Bella Figura
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Meph isn't fiendish in any way. You can take a dose and stick to it for the night. Its not really that comparable to MDMA either, its not THAT empathogenic.
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Bella Figura
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They have addictive personalities, the drug is not fiendish. Try it.
MDPV is a fiendish drug like coke is while you're on it, but meph isn't.
MDPV is a fiendish drug like coke is while you're on it, but meph isn't.
tambourine-man
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Nonsense. Human reactions to drugs will vary, but that level of variance is absurd outside of tolerant individuals. Like most distributions of biological variables, there will be a minority of persons on either end of the dosing curve. The vast, vast majority will be in the middle. It's that predictability that permits dosing advice.
*shrug*
Just because someone blows through a gram in a night and then does so for a few nights on the run, doesn't mean they have the first clue when it comes to the safety of what they're doing. You cleverly use the term "personal limit". A personal limit is simply a term that people use to describe a dose that they can handle without either dying or experiencing negative physical/mental health effects during the experience. In other words, it doesn't have any relationship to the actual safety of their behaviour.
If you're hammering a substance that has little or no research done on it, then you're an idiot. Simple as. If it sounds judgemental... good. If it sounds judgemental, then it's probably because people don't like being challenged on something that is so blindingly fucking obvious.
parttime crackhead
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whoremoaning you are wrong. it definitely is "fiendish". it's not like tear your house apart looking for that lost half gram style, but if it's there in front of me i'll keep taking it up to a point & if it wasn't for all the "oooh nooo your knees will fall off & your dick will eat itself" scare patter then i would keep taking it till it runs out. there just comes a point where it's like "right, i've taken it too far tonight, this stuffs meant to be dodgy, give it a rest"
but then its back on it again the mora.
but then its back on it again the mora.
I agree. I don't usually have problems with fiending for drugs (except maybe weed) and especially not drugs like mdma, but i found it takes effort to stop dosing on mephedrone.
Something about the way it drops you from high to almost normal so quickly then you can take some more and be high again within 10 mins or so actively encourages redosing.
Once you have some experience with the drug and a bit of common sense and knowledge, it's not hard to keep things safe.
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whoremoaning you're the first person I've ever come across that said they didn't find mephedrone fiendish. I actually find it much more compulsive than MDPV, probably due to the fact that overdoing MDPV shows the downside very very quickly and can give you a good bit of binge-aversion shock therapy on day 1.
Actually I think your talking nonsense. If you look at the sample of the group of people who use this site then they are, invariably, experienced users with high tolerences. So you could expect a far higher varience than in a genuine random sample.
As you so rightly say, there is little or no genuine research on this stuff and as a result the tails of the distribution are unknown and the only evidence we have is personal experiences.
I agree with your definition of a 'personal limit' but disagree with your idea that this bares no relationship between actual safely. If you don't have any short term health effects and don't end up in hospital then you are inside your own personal limit and you are safe.
If you end up with Parkinson's 20 years early because you meddled with RCs then that is a risk and everyone should be aware of. Scaremongering, however, is very tabloid indeed. Drug taking always has associated risks, short and long term but you don't need to brand people as 'fucking idiots' because they fall into your narrow definition of 'hammering a substance'.
Different people have different levels of hammering and many variables contribute to that - so lay off the headlines.
Well I don't think I am. I don't have an addictive personality anyway,
Have you read the whole thread? There are people taking 10 grams or worse over the course of a whole week of near continuous dosing without sleep or rest ending up with blue extremities and aching chests / hearts. It's not the people taking about a gram in one evening that we are criticizing here.
No one is suggesting that some people taking a hundred milligrams are being stupid and not feeling it or that people with generaly high tolerances due to long term use / abuse of similar chemicals are being stupid if they take a gram or (a little) more in an evening, it's the doses that are 10 x or more above the norm that are attracting attention.
I wouldn't feel safe asuming this.
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What are you basing that on?
I think the people doing massive amounts are at serious risk of doing some damage. I've tried it once, and I doubt I'll be trying it again.
Bella Figura
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Well i had 200mg with a pile of meph in front of me and didn't feel the urge to redose at all. If it was mdpv i'd be sniffing a line every hour and regretting each one.
Wtf is so fiendish about meph :D what is wrong with you all!
i'm off on a train journey, when i get back i expect someone to agree with me in that meph is not fiendish :D
Wtf is so fiendish about meph :D what is wrong with you all!
i'm off on a train journey, when i get back i expect someone to agree with me in that meph is not fiendish :D
parttime crackhead
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what is so fiendish? it's already been discussed in length on here. gets u high really quick, you crash back down really quick & a re-dose will take you straight back to that happy highness. what would not be fiendish about that? fair enough you might not find it all that fiendish but you're fucking at it if you're tryna say you can't understand how other people do. same as you're mdma patter a while ago, the half dose argument with spade. that may be fine for you but surely you can see how its not for the majority of people.
have you read the thread? do you think doing multiple grams constantly over a few days without sleeping and continuing to do so when your joints have turned blue and you have a pain in your chest is in any way healthy? unfounded scaremongering is one thing but trying to convince someone to stop when they seem pretty close to a hospital visit is another.
have a look at this and you can maybe understand a little better why caution is being advised.
tambourine-man
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So in your original statement, the "one person" who considers a dose of 100mg as being qualitatively similar as "another person" on 500mg... is one or both of these people "experienced users"?
If you look at the people who use this site, you'll find that many are lurkers or passers-by who will be looking for advice on a first-time experiment. As I said, most people react in a similar manner outside of a tolerant group.
Read the thread. Look at the doses and patterns.
I don't even know where to start with that one. I really don't. To be honest, I don't really feel like I need to rebut the argument. It kinda speaks for itself. It's a bit disheartening that any user of this website would take such an approach.
What the fuck are you talking about? Who mentioned Parkinsons? Who's scaremongering?
I'm not calling people idiots strictly because of their dosing or patterns, I'm doing so because:
- the dosing behaviour is in the absurd amounts;
- that absurd dosing behaviour is associated with a drug that has no journal or in-situ research performed on it;
- and because there are enough concerns over cardiac fibrosis to make one exercise some caution in dosing.
Please shut up.
parttime crackhead
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cunts need to stop arguing about a fucking drug. get a grip for fuck sake.
simple answer is - yes it most likely is dodgy. its probably not too dodgy if taken in sensible amounts & with sensible breaks in between (no binges for days on end). any1 taking it day after day is a fucking moron (i include myself in this). any1 taking much more than a gram in one session is probably a moron aswell. its not really a good idea to get in to taking this regularly (like every weekend).
basically - cunts need to calm down with rattling loads of this stuff regularly & we'll all live happily ever after.
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now, im off to shove 3 gram of coke & a gram of ket up my nose. while im doing that i'll prolly eat 2 acid, 20mg of 2c-i, a can of stella & a sausage roll. no1 will tell me off for this because taking dangerous amounts of better known drugs over silly lengths of time seems to be allowed on here but when it comes to taking dangerous amounts of mephedrone you automatically get fucking slated. cunts on here take far too much of most drugs & most of you don't bat an eyelid
simple answer is - yes it most likely is dodgy. its probably not too dodgy if taken in sensible amounts & with sensible breaks in between (no binges for days on end). any1 taking it day after day is a fucking moron (i include myself in this). any1 taking much more than a gram in one session is probably a moron aswell. its not really a good idea to get in to taking this regularly (like every weekend).
basically - cunts need to calm down with rattling loads of this stuff regularly & we'll all live happily ever after.
the end
now, im off to shove 3 gram of coke & a gram of ket up my nose. while im doing that i'll prolly eat 2 acid, 20mg of 2c-i, a can of stella & a sausage roll. no1 will tell me off for this because taking dangerous amounts of better known drugs over silly lengths of time seems to be allowed on here but when it comes to taking dangerous amounts of mephedrone you automatically get fucking slated. cunts on here take far too much of most drugs & most of you don't bat an eyelid
StoneHappyMonday
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Been taking lessons from Ismene or do you specialise in being a dick all on your own?
I reckon the best people to offer advise on drugs are those with experience of the drugs. I sometimes took ONE e three times a week, sometimes two times a week and sometimes once a week. I don't need to justify my lifestyle to an insulting specimen of a human such as yourself. Sorry for finding a lifestyle that has left me comfortably off with the time to enjoy myself. Keep working at it. You'll never get there yourself Mr Workshy.
I offered sensible advise in a thread full of car crashes. Your response is to come on here telling me I'm talking shite for daring to try and calm people down in their behaviour. You really are the most useless piece of shit on this board. Take your personal demons elsewhere.
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