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The Big & Dandy 'Memory and Psychedelics' Thread

Something tells me that wasn't LSD. The guy who freaked out in that story sounds exactly like the time my friend freaked out and forgot who he was on 5MEO/DOX. I don't know what we took, but we were tripping for nearly 16 hours, it took 3 hours to peak.
 
Psychonautical said:
I'm sorry but there is this itty bitty part of me that just doesn't "want" to believe this is LSD.
Are you telling me that absolutely every single other person was down in a Normal amount of time, yet he was still twisted for 18++ hours.
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killo said:
Something tells me that wasn't LSD. The guy who freaked out in that story sounds exactly like the time my friend freaked out and forgot who he was on 5MEO/DOX. I don't know what we took, but we were tripping for nearly 16 hours, it took 3 hours to peak.
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Temporary psychosis, it can and does happen. The OP has already said the dose came from a known vial, we really shouldn't be debating this.

ps: my Dad went through a similar situation on his first large dose of LSD (and this was back in the hippy days), only difference being he thought he was Jesus and beat someone to a pulp. He is a confirmed schizophrenic. Oh the stories I could tell.
 
Psychonautical said:
I'm sorry but there is this itty bitty part of me that just doesn't "want" to believe this is LSD.
Are you telling me that absolutely every single other person was down in a Normal amount of time, yet he was still twisted for 18++ hours.

that cannot be the action of LSD, i've had a bad trip with LSD, and mostly it just includes all of the negative things you've done in your life playing in a feedback loop that then gives evil suggestion to you visual state.

Insanity and Violence, sounds more like a High Dose 5-meo-amt trip.
Whose to say that the chemical in that vial couldn't just be something mixed with water, or something else....

So many things feel like LSD but not a single thing is like LSD especially in large doses.
... i just don't see that doing it to someone...
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pr0d1gy said:
maybe some DOx? Ive never seen anyone become violent on 'cid but it doesn't seem impossible, maybe this was just a rare case. lol make him drop again to be sure :)
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As was previously said, it's not like LSD is a perfect chemical and DOXs are the devil. They're both powerfully mind0altering substances. Personally, with a lot of experience with both and many kinds of DOXs, I would find it much easier to freak out on a good dose of LSD than on any dose of a DOX. I just don't find them very fear-producing. LSD is more powerfully mind-warping if you are tripping hard than any DOX could ever be.

The Winner!! said:
Oh come on guys, it's not like I was thinking "that guy is going mental, that is so fucking funny!" I was being creative in my mind like I always am and was thinking of it as some sort of dumbass that works with illogical instincts, like I said it reminds me of cat's that freak out when you go near then and attack you, then walk away calmly, then attack you. Thinking of a human using this behavior is just fucking ridiculous and makes me laugh.
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Understood. The main point really is that this thread was a thread asking for help with a serious situation, and the comment didn't help, and it also seemed to poke fun at the situation. The point you're making is a good one, but this thread isn't the place for it. :)
 
I was wondering...did the friend that went into psychosis know everybody there pretty well? And had he been to this house before?
I'm thinking either your friend either wasn't completely comfortable going to the brink of his mind in the setting he was in, or like you said he is very sensitive to tripping and even one hit just stretched his mind to the breaking point and broke his ego down so much that there was not much left but strange survival and fighting responses.
The way you talked about his behavior seemed like he was more preoccupied with harm coming to himself or your friends (gas was on?) as well as being lost in a place he's never been, than he was with much deep psychological turmoil.

But of course this is all just a random stoned thought and I may be completely wrong..


(and can we leave the First response and the LSD denial alone yet?)
 
adrian89987 said:
I was wondering...did the friend that went into psychosis know everybody there pretty well? And had he been to this house before?
I'm thinking either your friend either wasn't completely comfortable going to the brink of his mind in the setting he was in, or like you said he is very sensitive to tripping and even one hit just stretched his mind to the breaking point and broke his ego down so much that there was not much left but strange survival and fighting responses.
The way you talked about his behavior seemed like he was more preoccupied with harm coming to himself or your friends (gas was on?) as well as being lost in a place he's never been, than he was with much deep psychological turmoil.

But of course this is all just a random stoned thought and I may be completely wrong..


(and can we leave the First response and the LSD denial alone yet?)
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It could easily have been a small incident that fucked up his mindset slightly, magnified by LSD. Maybe the fact that he took less than everybody, made him feel isolated.

But in the end, shit happens. We can come up with a zillion explanations for the incident, but it's part of the chance you take when you dose.
 
nearjat said:
I don't see why people are denying that it was LSD, situations like this are very, very common. Just friggin read the erowid bad trip experience section for LSD.
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Yea but think about how many people thought they had LSD but never did..
 
killo said:
Yea but think about how many people thought they had LSD but never did..
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I don't have any statistics, but I'm pretty sure adulterants such as DOx etc. are not very common at all. Especially since many of the erowid experiences are from dates long before that was even heard of.
 
This sounds similar to an experience i had a while back.

I ended up in hospital after inadvertently eating 9 hits, and although the friends i was with said i was at no point angry or violent towards them i did break a lot of things in my friend's house and after a while spent the rest of the night driving to the psych ward handcuffed in the back of a police car.

I don't really remember any of it and considering that i'm generally a pretty laid back person the entire event was pretty bizarre and out of place for me. The hospital seemed to think i'd taken ice and said that i'd been through psychosis, i didn't end up telling them i'd taken LSD since by this time it was about 11 hours after i'd dosed and they had apparently filled me up with a shitload of sedatives because i wouldn't stop yelling.

I know i dosed far more than your friend but some of his actions sound pretty similar to mine, so imho it was probably psychosis, i have no expertise though. He might be more susceptible for some reason?
 
indeed, i think all that can be discussed about this incident has been. It was LSD, his first time, he had been to this house once before, 5/7 people were his close mates, 2 of them we'd never met before. He had a hit, had an adverse reaction because of some sort of sensitivity, or just plain bad luck. Got stuck in a crazy thought loop where he believed he was dreaming, the gas had been left on and he had to make himself, or us wake up in order to survive. Being inexperienced and overwhelmed by a powerful psychadelic he couldnt tell reality from his mind trip, and reacted with the most basic survival instinct, violence against the "strangers" trying to stop him from waking up.

The only bit i dont quite get is how he would snap in and out of his trip, one second completely insane, next somewhat normal. Neither "self" could remember anything that happened while in his other mindset. But i guess this can be put down to the mysteries of this wonderous compound.

On a lighter note, i found a 160mic sugar cube of the same lsd in the bottom of my bag! Drugs are always so much better when they're "free" will be putting this lucky find away for a special day in the not too distant future, when higher education doesnt have me tethered to my desk.
 
@thefam,

At 1st I was suspecting PCx, but then you yourself said it was most definitely lsd. Actually, I know of several incidents of this kind happening with family acid if given to imbalanced individuals. Never happened to me, but yes it can happen to the wrong type of persons.
 
Ok i'm not even going to try and explain it anymore in other words, because frankly your not worth it. The people I actually cared about thinking of me in bad ways already understand and that's enough
 
I had a friend freak on some 2ce. Not quite that extreme, but I'm sure if he had dosed higher, it could've been really bad... after 3 hours of staring and nervously speaking about the meaningless of existent, he shouted for about 2 hours about space and time. He was NOT there at all, and definitely almost got violent. He didn't really hear anything we said. Very out of character.

He reacted badly on mushrooms as well. If you trip with him again, bring some xanex or something else to abort the trip. There's no reason he would respond better next time, so be ready.

And well, I don't get LSD very much, how much ug is a drop from the bottle?
 
@thefam said:
On a lighter note, i found a 160mic sugar cube of the same lsd in the bottom of my bag! Drugs are always so much better when they're "free" will be putting this lucky find away for a special day in the not too distant future, when higher education doesnt have me tethered to my desk.
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lulz at the microgram measurement to the nearest 10.
 
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