Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ and Megathread v.1; 2007 - 2010

[StaffWriter]

Glad I could help, I couldn't tell by your post if your on suboxone or just a regular opiate. If your on a normal opiate that doesn't have the ridiculously long half life of bupe like say... oxy you'de be fine if you did a dose at night and then skipped your morning dose went to the dentest and then dosed a little bit after you get home.

that's what I used to do when I was addicted to oxy and I never had any complications using the gas... Only complications I ever had were with bupe. So if your not on bupe... grab that opiate scrip!!!

No, I'm on bupe, but if I were to have some painful dental surgery (or any surgery for that matter) I would discontinue the bupe for at least 36 hours before the procedure to make sure I would get adequate pain relief from a full agonist opiate. I had to do that earlier this year for a surgical procedure. My doctor gave me a full agonist opiate (Percocet 10's #30) to hold me until surgery and for post-op pain. Just to clarify...

 

[johanneschimpo]

What is "BMT"?

 

[xxkcxx]

^ omg can you be srs pls!?

 

[InTherapy82]

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Low doses of buprenorphine feel better than high doses of it.

Couldn't agree more with these words. these days I take 2 0.5mg doses each day and after each one I feel so motivated, energized. When I was taking higher doses 4-8mg I felt like an unmotivated slob.

Bupe is wierd since smaller amounts make me feel better than higher amounts, which to an addict is not very logical.

 

[nudemonkei]

One of the many benefits.

I still get off better on ~8mgs, that's about where any real motivation seems to max out.

This is an amazingly subjective drug, however.



~Monk

 

[InTherapy82]

a 15-year-old girl here in Milwaukee just died this month from reportedly taking just "one pill" (that's all i could find in any of the news, so I'd have to assume it was an 8mg).

Police: Suspects Dumped Madison Kiefer on Driveway

i really don't know how just one 8mg tab, taken sublingually (no reports of any track marks or prior IV use) could do that. she wasn't opiate tolerant though, so the respiratory depression must have been significant and caused her to pass out. her friend & his dad dumped her in a driveway, still alive but unconscious. reports say she would have survived if someone called 911, but no one found her in time.

I doubt it was just an 8mg sub tablet. After reading more on the story, she has been abusing drugs for the last 2 years and was scheduled to enter rehab. She was only 15, where the hell were the parents, letting her sleep at the house of a 22 year old. So many things wrong here. So sad.

Does anyone know the LD50 for bupe in humans?

 

[doctorcameltoe]

what's your bupe regimen?

so i've been on & off of bupe for almost a year ... i've been shooting it since i started. If i managed to get enough $$ together i'd go out grab some H & have fun for about 2 weeks... then I'd have to my binge due to lack of funds. I've switched back and forth about 10 times now - twice (perhaps 3 times went into precip. w/ds - learned my lesson there).

Recently i had to switch back to bupe and did my usual thing - i was using for few days and on the last day, stayed up wicked late so that i would wake up at least 12hrs after my last high. Also, prior to all of this, I stopped at the local vitamin shoppe to pick up some mag glycinate, potassium, & asked my doc for some somas & I have an unlimited amount of 10mg diazepam to help everything go as easily as possible.

The plan worked as i had thought, i preloaded with the magnesium as well potassium slept around 14hrs. when i woke up i didn't feel full blown w/ds but decided to try about a 3mg subutex sublingual... everything ok. 2hrs later banged 4mgs and took some somas. Didn't throw me into w/ds & i felt pretty normal, i mean i had mood swings & all that, but overall a success as far as least amount of pain - personally i always get cramps in my knees which drives me crazy - damn RLS, but the soma helped w. that.

i was wondering for those of you out there that switch back & forth from H or oxy or whatever... what is your procedure & do you find certain supplements or pills help more w. the switch? (i used to have access to clonidine which is also a life saver but that supply ran out).


(i tried to do some research on the topic but couldn't find exactly what i'm asking for here... hence the post, if its been posted b4 - feel free to merge & my apologies.)

-cameltoe.

 

[nudemonkei]

Variable, obviously, in terms of OD.

But I do not believe a reliable LD_50 has been established.

That would be interesting, I understand many Bupe deaths are from cross-medicating.


~Monk

 

[Jabberwocky]

merging with the bupe mega thread. you'll probably have better luck in there since it's a mega thread and all

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Couldn't agree more with these words. these days I take 2 0.5mg doses each day and after each one I feel so motivated, energized. When I was taking higher doses 4-8mg I felt like an unmotivated slob.

Bupe is wierd since smaller amounts make me feel better than higher amounts, which to an addict is not very logical.

I know...but I like it. I'm still around 1mg at a dose, but it'll hold me so well. And, I get a really nice motivation from it, similar to when I used to do heroin. Except, the euphoria is nicer, since the afterglow is nice and there's no waking up in sweats and shakes, no coming down all the time.

Plus, low doses of benzos at the end of the day can really help add onto the effect I get from the last bupe dose.

Hopefully one day I'll get clean from buprenorphine, but, what goes up must come back down eventually I guess.

Damn...I could go for one of those right about now...

....

for the last question, don't switch from bupe to heroin. Stick to one or the other. You're just wasting your time and money, and will still have to keep regularly coming down.

Unless you're some sort of masochist who likes the idea of forcing onesself to perpetually WD off of bupe and then heroin just to go back to one or the other, then stick to one or the other.

 

[doctorcameltoe]

if in reference to me

merging with the bupe mega thread. you'll probably have better luck in there since it's a mega thread and all

i thought this might happen ... it's just that this thing has stretched for 21pgs. i had my fingers crossed it might slip thru the cracks.

-cameltoeeeeeee.

 

[velvet973]

I'm so confused....

Last week my connect was waiting for a re-up that took daaays...it was awful...I sweated it out for 3 days and then finally broke down and took my suboxone (didn't want to do it since i would rather suffer a little wd's than waste my money and fuck up my high when my guy finally came through)....figures that he called ONLY AN HOUR later after I took the subs!!!!

I was soo pissed off that I had a brick but couldn't do it yet bc of the subs i just took...argh...just thinking about that pisses me off...wish i was on lost and could just turn the wheel and jump back in time and not take it ya know? lol

ne ways...I managed to wait about 24 hours and then burned right through the brick in like 2 days...it sucked bc even though i waited, and I knew the dope i got was pretty good quality i didn't get the rush i wanted bc of those fucking subs...dissapointed once again...

After i finished the brick, i had no money, so i decided I was going to kick. My last shot of H was on Thurs. I waited for the wd's to kick in, but miraculously it didn't really happen...so weird. I would've been a mess kicking, but it was so weird that nothing really happened...On sunday i ended up taking my subs again just for the hell of it.

How come I didn't wd? think it was bc of the suboxone i took before I got the brick? Now I don't even have to take the subs...don't wd if i don't take them, so I guess i'm good...its just so weird that this happened...

any thoughts?

 

[pukingcells]

Regarding bupe regimen.
I, too, do the "suboxone shuffle".
Surprisingly, though, last go I was hanging out waiting for wd's to start and took an antihistimine called "visteral" just in case I wouldn't be able to sleep, and I slept like a baby. Woke up and I was at the 24 hour mark and I honestly couldn't believe how good I felt (good being a relative term here). Took my sub and went back to sleep. Usually around 18 hours I'm usually crying, sweating, puking, you know the drill.

I did an internet search and found a good article on using visteral for withdrawal. It was a happenstance, but it worked. I don't think it would've helped if I was already in full blown agony, but I took it at about the 10-12 hour mark and was pleasantly surprised.

 

[xxkcxx]

Visteral is also considered a very good opiate potentiator, so it might have helped by boosting the suboxone.

 

[formanchristopher]

Message about quantity...

ive just started suboxone 2 months ago. i take 4 8/2 mgs. daily. It has been a life saver so far. Im going to read some more but will keep in touch. thank you

^^ I just wanted to comment, ok? For what it's worth, possibly something to think about is all. I personally just had to go thru a temp detox off of Suboxone, and I only take "1", 8/2mg tab daily. I'm here to tell you that if that wasn't the most fucked up taper off of an opiate at that dose, I just can't even fathom EVER having to come off of 4 of them a day!! Buprenorphine is SO strong! And it's half-life is SO long, that it's just friggin hell.
I swear by Subs, and even asked my doc last visit if or when I should possibly "go up" on my dose? (He would easily up it if I wanted to), but after a year on this dosage, I still feel stable, and that's after a very long time of being on heroin(15-20yrs).
So, keep this in mind ok? Being new, you still have the opportunity to make some changes if you wanted, without too much struggle. But lastly I will say that "no", I don't know you or your habit(s), daily usage, etc. and I'm aware that I could be fully off base here, and 4 of them is right for you, ok? I just wanted to add a few words about just how strong this drug really is in the long run, not to mention how new it is, relatively speaking.
My doctor actually told me that coming off of Subs would be much easier than
other opiates, with nothing more than a few sniffles and/or flu-like symptoms.
I call Bullshit! Now I think he must have stock in the company, or something..
hee-hee. Good luck regardless,
Christopher

 

[formanchristopher]

A Comment & a Question

Couldn't agree more with these words. these days I take 2 0.5mg doses each day and after each one I feel so motivated, energized. When I was taking higher doses 4-8mg I felt like an unmotivated slob.

Bupe is wierd since smaller amounts make me feel better than higher amounts, which to an addict is not very logical.

^^ Cap't Heroin & In Therrapy....yes!! Having gone thru a 10 day taper(at a detox clinic/rehab, 28 day dry-out bullshit), I had smuggled in some of my 8mg
Subs, because well, let's just say I've been down this road before. I knew that I was gonna feel like shit, and didn't want to sit in 2hr groups with others who felt fine, others who were coming off of Ambien and shit, if you can believe that! Not to put down any drug or anyone's DOC, but, as we opiate addicts know, opiate w/d is fucked in comparison. Back to my point, sorry. I found that
when I took an 8mg tab out of my stash, and broke it into 4 pieces(2mgs ea),
and took just one of those, OH MY GOD!!!! Never in a million years, no matter what anyone or anything said or dictated, I'm here to tell you that just like the fellas above said, LOWER DOSES OF SUBOXONE works better!! I would walk into group feeling super-energized, super happy, super good! Never had I had this feeling while taking 8mgs.
Here's my question...believe it or not, knowing all of this, I continue to take my rx 8mg tab every morning, and want to only get back to taking the lower dose. But I'm afraid. Afraid of the possible few days of w/d's if I have to cut myself off from 8mgs., in order to get my tolerance down. What do I do??
What's a proper/realistic way, without too much suffering?(I must attend Drug Court classes, have the straight girlfriend, a parole officer etc. that I can't have seeing me in w/d's, if that helps any?) Any help would be greatly(!) appreciated.
Huge thanks, Christopher

 

[bow-viper1]

and took just one of those, OH MY GOD!!!! Never in a million years, no matter what anyone or anything said or dictated, I'm here to tell you that just like the fellas above said, LOWER DOSES OF SUBOXONE works better!! I would walk into group feeling super-energized, super happy, super good! Never had I had this feeling while taking 8mgs.

Although I can't answer your question, I wanted to address this statement.

I find it fascinating that a 2mg or 4mg dose of Suboxone produces the same or better effects than a dose of 8mg or more. Because I, and several other people have been reporting the same thing for some time now.

I know the general consensus is that the naloxone in Suboxone is rendered ineffective by buprenorphine's higher affinity, but I can't help but think that there is some sort of plateau with Suboxone, after which the naloxone starts having affecting the experience. I just can't think of any other reason for this.

Does anyone have any more information on this subject?

 

[orgone]

Done a bit of searching first didn't find what I needed sorry but have a quick question. Realize the combo of Sub and Benzos can be lethal CNS wise. I'm scripted 40mg (2x morning 2x night) a day of Valium and acquired an 8mg Sub tablet. Would the best ROA be snorted or subling' ? Also if I IV 80mg of oxy to get satisfactorily high, yet I chip and only use opiates on weekends- would 4mg be an appropriate starting dosage along with the Valium? I never get WD's via chipping it or even throw up when I take 80mg IV, due to being big and tall (I suppose?) Anyhow for those tl;dr

How much of a Sub 8 should a large individual that can do 80mg oxy IV with low/no tolerance and not get sick do and what ROA would be best? I am just a bit cautious due to the fact that its a very powerful substance and I'd like to be careful since I'm without personal experience. Thanks for your time if you have any input...
peace, Org

 

[orgone]

Although I can't answer your question, I wanted to address this statement.

I find it fascinating that a 2mg or 4mg dose of Suboxone produces the same or better effects than a dose of 8mg or more. Because I, and several other people have been reporting the same thing for some time now.

I know the general consensus is that the naloxone in Suboxone is rendered ineffective by buprenorphine's higher affinity, but I can't help but think that there is some sort of plateau with Suboxone, after which the naloxone starts having affecting the experience. I just can't think of any other reason for this.

Does anyone have any more information on this subject?

After reading through this thread I've seen other posts that say over 8mg in a day is a waste... your post seems to concur with those findings. Is it absolutely a dangerous thing to take with benzos even if you've got a hearty benzo but not opiate tolerance?

edit: My apologies to the OD mods I didn't mean to post/quote reply and post again in a second post, wanted to edit and add this to my previous post. Please feel free to consolidate them if necessary.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

You will want a zero opiate tolerance when doing suboxone, that or, to be in sufficient withdrawal symptoms.