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A question for Christians- is anti-christianity offensive?

Really find me that in scripture.


Matthew 16:24
Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone wants to follow me, he must deny himself, pick up his cross, and follow me continually.

That's YOUR scripture. I was just using an analogy to make the concept more accessible.

Jesus didn't seek out the righteous and preach to them. He sat down with the prostitute and the tax collector and showed them his mercy and kindness. His actions are what caused people to believe in him, because he knew his words meant shit otherwise.
 
there is nothing intellectual about faith. how could there be?
Well the Holy bible says that there is no such thing as atheists. All were born with the knowledge that there is a God.
i'm beginning to doubt your sincerity in this "debate"
qwe

Im not giving my opinion
what is your opinion? can you think for yourself?

you should take a lesson from the very passage you quoted....... :
21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. 23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.
that is what i believe you, and many christians, have done, and are doing...
 
what is your opinion? can you think for yourself?


that is what i believe you, and many christians, have done, and are doing...


What do you want my "Opinion" on??


And I dont beleive you dont know me well enough to make statements like this. You dont know anything about me or my Christian walk. Your judging me by a few posts, thats very narrow minded.
 
>>What do you want my "Opinion" on??>>

you said that, in lieu of giving your own opinion, you are instead quoting scripture

i was asking, what is your opinion on the scripture you are quoting. do you agree with it? because, if so, you could just say what the scripture says but in your own words, and people would take you a lot more seriously

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>>And I dont beleive you dont know me well enough to make statements like this. You dont know anything about me or my Christian walk. Your judging me by a few posts, thats very narrow minded. >>

i am not saying anything about your christian walk, nor do i care to

also, i am not judging you, i am judging the ideas you have expressed in those few posts, because i find those ideas to be narrow minded

for example, you say i cannot judge you based on a couple posts, yet the scripture you quoted at me judges me (not to mention billions of other people who reject god) and says that i reject god because either i am hedonistic and want carnal pleasures, or i come up with "false" ideas about god and thus worship falsely

so, i am not judging you personally, i am judging your idea that everyone who rejects god is this way. it is demonstratably false,

*A) many people have zero knowledge of christianity and its ways, and have no knowledge of it, or the bible
*B) many christians/believers are arrogant, believe they know best for others, and/or are hedonistic. and many nonchristians/nonbelievers are humble, live and let live, reject sexual and other carnal desires, and/or are rather "christ-like"
*C) many people reject god on logical grounds, not based on hedonistic or selfish tendencies in any way whatsoever (this is more subjective, but it is demonstratably true for me, since i am myself and i reject god on grounds that have nothing to do with hedonism)

now, why do i think you are doing the same thing, ignoring the very passage you quoted? aka, my quote >>that is what i believe you, and many christians, have done, and are doing...>>

well this i CAN tell from just a few posts. in my opinion, the "golden" parts of the bible, the parts useful for personal and societal growth, come from the actual quotes of jesus. you have said these things about your god,

*1) >>God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness>>
*2) >>So they have no excuse for not knowing God.>>
*3) >>God made some vessels of Honor, and some for dis-honor. >>
*4) >>It saddens me that one is willing to send himself to hell over his own selfish desires and hes not willing to surrender to the God who made him.>>

this points to an anthropomorphized, angry, destructive, vengeful "god". not the one jesus mentioned, in the slightest.

then you make broad sweeping generalizations against all non-believers

and then you claim that i can't make a judgement on you from just a couple posts,

which is just silly when you just made judgement on millions of americans without hearing anything from them on why they think the way they do

so, i would suggest reading the bible again, but this time focus on the four gospels, and have some compassion :) seriously, i don't get what the vengeful old testament god does for peoples' psyche. well i guess i do sort of, but that's a scary thought...
 
Well I think the scripture can speak for itself. Just read it, Its not hard to understand. Im not gonna get into a debate over scripture with you, Im just stating what the Holy bible says. If you dont agree with what the bible says then thats your opinion.

I feel very strongly about my beleifs and am not willing to waver it. Gods brought me out of a Heroin addiction that you wouldnt beleive. About a 200 to 500 dollar a day habbit. Thats my proof that the God of the bible is real and saved me. It had nothing to do with what I did. I just surrendered my will over to him.

All truth is revealed truth from God. If he doesnt reveal it to you then you wont beleive what the bible says.

These arnt my opinions, this is straight out of the bible. This is my belleif cause I beleive what the bible says. I can only tell you what God has revealed to me. If you dont beleive whats been said here, take it up with the God of the bible, not me.

Oh yeah and I dont have all the answers...

Again this isnt my opinion, this is all scripture out of the bible. I choose not to give my opinion I let the bible speak for itself.
 
If you can't read between the lines of the Bible, I pray for your soul. If you truly want to do God's work you help them understand the wisdom and knowledge present, not just feed them what you read. And don't make me find a New Testament quote that says that, because I'm sure you know that already.

The strength that comes with belief can only exist with the kindness for those that you don't think deserve it.
 
Samael theres no point in trying to explain a scripture to an unbeleiver, its a waste of my time. and heres the scripture that says it:

MATTHEW 7:6

6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
 
What good is being in touch with the Logos if you don't even bother to flex it? These are their souls. How dare you claim to know better than the God of and Descendant of David and Solomon? He spoke so people would listen, and you, made in his very image would think that ANY person of flesh and blood is not worth your mercy. I pity you.
 
Samael theres no point in trying to explain a scripture to an unbeleiver, its a waste of my time. and heres the scripture that says it:

MATTHEW 7:6

6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
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you are giving your opinions/interpretations of the text, while saying you're not

i mean come on

i hope you know the history of the stories in the bible, and how it was put together, from paganism to the roman catholic church

eg gilgamesh lol :P
 
Yes I do know about the writings in the bible. The bible is the word of God, inspired thru the Holy Spirit.

Im gonna end this debate.

Bye
 
Discussing topics such as religion, and politics never end up good. We all have our beleifs and I doubt if anyone of us is gonna budge.
 
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