. Phenibut has significant relaxation and mood elevating properties for me.

I could see how it could become addictive. The one thing that may stop people from becoming addicted to it is that it forms tolerance very quick and the hangover is atrocious.

If I go over 2 grams I am seriously regretting it the next day. I don't even wanna know what the WD would be like.

I don't even find it's anti-anxiety properties that effective. At least not for the type of anxiety I am prone to. It works for generalized anxiety but not for specific situations like social anxiety.

It is pretty effective at giving a good nights sleep but I like to use it as a writing tool. It puts me in a very relaxed clear headed mood that I find very conducive to creativity. It is also good for playing music and improvising.
 
^ Agreed. It can feel nice, and can be anxiolytic but there's also a bit of an edge to it. I remember reading something about dopamine or PEA being involved or something of that sort.

It is relaxing in a way but tolerance does build fast and when I stop I feel like shit.

It has it's place, but don't go overboard with it.
 
edit out since I did not take the time to read this thread/research thoroughly enough. Thanks.
 
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For those of you who have used phenibut, have you found it useful for sleep? Also, is there any functional differency between choline citrate and bitartrate? Have you found alpha-GPC more or less useful than choline?
 
I think it can be useful for sleep. I haven't really used it for that but I have noticed that at times it has made me quite sleepy.

The problem is that it takes about 3 hours to fully kick in so plan accordingly if you want to try it out. It does last fairly long though so I think that it could be pretty useful for getting a full nights sleep.
 
BiG StroOnZ said:
I beg to differ, Phenibut doesn't really seem possible to be habit forming. In its higher dosages, it pretty much knocks you out and makes you go to sleep. In its lower dosages, its effects are barely noticeable besides of course the anxiolytic properties.

I really doubt anyone getting "addicted" to this supplement. It isn't the most desirable supplement, it doesn't do anything other than what it is supposed to do; make you less anxious or help you go to sleep. I do not see the potential for abuse in this supplement at all...
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That's not my experience whatsoever. Well, it was the first few times I used it. I found it difficult to get the dosage just right, which is required for the best effects. Now I'm pretty good at it. Too high a dose and it knocks me out and feels overwhelmingly sedating and kind of gross. Too little and it's barely noticeable. But just right and it makes me feel almost too euphoric... like one of the best euphorias I've had from any drug. No joke. It makes me want to talk and talk and talk, and move around a lot. It's strongly anti-anxiety just because it makes me feel so good and happy... no room left for anxiety. It's not anti-anxiety like a benzo where it feels like there's a wall between you and your anxiety.

I did it every day for like almost a year, ending a year ago, and when I stopped I spent a week in extreme anxiety and restlessness, and another week with residual unpleasantness. So it's definitely possible to become addicted.

Actually, Shambles said this to me, apparently where he's from, phenibut is known for being a good drug to wean off of GHB with, but it's known for being even more addictive. I find that odd, as to me it's nowhere near as addictive as GHB, but my point is only that an entire culture of drug users seem to find it quite addictive and even dangerous (is this correct, Shambles?).

Transcendence said:
For those of you who have used phenibut, have you found it useful for sleep? Also, is there any functional differency between choline citrate and bitartrate? Have you found alpha-GPC more or less useful than choline?
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I don't find it particularly useful for sleep. Not only does it take a long time to fully reach effects, but unless I dose too high, it doesn't make me tired. When I have a good dose of phenibut, I actually feel more awake and I want to do stuff. If I have too high a dose, I definitely want to pass out and have a hard time staying awake, but it's because I feel all heavy and achey, sort of like being too drunk but without the mental cloudiness (aside from that which being tired produces), and I feel all hung over the whole next day, in a bad way.

At the proper dose there is no unpleasantness of any kind nor a hangover, but as I said it's not ideal for sleep.

phenibut antagonizes PEA
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Really? I heard it has some structural similarities to PEA or something. But I use it in combination with a number of PEAs and it definitely works that way.
 
Delta-9-THC said:
I disagree completely. Phenibut has significant relaxation and mood elevating properties for me.

I could see how it could become addictive. The one thing that may stop people from becoming addicted to it is that it forms tolerance very quick and the hangover is atrocious.

If I go over 2 grams I am seriously regretting it the next day. I don't even wanna know what the WD would be like.

I don't even find it's anti-anxiety properties that effective. At least not for the type of anxiety I am prone to. It works for generalized anxiety but not for specific situations like social anxiety.

It is pretty effective at giving a good nights sleep but I like to use it as a writing tool. It puts me in a very relaxed clear headed mood that I find very conducive to creativity. It is also good for playing music and improvising.
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uniter said:
^ Agreed. It can feel nice, and can be anxiolytic but there's also a bit of an edge to it. I remember reading something about dopamine or PEA being involved or something of that sort.

It is relaxing in a way but tolerance does build fast and when I stop I feel like shit.

It has it's place, but don't go overboard with it.
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Xorkoth said:
That's not my experience whatsoever. Well, it was the first few times I used it. I found it difficult to get the dosage just right, which is required for the best effects. Now I'm pretty good at it. Too high a dose and it knocks me out and feels overwhelmingly sedating and kind of gross. Too little and it's barely noticeable. But just right and it makes me feel almost too euphoric... like one of the best euphorias I've had from any drug. No joke. It makes me want to talk and talk and talk, and move around a lot. It's strongly anti-anxiety just because it makes me feel so good and happy... no room left for anxiety. It's not anti-anxiety like a benzo where it feels like there's a wall between you and your anxiety.

I did it every day for like almost a year, ending a year ago, and when I stopped I spent a week in extreme anxiety and restlessness, and another week with residual unpleasantness. So it's definitely possible to become addicted.

Actually, Shambles said this to me, apparently where he's from, phenibut is known for being a good drug to wean off of GHB with, but it's known for being even more addictive. I find that odd, as to me it's nowhere near as addictive as GHB, but my point is only that an entire culture of drug users seem to find it quite addictive and even dangerous (is this correct, Shambles?).



I don't find it particularly useful for sleep. Not only does it take a long time to fully reach effects, but unless I dose too high, it doesn't make me tired. When I have a good dose of phenibut, I actually feel more awake and I want to do stuff. If I have too high a dose, I definitely want to pass out and have a hard time staying awake, but it's because I feel all heavy and achey, sort of like being too drunk but without the mental cloudiness (aside from that which being tired produces), and I feel all hung over the whole next day, in a bad way.

At the proper dose there is no unpleasantness of any kind nor a hangover, but as I said it's not ideal for sleep.
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I guess it's a YYMV thing :)
 
Psychedelic... WTF.

My stack
modafinil: 100mg-200mg/ day
piracetam: 1 gram/ 3 times a day
L-huperzine A: 200ug/ once a day
pegnenolone: 5mg sublingual/ once a day
dim 45mg/ day
omega3's: 2 grams of epa/ 1 gram of dha, per day
deprenyl citrate 1mg/ day
metformin 850mg/ twice a day
aminoguanidine 75mg/ twice a day
creatine 5 grams/ day
phenibut 5 grams/ twice a day (got to get control of this)
melatonin 1.5mg at bed time
 
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