The Big & Dandy HPPD Thread

[Solipsis]

Simply because some people are predisposed to get such a thing. Just like some people are predisposed to become schizo. Its just there. Nothing can be done about it.

that does not mean that one who is not predisposed can't get this kind of issue... Congenital diseases, be they physiological or psychological, are one thing but HPPD is not entirely that.
Actually I'm quite unsure as to HPPD predispositions...

 

[Recept]

^ Same here. ShaolinBomber, do you have any references to back up that claim?

I am aware that some people get HPPD after single use of a psychedelic, which seems to indicate that there is a genetic predisposition factor, but that is far from conclusive IMO.

 

[ShaolinBomber]

ok, what i meant to say is, some people acquire HPPd much more easily than others. Some people can do all kinds of drugs in their lifetime and never develop any symptoms, while others could do lsd 3 times and get it full blown. Its not necessarily those exact numbers, but you get what i mean.

Some people will get it very early in drug use. Others will get it later. Others (most people) will never get it.

 

[Ginger Jack]

Yep, and I can thank it to all my Diphenhydramine use when I was younger.

 

[tryp2fun]

AFAIK Hofmann never took large amounts of psychedelics... Nor did he trip often.

I guess it's the way all of they used psychedelics: responsibly, without binging on a different chemical each week... Well, Shulgin did a lot of different chemicals, but I doubt he spent every other day tripping...

Have you ever read Hofmann's book, "LSD, my problem child"? He did have a bad experience on that first trial, but he took plenty more LSD over the years. Not only that, he isolated psilocybin and psilocin by ingesting the different fractions obtained from mushrooms to identify the active components. That was the way that he beat everybody else to the identification. The others were trying to use lab rats to assay during purification.

As far as Shulgin, yes, he did things right. That's my point. If you read Pihkal he describes his method, called the "double conscious" technique. Real HPPD sounds a lot like schizophrenia from the symptoms that I have heard, and some people are going to be susceptible to schizophrenia. On the other hand, the HPPD that comes from frying your brain is just that. But a lot of the symptoms that people describe here as HPPD are common visual phenomena such as phosphenes and floaters that have nothing to do with psychedelic use. Once you have experienced psychedelics, you tend to take more notice of sensory phenomena that other people overlook.

 

[dread]

My point was, that Hofmann wasn't binging on psychedelics each weekend just in order to "get wasted"...

 

[cegli]

Man Shaolin, you need to relax. I know you have bad HPPD and aren't happy about it. I know some people think that small residual visuals are HPPD. Just because you're in pain one way, doesn't mean you should insult people who are in pain another way. Yes, HPPD isn't well defined and there are arguments about what actually defines HPPD. Does that really matter? I just feel like every time I see a post from you, it's extremely negative and insulting to everyone.

Spread some love instead!

Edit: My post doesn't make as much sense anymore now that his post is edited and the posts are out of order .

 

[BiG StroOnZ]

^

 

[kroozer_*]

If you can move tracers off of your fingers and arms while sober i think there might be a problem. Even when i stopped using psychs for a while, the symptoms were still there. Especially when i am dehydrated the day after drinking. So is the visual distortions from drugs or a mental issue. The doctor said i am social anxiety/ mood disorder. That was after i was diagnosed as bi-polar. When i had to spend a good time in jail, the visual distortions went away. Of course not the anxiety though. Is there any psychologists out there to tell me what the fuck is going on. Can anyone else get tracers off of their arms, fingers, etc???

 

[f1ct]

If you're on anti-depressants, that suggests you have access to professional help.

If your experience is causing this much distress in your life, you should seek professional help, if you are not already doing so.

If you are considering suicide, you definitely should seek professional help.

 

[swilow]

Merged in a question about HPPD

 

[swilow]

Oops and mixed up a bunch of posts- my bad. I expect all of your detecive skills will help unravel the sense behind this. :D

Urggh.

 

[The Winner!!]

My point was, that Hofmann wasn't binging on psychedelics each weekend just in order to "get wasted"...

Wow, don't go asuming I did and do psychedelics "to get wasted"

And the other posters above about schizo~ Are you saying i'm schizophrenic now because of my hppd? I don't hear voices and shit. I don't see hooded figures over my bed that try to make contact with me when I'm going to sleep or waking up..

 

[cegli]

No HPPD is not very similar to schizophrenia. Schizophrenia deals quite a bit with auditory changes and delusions (supposedly a very close drug model of Schizophrenia is PCP/Ketamine aka the glutame theory of schizophrenia.) HPPD usually has Depersonalization/Derealization, memory deficits, brain fog, and anxiety as mental symptoms.

 

[The Winner!!]

I love depersonalization and derealization, makes me feel like im living a beautiful dream of sequences im in control of

 

[swilow]

^Wait until they get chronic and then report back

I don't think dread was assuming anything about you to be honest. Though I could just be assuming that myself.

 

[ShaolinBomber]

Have you ever read Hofmann's book, "LSD, my problem child"? He did have a bad experience on that first trial, but he took plenty more LSD over the years. Not only that, he isolated psilocybin and psilocin by ingesting the different fractions obtained from mushrooms to identify the active components. That was the way that he beat everybody else to the identification. The others were trying to use lab rats to assay during purification.

As far as Shulgin, yes, he did things right. That's my point. If you read Pihkal he describes his method, called the "double conscious" technique. Real HPPD sounds a lot like schizophrenia from the symptoms that I have heard, and some people are going to be susceptible to schizophrenia. On the other hand, the HPPD that comes from frying your brain is just that. But a lot of the symptoms that people describe here as HPPD are common visual phenomena such as phosphenes and floaters that have nothing to do with psychedelic use. Once you have experienced psychedelics, you tend to take more notice of sensory phenomena that other people overlook.

While symptoms may seem like the patient is shicophrenic, that is not the case. All patients of HPPD are aware that what they are seeing/experiencing is not the way its suppose to be and have a strong grip on reality.

 

[ShaolinBomber]

No HPPD is not very similar to schizophrenia. Schizophrenia deals quite a bit with auditory changes and delusions (supposedly a very close drug model of Schizophrenia is PCP/Ketamine aka the glutame theory of schizophrenia.) HPPD usually has Depersonalization/Derealization, memory deficits, brain fog, and anxiety as mental symptoms.

ok did not read this post before i posted above. This guy has it right on.

It might seem like you've gone crazy when all of this hits you in the face and is very scary, but you're still very much sane.

 

[elektro303]

"If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite." -Aldous Huxley

 

[DoorsofPerception]

I believe I have a mild case of HPPD…it doesn’t really bother me in real life so I wouldn’t consider it a real problem for me now, however it could get worse in the future.

A few different things have persisted. First, when I stare at things for a while, I get some light patterning and a kind of buzzing feeling that I get on salvia a lot. Certain types of light give me a slight strobe effect and tracers. I’ve noticed this in places in my house that I’ve been in my whole life and I never used to get this from the same type of light before I started (ab)using psychedelics. Also, while I was on a decent dose of DOB my friend accidently shined a grow light in my eyes while I was zoning out which left me with an afterimage for a few hours before it started disappearing. Even now if I get really baked and close my eyes I can still see the afterimage there. And sometimes when I’m lying in bed trying to sleep I get small flashbacks where I feel exactly like I’ve just started peaking on a psychedelic drug (kind of feels like a combo of LSD and shrooms) however it only lasts for about 5 to 15 minutes.

1) How many times have you tripped?

I have tripped over 75 times in the past 2 years and 9 months…

First off I must say that I've been a daily pot smoker for about 2 years now and started smoking at 15 with a couple months break for drug testing. On average, I smoke around 5 times a day but I used to smoke a lot more.

As for "true" psychedelics I have mostly used mushrooms and acid but I've also used many more psychedelics but mostly on a single use basis.

Started dabbling in psychedelics at 15 (Morning Glory seeds) and had my first real complete psychedelic experience off an 8th of mushrooms right after turning 16.

I’ve been pretty heavily addicted to pain killers and stimulants in the past.

2) Did you experience HPPD after a bad trip?

Not really, because I’ve never had a permanently scarring bad trip ever occur. I think it was more the abuse of these powerful chemicals that got me to where I am now.

3) On which substances did HPPD become apparent?

If I get really baked I can get some crazy visuals that I never got before I began using a lot of psychedelics. This is only if I get really high which doesn’t happen much now. Also, N20 brings out visuals for me now.