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Thinking About Trying Tar, Instead Of Pills
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Akomplice
Bluelighter
Thanks quasi
Yeah true
This is the main thing a lot of you don't understand. I still up my dosages to get high, that's the problem. I still spend the money and still use more and more. Just because it costs more doesn't mean I don't do it.
A lot of this is the pot calling the kettle black sort of shit.
Peace
Thanks
Yeah true
This is the main thing a lot of you don't understand. I still up my dosages to get high, that's the problem. I still spend the money and still use more and more. Just because it costs more doesn't mean I don't do it.
A lot of this is the pot calling the kettle black sort of shit.
Peace
Thanks
ohline
Bluelighter
uhh.. and?
you're asking a question from people with experience, right?
or do you want someone not knowing what they're talking about say to you "dude, do it. all your dreams will come true and every woman will blow you"
but hell, even someone who doesn't know what they're talking about should know to say it's a bad fucking idea
all ANYONE is speaking is the truth. we've atleast got the courage to say we've made stupid decisions and not want someone else to have to go through it if they don't have to.
and truthfully.. no one has to.
Hendrix Haze15
Bluelighter
Oxycodone has more of a speedy feeling high, while dope is a more physical nodding type. I've never tried heroin, but that's what I know about its effects.
Like one may be able to be extremely high from OC and be able to function fairly normally, but I don't think it's that easy to function and do everyday tasks while nodding your ass off heroin.[/QUOTE]
So you have done heroin or you havent??? Parts of your two posts totally contradict each other.
Akomplice
Bluelighter
Hello
Did you read the guy's post?
Have I acted like that towards anyone that's actually trying to help me or whatever?
Except
The thing that really pisses me off tho, is instead of harm reduction you're trying to "save my life"
The right thing to do would be to answer my questions so I don't go and smoke a gram in one sittting.
But half of you are so quick to tell other people how to live their lives because you don't know how to run your own.
The first post in this thread, has anyone read it? Doesn't seem like it. Cause all I'm hearing is people trying to talk me out of it, that's one of the first things I said.
Also I asked for help and advice, I OBVIOUSLY MADE MY MIND UP. If you read my first post you would have read that.
So why the hell are all of you surprised when I argue with you?
I actually asked people not to try to preach and talk me out of it.
So as much as I do appreciate everyone trying to save me. That's not what this site is about. That might be your idea of harm reduction but it's not mine.
When someone asks how to shoot heroin, and all of you say "don't" "nooo!' " you're gunna regret it". And you don't tell him.
He's probably gunna do it anyway and guess what, if you would have answered his question like harm reduction was ment. He might not have OD'd.
That's harm reduction.
If you want to get people off drugs, step over to a recovery board. If you want to tell people how to live their lives, get a psychology degree. Otherwise stick to harm reduction.
Thanks for the few who answered my questions. Everyone else as much as I appreciate it and dont mean to be a dick. STOP.
I didn't ask for help, I DON'T WANT TO QUIT OPIATES.
And lemme ask you, if someone would have said the stuff you've been saying to you "back then" would it have stopped you?
Anyway
Peace,
-Akomplice
Did you read the guy's post?
Have I acted like that towards anyone that's actually trying to help me or whatever?
Except
The thing that really pisses me off tho, is instead of harm reduction you're trying to "save my life"
The right thing to do would be to answer my questions so I don't go and smoke a gram in one sittting.
But half of you are so quick to tell other people how to live their lives because you don't know how to run your own.
The first post in this thread, has anyone read it? Doesn't seem like it. Cause all I'm hearing is people trying to talk me out of it, that's one of the first things I said.
Also I asked for help and advice, I OBVIOUSLY MADE MY MIND UP. If you read my first post you would have read that.
So why the hell are all of you surprised when I argue with you?
I actually asked people not to try to preach and talk me out of it.
So as much as I do appreciate everyone trying to save me. That's not what this site is about. That might be your idea of harm reduction but it's not mine.
When someone asks how to shoot heroin, and all of you say "don't" "nooo!' " you're gunna regret it". And you don't tell him.
He's probably gunna do it anyway and guess what, if you would have answered his question like harm reduction was ment. He might not have OD'd.
That's harm reduction.
If you want to get people off drugs, step over to a recovery board. If you want to tell people how to live their lives, get a psychology degree. Otherwise stick to harm reduction.
Thanks for the few who answered my questions. Everyone else as much as I appreciate it and dont mean to be a dick. STOP.
I didn't ask for help, I DON'T WANT TO QUIT OPIATES.
And lemme ask you, if someone would have said the stuff you've been saying to you "back then" would it have stopped you?
Anyway
Peace,
-Akomplice
Akomplice
Bluelighter
So you have done heroin or you havent??? Parts of your two posts totally contradict each other.[/QUOTE]
Thank you.
ohline
Bluelighter
the reason no one has really answered your question is because
a) you don't seem to know where to even find it
b) (obvious) you don't have it sitting in front of you
depending on how it's sold, if you get a bUndle.. bundlebundlebundle.. if you say "bindle" to someone, you're likely to be caught in a bad situation.. you should try up to .2 (which is a big bag, here)
or if you're not sure how much is how much.. $20 worth the first time.
a) you don't seem to know where to even find it
b) (obvious) you don't have it sitting in front of you
depending on how it's sold, if you get a bUndle.. bundlebundlebundle.. if you say "bindle" to someone, you're likely to be caught in a bad situation.. you should try up to .2 (which is a big bag, here)
or if you're not sure how much is how much.. $20 worth the first time.
Akomplice
Bluelighter
Thanks. That's harm reduction and what I was looking for when I first posted this thread.
Anyway, from what I know. A bindle or bundle is a gram, usually Ten .1 baloons.
I could be wrong.
I know where to get it. I haven't gotten it cause A.) It's pouring rain out here right now. So I don't think it'd be as easy as to just go down to hollywood or skid row asking to cop a gram and the person I know that can get it can get it tomorrow.
Well the thing is I'm buying a gram. But hopefully .1 a day or maybe .2 will be enough.
I don't know if I should smoke a whole .1 or if I should smoke a 1/4 of a balloon.
I'm most likely getting it tomorrow from a friend of the family. I was wondering how long a gram will last me if I only smoke like every 6 hours or so, the way I take pills.
I obviously am not a heroin expert or I wouldn't be on this site asking questions right?
But that's what you guys are here for.
ohline
Bluelighter
honestly, you could end up going through an entire gram within a day with your tolerance.
a gram for me last no longer than 8 hours. it just all depends. and something you have to keep in mind is that it IS heroin, not pharms. meaning, you really never know what you're getting.
i'm on the east coast, so the shit i get is pretty good. i really know nothing of the west coast dope scene. but i can get a bundle and do bag after bag after bag.. or on a good day do ONE bag and be nodding for a couple of hours. you just have to feel it out, really. and you'll have to each time.. unless you know your source is still selling the same shit you've gotten from them before.
and about work.. as i've seen a few other people talk about just before posting this.. dude, be fucking careful. there have been a handful of times where i've gotten straight before work and while at work (standing up) nodded the fuck out. i was unable to do anything for more than 30 seconds without tipping over. it DOES happen.
a gram for me last no longer than 8 hours. it just all depends. and something you have to keep in mind is that it IS heroin, not pharms. meaning, you really never know what you're getting.
i'm on the east coast, so the shit i get is pretty good. i really know nothing of the west coast dope scene. but i can get a bundle and do bag after bag after bag.. or on a good day do ONE bag and be nodding for a couple of hours. you just have to feel it out, really. and you'll have to each time.. unless you know your source is still selling the same shit you've gotten from them before.
and about work.. as i've seen a few other people talk about just before posting this.. dude, be fucking careful. there have been a handful of times where i've gotten straight before work and while at work (standing up) nodded the fuck out. i was unable to do anything for more than 30 seconds without tipping over. it DOES happen.
Akomplice
Bluelighter
Thank you very much ohline
Yeah, I might have to just save pills for work and heroin for home.
Anyway thank you =] , that was the kind of info Im looking for.
Thanks guys for getting on track, please keep this type of stuff coming. That's what really helps.
Peace,
-Akomplice
Yeah, I might have to just save pills for work and heroin for home.
Anyway thank you =] , that was the kind of info Im looking for.
Thanks guys for getting on track, please keep this type of stuff coming. That's what really helps.
Peace,
-Akomplice
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ohline
Bluelighter
*lady, and no problem.
just do us all a favor and stay away from those pointy things.
Akomplice
Bluelighter
My bad =P
I'm going to try. I don't plan on it. But I'm not superman.
That's all I can really say. But I have had many chances to slam oxys, dillys and morphine with a clean rig and I've yet to do it. I've even turned heroin down when I was pretty damn dope sick. I also turned down a shot of ms contin while in withdrawl and decided to wait till I could get pills.
Hopefully smoking or snorting will be enough.
But I have had IV/IM morphine, demerol and dilaudid in the hospital.
Of course I'l not the first person to say that. Nor will I be the last.
Thank you =]
I'm going to try. I don't plan on it. But I'm not superman.
That's all I can really say. But I have had many chances to slam oxys, dillys and morphine with a clean rig and I've yet to do it. I've even turned heroin down when I was pretty damn dope sick. I also turned down a shot of ms contin while in withdrawl and decided to wait till I could get pills.
Hopefully smoking or snorting will be enough.
But I have had IV/IM morphine, demerol and dilaudid in the hospital.
Of course I'l not the first person to say that. Nor will I be the last.
Thank you =]
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ohline
Bluelighter
that's good, man.
because honestly, once you switched to the needle, you're in deep shit. not to mention what it does to your arms (and you said you're in the movie industry?) it could look pretty bad.
smoking it or snorting it should work just peachy if you don't IV. smoking it should actually give you a nice little rush. that is with the expectation that it's decent shit. i managed to go a year and a half on the H without finally succumbing to the needle. it's very doable.
and take what's been said with a grain of salt. i know it's very preachy but it's not without very good reason. you seem like a good dude, and no one wants to see that go to waste. added, when i commented, i was very dopesick and hating life, and drugs and the like. but i know you're already addicted, thus you're going to take that step that most of us regrettably have.
be safe. that's all.
because honestly, once you switched to the needle, you're in deep shit. not to mention what it does to your arms (and you said you're in the movie industry?) it could look pretty bad.
smoking it or snorting it should work just peachy if you don't IV. smoking it should actually give you a nice little rush. that is with the expectation that it's decent shit. i managed to go a year and a half on the H without finally succumbing to the needle. it's very doable.
and take what's been said with a grain of salt. i know it's very preachy but it's not without very good reason. you seem like a good dude, and no one wants to see that go to waste. added, when i commented, i was very dopesick and hating life, and drugs and the like. but i know you're already addicted, thus you're going to take that step that most of us regrettably have.
be safe. that's all.
Akomplice
Bluelighter
How long does smoking tar last?
Like how long does the rush and then the actual opiate high last?
Like how long does the rush and then the actual opiate high last?
Having taken MANY pharms. and smoked A LOT of tar. the buzz is WORLDS apart.
pharms. have this happy euphoria, energetic, make you wana hug everyone. clean your room. talk to whoever for hours for no reason feeling. When i took a dose of hydrocodone, i could run a business and be damn near perfect at it too.
Tar is nowhere near that buzz. it is euphoric, but just a sit down, dont do shit kinda buzz. I could not imagine smoking tar, and remotely being productive. well i could but i would give up quick and light a cigarette. lol
as for the "how much should i smoke" start slow and go from there. you will know when your high enough, and if you dont figure it out on your own. you will just tart nodding away, HARD.
Take it ez, and go slow. tolerance builds MUCH faster then with pharms. MUCH
My other advice to you would be to not just drive into skid row looking all pretty and shit and expect to get some H. you will either get your ass beat, killed, raped or robbed.
downtown is your best bet, dont put yourself in a situation that might get you arrested or hurt.
The Mexicans control the H trade in the area. and they have quality stuff from what i remember.
lol
I hope i dont see your face on TMZ,
You seem like a smart guy bro, and your grown up, just know your making a huge step towards the wrong direction. ive lost MANY friends to tar.
i wish you luck. be safe. and control it the best you can.
and if you disregard EVERYTHING i said in this post. walk away with this please.
NEVER EVER EVER SHOOT IT. ESP TAR.
Fuck the way shooting ruins lives, it is EXTREMELY dirty. many many many unsanitary people handle tar. you dont wana put that shit in your arm man.
pharms. have this happy euphoria, energetic, make you wana hug everyone. clean your room. talk to whoever for hours for no reason feeling. When i took a dose of hydrocodone, i could run a business and be damn near perfect at it too.
Tar is nowhere near that buzz. it is euphoric, but just a sit down, dont do shit kinda buzz. I could not imagine smoking tar, and remotely being productive. well i could but i would give up quick and light a cigarette. lol
as for the "how much should i smoke" start slow and go from there. you will know when your high enough, and if you dont figure it out on your own. you will just tart nodding away, HARD.
Take it ez, and go slow. tolerance builds MUCH faster then with pharms. MUCH
My other advice to you would be to not just drive into skid row looking all pretty and shit and expect to get some H. you will either get your ass beat, killed, raped or robbed.
downtown is your best bet, dont put yourself in a situation that might get you arrested or hurt.
The Mexicans control the H trade in the area. and they have quality stuff from what i remember.
lol
I hope i dont see your face on TMZ,
You seem like a smart guy bro, and your grown up, just know your making a huge step towards the wrong direction. ive lost MANY friends to tar.
i wish you luck. be safe. and control it the best you can.
and if you disregard EVERYTHING i said in this post. walk away with this please.
NEVER EVER EVER SHOOT IT. ESP TAR.
Fuck the way shooting ruins lives, it is EXTREMELY dirty. many many many unsanitary people handle tar. you dont wana put that shit in your arm man.
Akomplice
Bluelighter
Oh when I said I work in the movie industry I didn't mean I'm a movie star. I'm a lighting tech. Kind of like a grip. Sometimes a bestboy. Strictly behind camera tho so I wont be on TMZ lol
Thank you enYAY, yeah I'm not gunna go up in skid row or echo park and try to cop some dope. Hopefully this guy I know comes through. If not I'm gunna be heading to the like valley off sepulveda or some shit. Idk
I'm gunna try not to ever shoot it but try is all I can really do. But try my heardest is what I'll do.
Anyway any other info or advice you could give me would be awesome.
Thanks guys
peace,
-Akomplice
Thank you enYAY, yeah I'm not gunna go up in skid row or echo park and try to cop some dope. Hopefully this guy I know comes through. If not I'm gunna be heading to the like valley off sepulveda or some shit. Idk
I'm gunna try not to ever shoot it but try is all I can really do. But try my heardest is what I'll do.
Anyway any other info or advice you could give me would be awesome.
Thanks guys
peace,
-Akomplice
Akomplice
Bluelighter
By the way I get high and watch TMZ at 7 too lol
Akomplice,
I didn't take the time to read you piecing up and analyzing my post. I wrote it as a response to Mr. Blonde in order to clarify something I said based on my own experiences.
From what I read before I lost interest, you seemed to believe I was saying that oxy addiction isn't as serious as heroin addiction. I said, in fact, the opposite.
But like I said, I didn't read your post. My initial post in this thread gave you some ideas on how to reduce the harm to you when using tar for the first time. The rest of what I wrote in this thread is theoretical bs that can be debated. I usually stay away from that on boards like this because some jackass (no offense) is always quick to jump all over your previously mentioned SUBJECTIVE beliefs and write a diatribe decrying what you said.
The only reason I even ventured into Addiction Theory topics is because Mr. Blonde asked me to clarify.
End of story.
I didn't take the time to read you piecing up and analyzing my post. I wrote it as a response to Mr. Blonde in order to clarify something I said based on my own experiences.
From what I read before I lost interest, you seemed to believe I was saying that oxy addiction isn't as serious as heroin addiction. I said, in fact, the opposite.
But like I said, I didn't read your post. My initial post in this thread gave you some ideas on how to reduce the harm to you when using tar for the first time. The rest of what I wrote in this thread is theoretical bs that can be debated. I usually stay away from that on boards like this because some jackass (no offense) is always quick to jump all over your previously mentioned SUBJECTIVE beliefs and write a diatribe decrying what you said.
The only reason I even ventured into Addiction Theory topics is because Mr. Blonde asked me to clarify.
End of story.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
There's nothing wrong with trying a drug out, but you have to be honest with yourself - if you're already addicted to oxycodone (which is something I've derived from your post, correct me if I'm wrong) then I think switching to heroin would be better for you in the sense that, if you can keep your use to a minimum (which is something you probably won't be able to accomplish if you ate through 20 of the 10mg oxycodone...) but assuming you could, it would save you money.
It's better in the sense that there isn't any APAP in dope.
But if you're looking at this situation logically, you have to realize that heroin is way more potent than oxycodone.
For example...if you're addicted to dextro-amphetamine, and then try meth, I'm sure your addiction will only be intensified.
If you're addicted (somewhat) to snorting coke, then try crack, I'm sure your addiction will only be intensified (though some people dislike crack when compared to coke).
You have to realize heroin is going to be a substance you will have less control over yourself when compared to oxycodone.
The thing is, if you're saying you're already addicted to oxycodone and don't like having to withdrawal for 3 weeks, and heroin would be a more reasonable withdrawal of 3 days, you have to realize it'll be a more intense withdrawal if you want to shorten its duration.
I suggest taking a serious consideration if you want to make this jump. You can, but is it worth it? Do you want to keep taking oxycodone/heroin/soon to be whatever dope is around, anything to ward off WD's?
If you are already addicted I guess it doesn't matter if you don't mind a worse, more intense WD for a better, more intense high. It's all up to you.
Just please don't go into this thinking it will be less addictive than oxycodone, because it won't and you'll fall hard on your face. At first heroin's going to make you feel great, but as the days turn into weeks, it's going to make you feel worse, and worse, and worse.
It's a payoff you have to choose for yourself if you really think without heroin you'll keep dosing oxycodone, as you said like they're skittles, and the inevitable liver damage will one day leave you in a worse condition than heroin would have, then maybe this is a switch you need to make.
If you want your life to get better and just want to get clean, I wouldn't advise touching heroin for more than one day in a row (especially if you're already opiate dependent).
You're going to get more dope for your money with heroin, but you also have to realize with more dope you're going to have a greater monkey on your back. That's about what it comes down to. If you don't care and you feel like you already have a monkey on your back that won't get off...does it matter? Ask yourself this. Look around about the posts of people dealing with heroin addiction and ask yourself if you really need opiates to still be in your life, and if you need it to get to that level.
Also, I don't understand everyone's qualms about IVing...you're still doing HEROIN. Did you think that you could some how not get addicted by avoiding a needle? No...you're just going to do more to get the same high. There's a difference between IV heroin and eating 10mg oxycodone...but between smoking heroin, IV heroin, and insuffulation heroin, there's not a bit of difference other than the way it hits you, the bioavailability, and the duration. You're still using heroin and you're still going to withdrawal from it when you abuse it.
If you go into something already an addict, and you're moving from oxycodone to heroin, what's the big deal if you start to use a needle? You're already choosing the more addictive substance.
It's better in the sense that there isn't any APAP in dope.
But if you're looking at this situation logically, you have to realize that heroin is way more potent than oxycodone.
For example...if you're addicted to dextro-amphetamine, and then try meth, I'm sure your addiction will only be intensified.
If you're addicted (somewhat) to snorting coke, then try crack, I'm sure your addiction will only be intensified (though some people dislike crack when compared to coke).
You have to realize heroin is going to be a substance you will have less control over yourself when compared to oxycodone.
The thing is, if you're saying you're already addicted to oxycodone and don't like having to withdrawal for 3 weeks, and heroin would be a more reasonable withdrawal of 3 days, you have to realize it'll be a more intense withdrawal if you want to shorten its duration.
I suggest taking a serious consideration if you want to make this jump. You can, but is it worth it? Do you want to keep taking oxycodone/heroin/soon to be whatever dope is around, anything to ward off WD's?
If you are already addicted I guess it doesn't matter if you don't mind a worse, more intense WD for a better, more intense high. It's all up to you.
Just please don't go into this thinking it will be less addictive than oxycodone, because it won't and you'll fall hard on your face. At first heroin's going to make you feel great, but as the days turn into weeks, it's going to make you feel worse, and worse, and worse.
It's a payoff you have to choose for yourself if you really think without heroin you'll keep dosing oxycodone, as you said like they're skittles, and the inevitable liver damage will one day leave you in a worse condition than heroin would have, then maybe this is a switch you need to make.
If you want your life to get better and just want to get clean, I wouldn't advise touching heroin for more than one day in a row (especially if you're already opiate dependent).
You're going to get more dope for your money with heroin, but you also have to realize with more dope you're going to have a greater monkey on your back. That's about what it comes down to. If you don't care and you feel like you already have a monkey on your back that won't get off...does it matter? Ask yourself this. Look around about the posts of people dealing with heroin addiction and ask yourself if you really need opiates to still be in your life, and if you need it to get to that level.
Also, I don't understand everyone's qualms about IVing...you're still doing HEROIN. Did you think that you could some how not get addicted by avoiding a needle? No...you're just going to do more to get the same high. There's a difference between IV heroin and eating 10mg oxycodone...but between smoking heroin, IV heroin, and insuffulation heroin, there's not a bit of difference other than the way it hits you, the bioavailability, and the duration. You're still using heroin and you're still going to withdrawal from it when you abuse it.
If you go into something already an addict, and you're moving from oxycodone to heroin, what's the big deal if you start to use a needle? You're already choosing the more addictive substance.
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