The Big & Dandy N,N-DMT Extraction Thread - Elves are watching

[tylerwashere]

i didnt test mine either, i put in 1g per and then added 10g extra. worked out well

 

[kaosisallwesee]

hey
i dont know if this is in the right place but its the only thread i thought it would fit in ,,, what does it hean when my naptha is hydrodesulfurized heavy??
tried searching but couldnt quite get my head around it
thanks for any answers
peace

 

[dread]

It means you can't use it for precipitation, you'll need to evaporate it.

 

[scattered_raver]

Can anyone help with SWIM's spice?

Its his second attempt, the first was a learning experience..
He used about 400g of Acacia, with 2 Xylene pulls, netting almost a litre of solvent (He used far too much).

After nearly a week of evaporating (he said hes NEVER using xylene again unless its for jungle lol) there is a layer of very thick, oily substance left, and he can see lots of miniscual dots when the light hits it. Has he done everything right? Does he just need to wait another few days on the evap?
Also during evaporation he also got a bit of dirt, dust, general shit in ><, whats the easy way to get this out? Swim was also thinking doing a re-x with naptha when possible.

Basic STB tek was used, bark soaked for about an hour in lye, 10-15 min pulls.
Also should he have done a de-fat because it was acacia not MHRB?

Cheers :D

 

[Solipsis]

You should at least be able to get the dust and stuff out by redissolving it in some xylene or naphtha (it depends, I'll explain later), make it a little warm if you don't want to get too big a volume but be sure it is all liquid and not chunky with goo or oils, then filter it over a coffee filter or over cotton balls. By mechanically filtering you will lose all solid particles like dust.

You should in fact do a defat, for the reason you suspected.

And I think the thick oily substance is pretty impure and you will really want to do an acid/base wash. Do that right after the defatting I guess.

Personally I dislike xylene because it is particularly toxic and I'm not sure I want red jungle spice or anything. If you use xylene for that reason you'd have to stick to that as your non-polar solvent or else you will lose that fraction.
In any other case you might as well switch to nahphta, it's best to follow some washing steps to clean it up (under that falls defatting and acid/base if you ask me) and you'll end up with your product in nahphta which is then ready for crystallization if you do the tek right.

Stuff like acid/base is done best in a separatory funnel though, improvisation is possible but I found it a tremendous pain in the ass.
Hopefully you have such a device.

Could be that I'm wrong but STB seems more like something like MHRB because even though there are oils that can make your DMT waxy it often won't turn into an oily slush you pretty much can't use. That is also confirmed by your observations.

And 10-15 minute pulls seem short?

But I haven't done a ton of different teks, just the one - with variations. MHRB, A/B

 

[scattered_raver]

You should at least be able to get the dust and stuff out by redissolving it in some xylene or naphtha (it depends, I'll explain later), make it a little warm if you don't want to get too big a volume but be sure it is all liquid and not chunky with goo or oils, then filter it over a coffee filter or over cotton balls. By mechanically filtering you will lose all solid particles like dust.

You should in fact do a defat, for the reason you suspected.

And I think the thick oily substance is pretty impure and you will really want to do an acid/base wash. Do that right after the defatting I guess.

Personally I dislike xylene because it is particularly toxic and I'm not sure I want red jungle spice or anything. If you use xylene for that reason you'd have to stick to that as your non-polar solvent or else you will lose that fraction.
In any other case you might as well switch to nahphta, it's best to follow some washing steps to clean it up (under that falls defatting and acid/base if you ask me) and you'll end up with your product in nahphta which is then ready for crystallization if you do the tek right.

Stuff like acid/base is done best in a separatory funnel though, improvisation is possible but I found it a tremendous pain in the ass.
Hopefully you have such a device.

Could be that I'm wrong but STB seems more like something like MHRB because even though there are oils that can make your DMT waxy it often won't turn into an oily slush you pretty much can't use. That is also confirmed by your observations.

And 10-15 minute pulls seem short?

But I haven't done a ton of different teks, just the one - with variations. MHRB, A/B

Ok, planning to do a de-fat, is the acid/base wash necessary though? Could one just de-fat, then re-crystallize? Also pretty sure that there is still a good few hours of evap'ing left..it was still liquid this morning so ill if it changes over the next day. I agree with you on the Xylene, it was used because naptha was unavailable this time, didnt know about how much extra shit it pulled, not to mention the smell im going to try the jungle though if its workable.

How can you tell if its smokable? It doesnt have much of a Xylene smell left, just a fient hint. Obviously wait until there is no smell what so ever? Has anyone else had this experience? Large amount of very thick yellow oily substance?

There is also about 600g of bark that's been soaking in lye for nearly a week.. half powdered half shredded, im going to do another pull with all of it, but there is small amounts of xylene in each container. Should i get out the xylene, then do naptha pulls? Or can i add the naptha, and will it pull the DMT out of the Xylene?

Thanks for the help

 

[PepperSocks]

Ok, planning to do a de-fat, is the acid/base wash necessary though? Could one just de-fat, then re-crystallize? Also pretty sure that there is still a good few hours of evap'ing left..it was still liquid this morning so ill if it changes over the next day. I agree with you on the Xylene, it was used because naptha was unavailable this time, didnt know about how much extra shit it pulled, not to mention the smell im going to try the jungle though if its workable.

How can you tell if its smokable? It doesnt have much of a Xylene smell left, just a fient hint. Obviously wait until there is no smell what so ever? Has anyone else had this experience? Large amount of very thick yellow oily substance?

There is also about 600g of bark that's been soaking in lye for nearly a week.. half powdered half shredded, im going to do another pull with all of it, but there is small amounts of xylene in each container. Should i get out the xylene, then do naptha pulls? Or can i add the naptha, and will it pull the DMT out of the Xylene?

Thanks for the help

So you have a thick yellow oil substance?

If the solvent smell goes away I suppose it'll be smokable but it will be ahrd to work with and you won't be able to accurately measure your dose.

For something that isn't MHRB I think you're going to need to do a full A/B, STB won't work because of all the plant oils and fats.

If you want to clean up your oil, dissolve it in non-polar solvent (naphtha), add acidic water, wash, isolate aqueous layer, add NaOH, add naphtha, wash, isolate naphtha, freeze precip.

Do the same thing for your other batch still in the lye.

About your last question, that's not going to work. Xylene and naphtha are both non-polar solvents, they'll dissolve with each other. Adding naphtha to xylene won't pull anything out of it, it'll just add to the amoutn of non-polar solvent. You have to do an acid wash on your xylene to get the DMT out, rebasify, then do a naphtha pull.

 

[scattered_raver]

So you have a thick yellow oil substance?

If the solvent smell goes away I suppose it'll be smokable but it will be ahrd to work with and you won't be able to accurately measure your dose.

For something that isn't MHRB I think you're going to need to do a full A/B, STB won't work because of all the plant oils and fats.

If you want to clean up your oil, dissolve it in non-polar solvent (naphtha), add acidic water, wash, isolate aqueous layer, add NaOH, add naphtha, wash, isolate naphtha, freeze precip.

Do the same thing for your other batch still in the lye.

About your last question, that's not going to work. Xylene and naphtha are both non-polar solvents, they'll dissolve with each other. Adding naphtha to xylene won't pull anything out of it, it'll just add to the amoutn of non-polar solvent. You have to do an acid wash on your xylene to get the DMT out, rebasify, then do a naphtha pull.

Does anyone have any links for the cleaning step outlined above? Is that a defat?
Also, say my naptha has a small amount of Xylene in it, will it still freeze percip properly?

Thanks :D

 

[PepperSocks]

Not sure about the xylene thing; I've never used it.

About the full A/B; give this a looksee: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/extraction_guide1/dmt_extraction_guide1.shtml

 

[aberrant]

NSFW:

I want to get at least too gees out of this in one go... giant STB in a gallon jar. I'll be sleeping on the couch for a night :D It's got to have been over a year since I conducted one of these "extractions" for myself and it's so exciting, maybe things will go better now that I aren't such a n00b. I our buddy Dmitri & hopefully there will be some purty pixtures to share in the coming week.

 

[TheAppleCore]

^ Hehe, nice! Pics would be fun.

I haven't ever weighed my yields, but considering how many blastoffs I get from ~250 grams MHRB, it's probably around 2 g.

 

[dread]

Quality of bark varies so much these days. The yield from 250g can be anything between 0,5 and 3g.

 

[aberrant]

I couldn't find a gallon jar in time so I used my old standby, two quart jars. The first two pulls are evaping in my pie dish at the moment and the third is ready to be added as soon as there is space. w00t %) For those curious, here's wat I did:

step 1: mixed two cups distilled water with 3 heaping tablespoon lye in 2 28-29oz jars and waited to cool
step 2: added 1 cup powdered bark, mixed
step 3: added naptha to within 1inch of the top of the quart jar, tumbled for a minute or so
step 4: decanted naptha into pyrex dish directly (thx IGNVS!) after separation & began evaporation

 

[TheAppleCore]

^ I don't think there's any reason to wait for the NaOH solution to cool down before you add the root bark. I'd think it would only help basify more thoroughly. In the end it probably makes very little difference however.

 

[ectolysergic]

i hope you gave some of the steps a little time to do their thing.

you should leave the mhrb in the base solution for some time to be sure it really breaks down. at very least a day or so.

after you've added your naptha and swirled it about you'd want to preferably put it in a warm bath or otherwise keep it warm and leave it sit for another period of time. again, at very least a day or so. this will give the spice time to migrate into the naptha and give a much better concentration.

good luck

 

[aberrant]

Thanks for teh tips, guys. TAC: I heard that a temp over 120 or 130F (soemthing like that) can destroy the alkaloids in the bark. Dunno if that's true. ecto: Next time I will let the bark sit in the solution a little while longer before adding naphtha. Also, I was told that it is good to decant right after separation and it seemed to work against allowing impurities through. I can't tell how much I got out of it, but it was certainly an incredible adventure last night.

We came out with a plate of goo around 1:30AM that wound up getting slathered on a blunt because I didn't want to undershoot my contribution to the L--had no pot. We had no scale accurate enough for DMT either. I could have waited longer for some actual crystals but instead what happened was nine separate breakthroughs for three separate people as we could only finish off the blunt in thirds. Three to four hits in, instead of beginning to taste DMT, we were putting out the blunt and personally I was falling off the couch into hyperspace. Our sober friend who has never even smoked weed (he tried HBWR once) was laughing hysterically the whole time, and I've never had such good sleep as last night. We think that there could have been up to a gram of deems in that blunt, the only hunk of crystal that I mined is sitting on a chunk of weed in my dreamster pipe atm.

I'll take a picture of the third pull if anything comes out of it. My computer's webcam sux...

love & light

 

[ectolysergic]

congrats.

i like to leave it to sit in a bath to concentrate the naptha. i think even a small amount of time could help. i'm probably just overly-concerned, it may not matter much but i feel it's worth it. if you're worried about nasties you can do a naco3 wash on the naptha you pull from the base solution followed by straight dh20 wash(es) and then throw that in the freezer or leave to evap.

if you are concerned with purity you may want to try the freeze precip method next time.

glad you and your friends are happy with your extraction
peace

 

[aberrant]

Word. I have tried different ways of cleaning up my spice before, freeze precip and an ammonia/h20 wash. the latter seemed to just eat away at my spice (tho I think I had the X:Y wrong) and the freezer we tried never seemed to get cold enough. either that or we didn't wait the proper amount of time.

i don't know whether to be happy or sad at my inadequate patience and consequent destruction/consolidated enjoyment of what mightve been over 50% of the expected yield. it was FAR OUT.

 

[mentaltoss flycoon]

dmt extraction help needed

8)hopefully someone can and will help me ... ive done blew a pound of mhrb and need some serious help .... okay ,.. everything went fine with my tech up untill i went to freeze percip.... i used naptha and froze for three days had a nice amount of small yellowish white crystals that i attempted to filter in a coffee filter ... they at first seemed fine .. but as they dried or got warm .. i guess they melted away into oblivion and left me with a small yellow stain on the filter. W.T.F. .. how can this happen.. what should i do next time to prevent ... i have a batch cookin in the crock pot now ... should i not freeze and just evap on a pyrex dish instead .. will i need to do a ammonia wash.. whats my options .. any help will be so nice as ive never done this and have no guide to show me the way.... help a brother out please.....

 

[cosmic charlie]

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The Big & Dandy NN-DMT Extraction Thread- Elves are watching