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How to - Deal with LE.
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Verybuffed
Bluelighter
I am really enjoying this thread.
Would recording a police interaction/conversation on mobile phone or dictaphone be considered by the police to be behaving like a smart arse? i.e. will it makes things worse for you?
Would recording a police interaction/conversation on mobile phone or dictaphone be considered by the police to be behaving like a smart arse? i.e. will it makes things worse for you?
person
Bluelighter
*talking about nz here, you can ring an 0800 to see if the car your about to purchase is stolen or not, you then get the address of the owner!
*contact vodafone+telecom and ask for a log on someones txt, go on it will cost you a fee though. (was a doco on tv thats why i remember, there was also debate within vodafone+telecom about releasing info from clients, but that anyone could get a log printout, not just the police). privacy act or public information?
anyway it was just for tehlulz!!
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expothead
Bluelighter
Mid year I was dog-sniffed in a pub, read my rights (by a speed talker) and taken aside for searching.
I was required to empty my pockets. Nothing was found on my person yet the police still took the liberty of recording my name and address from my drivers license in their little black book. This troubled me greatly at the time (still does in fact) and I expected to return home to my house being searched (needless to say I had a shit night).
Were they within rights to record my name? Could I have refused (without drawing further attention to myself)? Do I now have a 'record' somewhere?
I was required to empty my pockets. Nothing was found on my person yet the police still took the liberty of recording my name and address from my drivers license in their little black book. This troubled me greatly at the time (still does in fact) and I expected to return home to my house being searched (needless to say I had a shit night).
Were they within rights to record my name? Could I have refused (without drawing further attention to myself)? Do I now have a 'record' somewhere?
organicshroom
Bluelighter
I just rang Telecom and they claim that they only record the number the text was sent to, and the time. NOT the content of the message. Though I don't believe this, is Telecom covering up their ability to record your social life?
johnboy
Bluelight Crew
What most people seem worried about is the linking of their username to an IP address. As you point out this can be more easily accomplished at the local ISP level.
There has been some talk that a defense for this is to have an open Wifi connection always on at your house, allowing anyone to use your IP. That, combined with anon proxy of all traffic, should give enough plausible denial to just say "What website?".
Perhaps the only other information stored on our server that is not directly publicly accessible is PMs or "private" messages. This is probably considered the same as email under law.
belarki
Bluelight Crew
Thanks for taking the time to make these posts fortehlulz; greatly appreciated. Lessons to learn people:
1. Carry a recording device,
2. Try to carry nothing incriminating,
3. Be polite and 'helpful' to police but know your rights and don't consent to anything unnecessary,
4. Don't ever mention anything incriminating in sms messages! It's unbelievably easy to search huge amounts of data for keywords. Don’t believe me? Look at google.
5. (In QLD at least) implements used in drug use can and will add to an existing charge whether they were used or not, eg bongs, pipes, syringes, baggies etc. As far as I know carrying multiple baggies may even land you with intent to distribute/sell charges? Perhaps you can confirm this mr lulz?
1. Carry a recording device,
2. Try to carry nothing incriminating,
3. Be polite and 'helpful' to police but know your rights and don't consent to anything unnecessary,
4. Don't ever mention anything incriminating in sms messages! It's unbelievably easy to search huge amounts of data for keywords. Don’t believe me? Look at google.
5. (In QLD at least) implements used in drug use can and will add to an existing charge whether they were used or not, eg bongs, pipes, syringes, baggies etc. As far as I know carrying multiple baggies may even land you with intent to distribute/sell charges? Perhaps you can confirm this mr lulz?
fortehlulz
Bluelighter
Per schedule 1, Durg Misuse and Trafficking Act 1985, should you be found with 300 grams of cannabis, or you are in possession of 0.75 grams of MDMA, you have a trafficable quantity. Less than 30 grams of cannabis or 0.25 grams of MDMA is simple possess.
fortehlulz
Bluelighter
Side note from the Moderators of Australian Drug Discussion.
this thread has grown very rapidly in short amount of time, but we would like to remind people that the information provided here may be innacurrate. If you want qualified legal advice the best people to talk to are community legal centres or organisations such as legal Aid in your city.
another note is that there are also legislative differneces between states and also federally, very few people are qualified to give advice across all juristictions in australia (and usually they are high court justices). Bit this should not deter people from asking questions and doing a little of their own research into the matters discussed here
madmick19
While either 'smart arse' or 'knows a lawyer' will be going through their head... what're they gonna do while being recorded?
this thread has grown very rapidly in short amount of time, but we would like to remind people that the information provided here may be innacurrate. If you want qualified legal advice the best people to talk to are community legal centres or organisations such as legal Aid in your city.
another note is that there are also legislative differneces between states and also federally, very few people are qualified to give advice across all juristictions in australia (and usually they are high court justices). Bit this should not deter people from asking questions and doing a little of their own research into the matters discussed here
madmick19
While either 'smart arse' or 'knows a lawyer' will be going through their head... what're they gonna do while being recorded?
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fortehlulz
Bluelighter
You were on licenced premises. The dog sniff was allowed. The dog sniff constitutes reasonable grounds. Your name and address was recorded as a field contact. You were on licenced premises, police are entitled by law to ask for your name and address.
fortehlulz
Bluelighter
Telstra, if you're in Australia, will tell the customer whatever it pleases with regard to messages being stored.
Case in point - Brenden Abbott, the Postcard Bandit, was told by Telecom that his pager messages all deleted within 24 hours. Lo and behold, when his pager number was located, a warrant duly produced ever message ever sent.
And I can assure you, their record keeping is just as professional now
fortehlulz
Bluelighter
That would depend on why you were searched and these were located (reasonable grounds), what you say, and where and when this occurs.
For example, if you were found with 1000 mini baggies on your way to a jewellery market in the middle of the day, no problem
If, however, you were found at 3am in the CBD with 2k in cash in your pocket, things might be different.
Context is the main issue... and you can't damage yourself any further in any issue if you EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT TO SILENCE!!!!!
Verybuffed
Bluelighter
Cool, thanks. Is a person required to tell them they are being recorded or could you just set the phone to record in your pocket?
Verybuffed
Bluelighter
I read, here I think, that if nothing was found you didn't have to provide your details, is this true? Obviously ID is the first thing they ask for and record before the search. Is there any way to politely decline that request?
When they search through a person's wallet how can you stop them, respectfully, from recording your ID?
Thanks again lulz.
So are those weights for pure substances or would 3 pills weighing 0.25g each get you caught for a trafficable quantity as long as some MDMA was found in them?
Same question for any powders you had?
Would you happen to know off hand the trafficable quantity weights for some of the other popular drugs in Australia?
EDIT: I would prefer QLD, but any state is fine, I'm just curious
I am also finding this thread very interesting. Thanks
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Mr Blonde
Bluelighter
Verybuffed said:
I don't think you can.
Verybuffed said:
I think the point is to let them know they are on record so as to keep them on their best behavior.
tyrael
Bluelighter
tyrael
Bluelighter
Well from the pdf; Cocaine, MDA, MDMA and MDEA are all considered a traffickable amount at 2g and Ketamine at 6g.
Although I'm not sure what it means by 'Commercial' or 'Large Commercial'? Is it just the total amount you can have on your person (and not considered traffickable?)
Although I'm not sure what it means by 'Commercial' or 'Large Commercial'? Is it just the total amount you can have on your person (and not considered traffickable?)
fortehlulz
Bluelighter
If you are party to a real life conversation, you are not obliged to inform the other person it is being recorded. If you're on a phone, and you record, you can either record the conversation via a non connected device (portable mini tape recorder) or, if you want to hook something physically to the line, you must use an Austel approved device (all of which suck and are useless).