vortex30
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If you read the last page or so...Things have improved immensely, though I was totally vouching for its closure on page 3 or 4.
Snitches... rats...
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If you read the last page or so...Things have improved immensely, though I was totally vouching for its closure on page 3 or 4.
The reason theres so many people on here who is in support of it is becuz this site is 99% white ppl and apparently they think that their own world n rules is the only ones that are worth a shit. Id love to see anyone of them come down to paterson or newark with that attitude and proudly snitch like it aint no thing the way they claim they would on here.
Frank Lucas
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Yeah, the whiteboy snitch stereotype is very well-represented unfortunately. I've been set up by people of both races, but there is somewhat more eagerness to talk to the police among the low-melanin crowd. I've been known to beat someone because I saw that they moved recklessly or I knew they would narc without hesitation. If some weasly punk wouldn't take no for answer and they texted me with something incriminating, or I just got a bad feeling in my gut, I would do us both a favor and substitute a safe legal substance like aspirin. If they were white, I would play on their own prejudice and say I got beat by some black dude. I'm not trying to sound hard, but I'm just giving an example of how in the drug game things are not always as simple as Economics 101 and sometimes even getting beat has nothing to do with money or "because I'm white." Take it from a caucasian who knows a thing or two. It has more to do with "I have snitch written all over my forehead, and I shouldn't be doing drugs anyway if I have such a great life and think that I deserve to live more than the next guy."
Tupac777
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actually i was talkin about black sterotypes.i was sayin people dont mess around wit me since im black,and that must mean im automatically in a gang,or imma pull a gun on em or somethin along those lines haha,so people tend to steer clear
Binge Artist
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I think what's causing the heat in this thread is obvious.
Lacey seems to be fairly caught up in the drug world, and Vortex seems to be a bit of an outsider. IMO, Lacey's reactions to Vortex's posts are analogous, for example, to how certain religious groups get hot under the collar when outsiders make fun of their beliefs.
Lacey seems to be fairly caught up in the drug world, and Vortex seems to be a bit of an outsider. IMO, Lacey's reactions to Vortex's posts are analogous, for example, to how certain religious groups get hot under the collar when outsiders make fun of their beliefs.
vortex30
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Actually, I didn't say ANYTHING about her beliefs, she is stomping on my beliefs, not the other way around. Her beliefs, in fact, I state respect for in my first post, so I don't know what her problem is and why she's all like, "Ohhh, come 'round my neighborhood and see how you do." Cool. I avoid the ghetto for obvious reasons, not related to snitching but more to avoid the low-life scum that tend to be more densely populated in those parts.
As far as I can see, she shouldn't be a mod and from the looks of things, claire or someone else should actually fill the position, because not only does claire appear equally as knowledgeable in the drug world, she's also respectful and upholds the rules, even told someone off for continually attacking me. That's what mods are supposed to do, state your opinion, yeah sure, even debate like claire was, but keep things under control at the same time.
So far, there are TWO people debating this side of the argument, and we aren't even in 'support' of it, we just state that it is a possibility given the right circumstances and agreements and contracts, etc. Apparently your notion of white people is as limited as my notion of the drug world. "Proudly snitch," like it is "no thing (sic)" haha, now you're putting words in our mouths? Never once did I say it was a matter of pride, it is a matter of self-interest, and that is NOT something I'm proud of, it is something about myself that makes me human. Perhaps my limited understanding of the drug world has made me feel that snitching is going to be more beneficial than keeping quiet. You guys have demonstrated that this could not be the case in certain areas and groups, well you haven't, lacey k, you're just a troll.
Another funny thing is you probably wouldn't last a second in my rich-suburban areas either, the cops would be all over you in seconds, and yes, it would be because you're black and would stand out as a 'gangsta ghetto' girl. You can have your rules where you live, we'll stick to ours (and stay the fuck out of your area), and the society will work as it has for a while now.
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i know a few folks (junkies) who acctually keep cops' cards for dealers who are a little crooked and are willing to rip folks off (takin 2 20 packs and breaking them down into 4 10 packs) etc.
tbqh i have no remorse for dealers. do i snitch? no simply because i was brought up not to, for any reason, wether it be school, cops, jobs, whatever i just don't do it
but if a dealer fucked someone over on a deal and he went down for a crime because of a little 528-cash action i wouldnt shed a tear or thought of "wow thats fucked up"
this is the game you choose to play and wether you like it or not the rules have already been made long before you entered it.
and for those who say "snitching doesnt get you anywhere" i know a few people who talk freely of talking to cops, crooked cops at that, in return they look the other way on their dealings and sometimes even give them cash.
memphis is fucked
i in no way condone or endorse snitching but in some peoples cases IT IS A WAY OUT. say you're young mother copping some dope (any type) from a track....im willing to bet half of the folks here would snitch in a second rather than spend an unknown amount of time in jail while their kids have no one to watch them (yeah i understand mothers shouldnt be copping blah blah blah but it does happen). and btw if you think you got snitched on YOU HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO HAVE THE SNITCH OR CI IN COURT ON YOUR SENTENCING DATE. they will also show you the paper work and name of said informant as long as hes not undercover
ive also had cops stop by me in north memphis and intentionally try to pass they're card to me on the street (in front of people) and have had plenty of them say "$100 a name"
tbqh i have no remorse for dealers. do i snitch? no simply because i was brought up not to, for any reason, wether it be school, cops, jobs, whatever i just don't do it
but if a dealer fucked someone over on a deal and he went down for a crime because of a little 528-cash action i wouldnt shed a tear or thought of "wow thats fucked up"
this is the game you choose to play and wether you like it or not the rules have already been made long before you entered it.
and for those who say "snitching doesnt get you anywhere" i know a few people who talk freely of talking to cops, crooked cops at that, in return they look the other way on their dealings and sometimes even give them cash.
memphis is fucked
i in no way condone or endorse snitching but in some peoples cases IT IS A WAY OUT. say you're young mother copping some dope (any type) from a track....im willing to bet half of the folks here would snitch in a second rather than spend an unknown amount of time in jail while their kids have no one to watch them (yeah i understand mothers shouldnt be copping blah blah blah but it does happen). and btw if you think you got snitched on YOU HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO HAVE THE SNITCH OR CI IN COURT ON YOUR SENTENCING DATE. they will also show you the paper work and name of said informant as long as hes not undercover
ive also had cops stop by me in north memphis and intentionally try to pass they're card to me on the street (in front of people) and have had plenty of them say "$100 a name"
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please do not comment on my friend lacey. ever heard KEEP MY NAME OUT YOUR MOUTH.
kthxbye
also ROFL at a newbie reccomending a newbie for modship
i dont know you and dont want beef i just think its funny
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vortex30
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I actually haven't heard that saying...All I know of lacey k is what I've seen in this here thread, I know a fair bit more about claire and I've never seen her be disrespectful once, though maybe she has been. Hey, maybe lacey k is moderator abilities encapsulated as far as Bluelight is concerned, maybe she does a stand up job, all I know is she IS a troll in this particular thread, and on most forums, trolling mods lose their job.
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I don't really think claire SHOULD be a mod, not yet, I just think she'd do a better job in fact HAS done a better job in this thread. Noob to bluelight, not to internet forums.
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I don't really think claire SHOULD be a mod, not yet, I just think she'd do a better job in fact HAS done a better job in this thread. Noob to bluelight, not to internet forums.
delta_9
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Exactly. I dont go to these neighborhoods because I dont like the people, not because I'm scared of them or because they're so big and bad as lacey seems to think 8)vortex30 said:
I do drugs, a lot of drugs, and these neighborhoods obviously have a lot of drugs, so on paper you would think that I would love these places right? So there must be a reason why I stay away from them. It's because the people are scum and they dont give a shit about anything except the money in their pockets.
Lacey, seriously, I'm not trying to start another fight and I'm not flaming but dont be racist.lacey k said:
If you're out of ideas and arguments already that's fine just leave this thread alone, but dont drag race into this as you dont know what the hell you're talking about.
claire22
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Lacey is white.
Tupac777
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Haha,fail.
claire22
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Can you honestly not see why she would be saying that though? You may think the ghetto is full of " low-life scum" but rats are seen as the lowest of all lows. Nobody tolerates a rat, never! Even little kids in the school yard get teased if they "dob" on someone, do you see where this is going? Even 5 year olds hate rats. What is the point of getting somebody in trouble who has provided you with a service, illegal or legal? You just don't get someone else in trouble because it suits you and you have something to gain. Maybe they are drug dealing to save up for university or something, did you ever stop to think that maybe it might ruin their lives too? Ratting is just supreme selfishness, that is why lacey is getting so mad because it truly is NOT tolerated. Maybe she didn't handle it 100% correctly but calling where she lives "populated with low-life scum" is not going to get YOU anywhere.
Okay I don't want this to turn into a "lacey's moderating skills are incompetent & Claire's much superior" because that is not the case in any way shape or form. I never suggested that. But just because I registered in August or whatever doesn't mean I don't know my shit. I am relatively new to the forums, yes, but I've been involved in this scene a long while. A longer membership doesn't mean a persons intelligence or mod skills are low, in fact it means absolutely nothing. Anyway this is off topic - back to conversation.
I think she was trying to say that white people are more likely to snitch than the black community, she wasn't putting down whites (she is white!) just pointing out that whites are often more intimidated by police, also more likely to try and weasel their way out of legal troubles by naming names. I haven't seen any statistics to prove this, but it sounds just about right to me. Of course there are exceptions to this, but lacey has a point.
delta_9
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You dont think there are rats in the "ghetto"? I know there are many in my city. How do you think these "rats" get info about those in the ghetto to begin with? Because many of them live there.clair said:
If you feel rats are scum than this would support what vortex was saying.
This is not relevant at all. A 5 year old does not understand why he or she hates something.clair said:
Now were just going in circles. You made this point before.clair said:
I know exactly what she was trying to say and it's absurd. This is not a race issue in any way.clair said:
I dont think there is any truth to her post. White people are NOT more likely to snitch and they are not more likely to fear police, quite the opposite in fact, minorities often fear police much more than white people.
It dosen't matter if she is white(I honestly dont know if she is or not), as I said this is not an issue of race.
I certainly hope we can shift gears here as I dont want to see any more posts involving race.
I know it's off topic but clair I definately agree with your 2nd paragraph.
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claire22
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Of course there are, there are rats everywhere. But I'd say basically they rat because the other dealer may be 'competition' - not because they are caught and rat out their dealer for a reduced charge. In the grade of the drug scene from where I am - it is rare. They deal with eachother personally, nobody rats out to the cops. I am not 100% sure about the Ghetto, because I am not affiliated with that scene, it doesn't really exist around here, so don't quote me on the above.
5 yr olds aren't as dumb as you'd like to think. They dislike rats because it gets them into trouble, because the other person told on them. They aren't brainless twats, it is basically instinct to dislike it when somebody else gets you in trouble (especially for their own personal gain..)
delta_9
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Fair enough. Every city's different and I can only speak from what I've witnessed in my area.
Please dont put words in my mouth. I never said 5 year olds are dumb. However, 5 year olds do NOT have the mental faculties and experience that you and I have to be able to form any kind of decent opinion on this matter.
Can we move on please? I dont want to talk about 5 year olds.
vortex30
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Oh, haha, well my bad I guess! The post I was responding to doesn't appear to have been made by a white person, but maybe I shouldn't have assumed anything. Being white myself, I wouldn't talk about the demographics of white people on Bluelight, or the belief systems white people hold. But hey, I didn't bring race into this discussion, I just responded to a comment about race, assuming if one were to put down an entire race, they would belong to a different race, but I guess this was a logical fallacy. Race issues rarely make any sense anyways.
Oh, I totally see your point about a lack of tolerating snitching, but it isn't a MODERATOR'S job to put someone down the way she has been ESPECIALLY if they have presented themselves showing utter respect for the opposing view. She should have debated with me, the way you have been, and you are in a position where you could, if you wanted to, act as she has been acting. Every put down I have placed has been reactionary, not uhh, the opposite of that, haha (bit fucked on GBL at the moment, oh don't have to snitch on no one if I get caught with this, hehe).
I said the ghettos are more densely populated with low life scum, people like that exist everywhere naturally, I'm totally aware of this, there are plenty in suburbia, but the fact is, the ghetto IS more densely populated with them, and that is why I avoid those areas. Yeah, it has to do with fear and anxieties, but not because of the reasons she stated, more to do with increased risk, ya know? Like, I TOTALLY see the flaw in my position, that doesn't mean it is not deserving of at least a little respect, when we are placed in this environment, you know? I understand lacey k would hate me in person, maybe shank me or something ridiculous like that, but over the internet...Pathetic...
That is utterly ridiculous, in my opinion. That means that police discrimination is totally fine and acceptable, because black people are more likely to break the law, deal drugs, carry weapons, etc and this IS backed up by statistical data, whereas your position is not. Maybe it is true on a statistical basis, that doesn't mean we can just start following it as a rule of thumb, if we can, if that is acceptable, than so many things we have deemed unacceptable in modern, western society, in fact are acceptable.
Besides, police discrimination at least in a round about way has SOME benefit to society as a whole (more criminals being caught and put in prison, who cares if they're black or white, they are a danger to society either way), whereas not snitching on possibly violent, definitely criminally involved drug dealers serves no purpose except for keeping them out of prison (which, if anything, is harmful to society, I can see how it could also be neutral).
Bringing race into this was just a stupid idea as far as I am concerned, it serves no purpose.
You do not snitch on someone for a victimless crime. That's just mutual-fucking-respect. Obviously if it is hurting nobody but the consumer, there is no harm done in keeping your mouth shut. Cops tell you that drugs and drug users fund terrorists and entice gang violence which is correct. They don't tell you that the illegality status alone accounts for every fallen victim in the war on drugs. Alcohol vendors only shot other alcohol vendors during the alcohol prohibition. Coincidence? Nope.
There's a reason rats are the lowest of the low, a reason they're the prime type of people to shank when you're locked up.
Anyway, a square wouldn't know how to do circle things - ya dig? And since you don't know the number one rule of doing anything underground, maybe you just shouldn't talk? Your viewpoints are obviously conflicting and cause arguing. Perhaps it would be wiser to keep your nose and your opinion out of this thread?
Have a nice day, and perhaps when you get snitched on for a victimless crime, you will learn what it feels like to have a person take your money, ruin possible career opportunities and take your most sacred thing--freedom--over a simple conversation. And for what gain?.. hah.
(Maybe he's just a late bloomer? Some kids take a bit longer to mentally mature, you know? Who in their right mind could think like this? and then talk about it on a drug forum? Either a troll or plain ignorant..which one?)
There's a reason rats are the lowest of the low, a reason they're the prime type of people to shank when you're locked up.
Anyway, a square wouldn't know how to do circle things - ya dig? And since you don't know the number one rule of doing anything underground, maybe you just shouldn't talk? Your viewpoints are obviously conflicting and cause arguing. Perhaps it would be wiser to keep your nose and your opinion out of this thread?
Have a nice day, and perhaps when you get snitched on for a victimless crime, you will learn what it feels like to have a person take your money, ruin possible career opportunities and take your most sacred thing--freedom--over a simple conversation. And for what gain?.. hah.
(Maybe he's just a late bloomer? Some kids take a bit longer to mentally mature, you know? Who in their right mind could think like this? and then talk about it on a drug forum? Either a troll or plain ignorant..which one?)
delta_9
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Thank you for repeating everything already said in this thread.
We are just going around in circles when people post the same thing over and over again, and it is no longer a debate.
Actually since you're just regurgitating the previous pages maybe you should stay out of this thread. Please read the entire thing and reply only if you have some new ideas.Perhaps it would be wiser to keep your nose and your opinion out of this thread?
We are just going around in circles when people post the same thing over and over again, and it is no longer a debate.
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