How many pods do you normally use at one time?

[QuasiStoned]

One year ago I had 60mg Hydromorphone tolerence and then quit. Now, 2 month ago, I didn't use opioids for a good 6 months.

I did an order of 50pods, that come from Florida, I did a tea from 7g ground (3 pods ground) and had a great high , that take 2-3 hours to come up and last a good 8h - 12h, I was surprise as hell and couldnt beleive that. I also had a great NOD and hitching. I used pod many time afterward, potency was alway different with every batch I got.

Therefore, with all these experiences I had with Papaver somniferum and with all my previous experience and problems I had with Opioids, I personally can't agree with some of your statements rachamim , that are about the VERY LOW potency of Poppy; even if all your post in this thread are awsome and I agree with most of the rest.

I would like to ear the oppignion of others BL'S


Also, I find that the analgesic properties of Poppy tea is far better than those of Morphine and Hydrocodone and close if not better than those of Oxycodone.

I personally found poppy pods after using kratom for about 8 months (and any tolerance I gained from that was minimal, I'm sure). I've been using for about 3 months regularly (by regular I mean as often as everyday and no less often than every other day). I endured quite a terrible withdrawal and of course was lured back to the pods no sooner than a week afterwards.

I kept my use under control for a while but naturally got addicted after using for about 3 weeks (though certainly less often) and endured another withdrawal episode over the past few days.

My personal opinion is that rachamims statements may be estimating the pods to be somewhat weaker than they are. I certainly cannot prove it, and I don't mean to argrue, merely stating my opinion. Providing my subjective (and useless in terms of facts, but nonetheless I offer it) opinion, I would say that when I started using the pods, it would take me about 8 golf ball pods to feel a significant high, equal in terms of euphoria to 15mg of oxycodone I had taken before (although certainly more sedating).

After 3 months of regular use I noted that the poppy experience had turned to crap and faced the inevitable withdrawals. I try to control my useage somewhat and try not to get back into the pattern I was in before (and already have failed at that miserably, I must admit) but it takes me about 12 medium pods to get a moderate to extreme sense of euphoria and considerable respiratory depression (shallow, slow breathing). I would consider myself to have mild tolerance compared to most but to me 12 pods feels great. My gut feeling is that there is more morphine in my pods than rachamim suggests, but I cannot disprove it. All I can offer is my opinion and experience.

 

[mmmCHRISx]

I would like someone, on BL, to send rachimm, a sample of some really strong pods of theirs. Then let her decide if its all placebo.

And most people who are oxy addicts imo, are the people who have scripts, or have a steady hook up. I would definetly be buying more pods then oxy, but its actually cheaper to do oxy, so why not?

And i think all these facts and studies are bullshit, and not proven to be true at all.

So are people that are addicted to pod tea, experienceg placebo withdrawls? Get off your fucking high horse, and realize your not always right, and science doesnt always have an answer.

 

[TMu]

These are poppy pods I assume, are they the type you can just grow in your garden? I live in a standard 4 season climate, is this doable, or do you need a special climate and special seeds.

 

[Lawrence]

I personally found poppy pods after using kratom for about 8 months (and any tolerance I gained from that was minimal, I'm sure). I've been using for about 3 months regularly (by regular I mean as often as everyday and no less often than every other day). I endured quite a terrible withdrawal and of course was lured back to the pods no sooner than a week afterwards.

I kept my use under control for a while but naturally got addicted after using for about 3 weeks (though certainly less often) and endured another withdrawal episode over the past few days.

My personal opinion is that rachamims statements may be estimating the pods to be somewhat weaker than they are. I certainly cannot prove it, and I don't mean to argrue, merely stating my opinion. Providing my subjective (and useless in terms of facts, but nonetheless I offer it) opinion, I would say that when I started using the pods, it would take me about 8 golf ball pods to feel a significant high, equal in terms of euphoria to 15mg of oxycodone I had taken before (although certainly more sedating).

After 3 months of regular use I noted that the poppy experience had turned to crap and faced the inevitable withdrawals. I try to control my useage somewhat and try not to get back into the pattern I was in before (and already have failed at that miserably, I must admit) but it takes me about 12 medium pods to get a moderate to extreme sense of euphoria and considerable respiratory depression (shallow, slow breathing). I would consider myself to have mild tolerance compared to most but to me 12 pods feels great. My gut feeling is that there is more morphine in my pods than rachamim suggests, but I cannot disprove it. All I can offer is my opinion and experience.

Yes I agree with you, after a month of continius use, they lost their magic, mostly because I can't realy consume more than 20g-30g at a time and fallow the tollerence that keep buid up.


I used Pod for 5 weeks. The last week I drop my usage to a Tea of 10g a day. I found the WD was very different of Hydromorph-contin. The Wd think that the WD from Pod was mostly physical than psychological. I couldnt eat for 4 days because my stomach wasnt able to maintin the food in :/

Maybe that was because after 5 months I didnt got euphoria anymore and I just take the dose to dont feel the WD.


In any case I find pod to be a very good opiate if keep in moderation.

I understand that a Opioid tolerent wont get something from Poppy, maybe could be good for slight help for the WD's. If I'd know about Pod when I've quit Hydromorphon and Fantanyl, I had try Poppy Pod.

 

[Lawrence]

I would like someone, on BL, to send rachimm, a sample of some really strong pods of theirs. Then let her decide if its all placebo.

And most people who are oxy addicts imo, are the people who have scripts, or have a steady hook up. I would definetly be buying more pods then oxy, but its actually cheaper to do oxy, so why not?

And i think all these facts and studies are bullshit, and not proven to be true at all.

So are people that are addicted to pod tea, experienceg placebo withdrawls? Get off your fucking high horse, and realize your not always right, and science doesnt always have an answer.

There is only ONE thing that is official.

Papaver Somniferum Pod's tea ISN'T A PLACEBO

This was alway true and still is.

 

[rangrz]

I usually use 6 pods per person (me and my GF) for a medium/light dose...i.e. not nodding or laying motionless, but just feeling pretty good and going out/watching a movie/ect.

if I wanna get blasted, I double that, 12 pods or so....

i'm talking the hueg ones, like tennis ball sized....12 pods usually leaves me unable to do anything except nod for a few hours.

I find it on par with 2 OC-80 that are crushed...and its a helluva lot cheaper....about 1/6th the cost....on par in intensity...however, the highs are of course somewhat different...but thats true with any opiate.... morphine is not oxy is not pethidine is not methadone is not buterphanol is not fentanyl is not tramadol is not DHC is not bupe ect.

edit: I dont see why dropping an oxy habit to pods is unrealalistic...oxycodone is an Mu agonist...morphine is an mu agonist...huge cross tolerence between them...morphine would fix your oxy withdrawls as well as methadone, pethidine, hydromorphone, dihydrocodine, or any other "normal" (not partial agonist or mixed agonist/antagonist or otherwise different/odd pharmacology opioid) would.

the science is pretty simple...opiates remove the withdrawl symptoms of opiates.


holy shit! who would of guessed?!

 

[ingannilo]

Lots of anger in this thread. Regarding the weight of my dose, I don't know. I've never weighed it. I have no scale, sorry.

Regarding the disputed facts:
There is no arguing with numbers. I agree entirely. I would typically side with you 100%. My personal experiences differing SO DRASTICALLY prompted me to post what I have. I'm not trying to argue the numbers, or ruffle feathers. I love facts and numbers more than anything.

I googled "morphine content pod somniforum" and got this
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...els+pod&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=opera

They don't site a journal or other scientific publication and that's a major fault for sure, but someone took the time to compile those numbers somehow. I can't imagine the motive for making all that up.

Sorry I couldn't find anything more scientific after looking a few minutes. There was also this:
www.poppies.org/2001/07/13/environmental-effects-on-morphine-content/
which is interesting, but unless knowing the amount of opium in each pod it's useless.

I had an idea that may explain these conflicts:
The content of each pod is largely a factor of the farmer's intentions. When and how they're harvested must play a role. Someone harvesting with the intention of selling them for consumers like us may take special care in how they're farmed (harvesting at the peak of production, drying technique). These factors must be important. They are with other farmed intoxicants.

Also worth thinking about is the whole kompot thing. For a product that is worth the effort and risk in the IV circuit, the straw must have significant alkaloid content.

Nothing's worth getting upset over. There's a lot of misinformation on the internet. This is a nice place because it's mostly people looking for honest, real, quantifiable answers.

 

[johanneschimpo]

zero at a time for me

 

[QuasiStoned]

zero at a time for me

And that gets you high?

 

[rachamim]

MMM: Look, read the thread carefully and then you will see why noone needs to send me "Strong" pods. As for "sending me anything," unlike any other poster on the site I actually have given out my real address several times and want to repeat , NEVER, EVER send me anything because I live in SE Asia, although they stopped executing people here in 2006 I can get life without parole for 10 grammes of poppy seeds. That is besides the fact that I would have no need for it even if they suddenly made it legal.

"Studies are BS.": Yeah, I mean after all they used to burn people for saying the Earth was round so why not? Actually, one study on its own means nothing but 2 centuries of scientific investigation sort of makes the statement look silly.

"Are people who are addicted to Pod Tea and experiencing W/D just feeling a placebo?": How could you get THAT from my posts? I will go out on a limb and say you have not actually read everything I have posted. In the end though, to each their own.

TMu: Pods can grow anywhere under 10,000 ft in altitude, and in any location outside of Anartica and the extrem Arctic. You need to find the right variety for your needs, and possibly treat your soil if not optimum but they grow like weeds.

Rangrz: "Why would it be a problem switching an oxycodone addiction to a pod addiction?": Cross-tolerance is not the issue, dosage is. You can easily find the equigesic dosage for one or the other, the problem is in the inability to consume enough pods BEFORE morphine's half life defeats it.

Inganillo: "Alot of anger in this thread...":Yeah, as predicted. Shame though.

I applaud you civility (seriously) but the 2 hyperlinks are not doing anything but offering more useless information. The first is some Poppies.org/Somni-fprum poster providing spurious numbers with no source (would not really matter if the numbers had any basis in fact, but they do not), and then the last set of numbers I saw did not even make sense from any angle. The second source is a great paper but is only talking about enviornmental factors affecting the morphine content OF OPIUM (I know you mentioned this limitation). It is good that you are at least searching on the subject but they the first is total garbage (no offence) and the second has nothing to do with dead pods.


You are ABSOLUTELY right about how they are grown, which orf course was what your second source is also discussing, but that is not what you need to look at. You live in N. America? If so, the pods you are getting were harvested after the plant died and dried in the dround.

I recommended that people examine Kabay. Kabay usually utilises plants dired artificially , at or prior to Tech. Ripeness and IF you examine this process and its results you will see that even then, at the point at which pods have the most alkaloidal content, it still needs at least 6 acidic treatments and EVEN THEN still produces paltry amounts! Then examine tea. Of course it is made by heating water, and soaking. That is it. End of story. Soaked pods, which died long ago, and that is the very end of the extraction. It is great at what it does, moderately extracting the minute amount of morphine still left in the pod.

Kompot, also known by the names Braun, Chernay, Cerny, Chernoy, Hanka, and many others is not a water extract,, AT ALL. Even then however, it is a piss poor result. As some here know, my mum's family is from Bessarabia, which is now called Trans-Diniester, between the modern nation of Moldova and Ukraine. It is major growing area, and it is the epicenter of the old Soviet era methods of extraction like the ones mentioned. Kompot is attributed to a chem. student from Gdansk in the 70s, yada,yada, and yada but to be honest Kompot is only a riff on a few traditional FSU methods.

Most years I go on pilgramage to Ukraine, like many Jews, at Jewish New Year. IF you go now though, NOONE is doing any of those old methods. Why? Poppies are available more than ever. The economy is still in shambles so a homemade extraction would be conveient for sure. The thing is, noone wastes their time when they can now buy heroin instead, even with the increased price. Kompot, et al were products of desperation, not choice and pleasure. Most of the time it had to be prepared with blood!!!

After 1994 the products disappeared (thank G-D) from the market.

One thing though that you COULD look at, is "Blackwater Opium." Blacwater is a Viet Namese homemade perperation that only relied on filtered poppy tea, boiled down and then injected in that concentrated form. Once they began have heroin appear on the local market that too disappeared so it is just going to prove that it is not a very desirable product.

Again though, it is refreshing to see posters who are trying to think , really think about the issue and a pleasure to have posters who can do sow ithout resorting to insults, etc.

 

[RhStu]

rachamim,

This latest post from you brought me back into this thread as much as I have tried to avoid it.

the problem is in the inability to consume enough pods BEFORE morphine's half life defeats it.

That statement without a doubt proves to me that you are posing and have no real world experience with good raw dried pods.
Nobody who has tried pods grown from a good source will read that and not shake their head in disbelief.

I don't know how long you intend to keep on with your argument but I think you have only dug yourself a hole and hurt your credibility.

Best of luck-
Stu

 

[mahatmaganja420]

HOLY SHIT! You guys are REDICULOUS! I just viewed the poll results (And though there shouldn't be a poll because the results can't be accurate in ANY way since it doesn't say anything about the size or weight of the pods... or where they are obtained from which makes a difference (because of grow conditions), or the STRAIN of the pods which ALSO makes a huge difference...) and it's ABSURD! You guys are doing SOMETHING HORRIBLY WRONG! You should NEVER need more then... 6 - 8 large pods, EVER in a tea. EVER! I’ve gone through YEARS of straight addiction, my latest stint being a year straight with no breaks (just the occasional running out and not being able to afford anything for a few days or whatever) and right now ~4 - 5 large pods will get me pretty good for the day. It doesn't get me high (but no amount will at this point, that's just opes in general) but it constricts my pupils, occasionally gives me the itch, etc. My body is high, very high... But I'm not euphoric or anything. And if I took just a LITTLE bit more, I'd probably nod my ass off. You people who "need" more than 9 are either fucking shit up TERRIBLY, or are using some tiny pods. Get the large or extra large pods, from a good reliable supplier, of the CORRECT kind of poppy pods, and make the tea CORRECTLY and you'll be fine.
One thing I have noticed is sometimes at a certain point... people keep raising their dose to make tea and feel they have hit a ceiling or something. That's not it, you just need water proportionate to the pod amount. I find that with 4 - 5 pods or roughly ~15 grams you need around 4.5 cups of water. At around 20 grams you'll need at least 5 cups of water. ALSO, don't just crush up the pods. YOU WILL BE WASTING AN UNGODLY AMOUNT THIS WAY! I didn't think you could POSSIBLY be losing out of that much, but you are, trust me. Get a GOOD grinder (Not one of those shitty coffee grinders with a little metal blade at the bottom. Spend ~50-60 bucks and get one that has a steel grind milling wheel at the bottom. TRUST ME! With one of these, you'll be VERY HAPPY!) which can turn your broken up pod pieces into a FINE powder. A powder that looks so fine that you would assume it could be snorted. That's how fine you want it (and how fine a GOOD grinder can EASILY get it). Then, heat up the water so that it's hot but NOT boiling. Put the powder in and stir CONTINUOUSLY (important) for 15 minutes. You don't need it anymore, or any less. Then, get a permanent coffee filter (one of those little metal filter screened things) and put 1 paper towel sheet in it (to make sure you catch all the pieces... just incase) and pour it through. POW, you have a pod tea liquid. You're done. Drink up. Some people can't handle the taste alone, so people sometimes do stuff like add lemon juice or whatever... Whatever helps you get it down, but the more you add the more you'll have to drink. And at 5 cups, that's already a great sum to chug. I find that a decent root beer makes a good chaser. Just chug the stuff down (as much at once as possible) then a small mouth full of root beer to clear the taste. Why root beer? Well, root beer doesn't (normally) have acids in it, so it won't hurt your teeth, or burn your mouth if it has to be held for a few seconds (also good to keep the pH of your stomach contents low to prevent premature breakdown of the active alkaloids). It also doesn't have artificial colorings in it (which is just good for health in general). The carbonation is light, but still enough to help wash the pod flavor out and replace it with the root beer. AND the flavor just seems to mesh well with the tea. So there ya go. Try it this way and I can guarantee (as long as you aren't using tiny pods, a shitty supplier, or have some kind of UNGODLY JUNKIE HABIT THAT ONLY THE RICHEST PEOPLE COULD AFFORD!) that 4-5 decently large pods will make a GREAT dose for you. AND as long as you don't fiend it up, that's all you'll need every 24 hours. (Hell, the tea usually lasts around 12, then you just have to last out another few and then go to bed regularly. Pow, wake up in the morning ready to do it again. AND if you wait and use only 1 time every 24 hours, the high will be much more potent and noticeable with a much greater euphoria.)

 

[johannes kreisler]

...do you get pinpoint pupils from thebaine?
I'm not sure but i don't think so.[btw in my pods theres is definitely a high amount of thebaine as I can't sleep 4 at least 20h after last consumption...]
IF NOT: next time I use, I could give you pictures of my pupils updated every 30min or something.


with the extraction-thing I did not meant simmering it down. U have to go the other way around(->ice) to get out the stuff u don't want to have in there. AFTER that u can simmer it down to a nearly solid matter.


some other things: there are some other alkaloids in pods besides morphine. codeine(!), thebaine and so. all with different effect and half-life - WHICH IS GREAT!

I don't want to mention ur "u can't OD tea cause of half-life and low potency and so on". I do not have numbers but it's just not true IN MY EVIDENCE. (after having been using different opiates for some years)


and finally u have to admit that all the wonderful opiates come out of poppypods!





ps: pods work out great for me, I do not need anything else[meaning drugs] AND THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY FOR FREE! that's it!

 

[Lawrence]

hoo, I was using only 1.5 cups for 20g of dried Pod, maybee that is why I don't get the most of them !!!! THANK YOU I will try 5 cups for the 20g.

Do add lemon juice to the tea, do something with the alkaloids extraction ???

 

[Lawrence]

...do you get pinpoint pupils from thebaine?
I'm not sure but i don't think so.[btw in my pods theres is definitely a high amount of thebaine as I can't sleep 4 at least 20h after last consumption...]
IF NOT: next time I use, I could give you pictures of my pupils updated every 30min or something.

Hi, I don't think Thebain have to do something with your sleep. Thebain is found only in small quantity and the halflife is short 2-3h I think.

 

[spacefacethebassace]

I don't think that using pods=using morphine.

There is going to be a lot of interaction between all the other alkaloids and there is never any way to discern the alkaloid composition of a sample.

Everybody, these half-life numbers are based on single administrations of individual drugs. However, all the poppy alkaloids are liver metabolized and since there are so many of them I think it's more than reasonable to assume that their co-administered half-lives will all be greater than each on its own.

My internet is too slow here but one of these days I'll cite papers and argue that pods are effective, potent, and potentially life-threatening.

 

[Lawrence]

I agree with you but you are still using alot of morphine.

 

[rachamim]

rHstu: I guess you missed the part about "confront the information and not the poster." If you really cannot help but criticise people, do it via PM, this is NOT the place for it.

Johannes:No offence but you should really read what I actually posted. I am well aware fof what is in pods.

Question: How do you make tea? You heat, or even boil the water, yes?
Question: What alkaloid(s) will you get if you use very hot water or boiling water?
Question: If no other alkaloids are being extracted in your hot or boiling water, what will all the other alkaloids matter?

Spaced: YOur assumption is incorrect. It does not matter how much you do. It is actually a sensible assumption, but scientifically unsound. You are not ingesting any discernible akaloids other than morphine. You are not ingesting a whole lot of morphine. Even IF all alkaloids were available to you, they metabolise very differently and at much different rates. But look at it this way if you want: Have you ever done heroin? Ever done ALOT of heroin? When you have done ALOT of it, has it lasted longer than when you did a bit?

Take 1 tab of 30 mg. morphine IR,time the experience. The next day take as much as you can handle (do it safely please, only work with what you know). Write down hoe long it lasts. You will be amazed, the duration does not change one iota.

As for pods being life threatening, who said that they were not?

 

[Lawrence]

Spaced: YOur assumption is incorrect. It does not matter how much you do. It is actually a sensible assumption, but scientifically unsound. You are not ingesting any discernible akaloids other than morphine. You are not ingesting a whole lot of morphine. Even IF all alkaloids were available to you, they metabolise very differently and at much different rates. But look at it this way if you want: Have you ever done heroin? Ever done ALOT of heroin? When you have done ALOT of it, has it lasted longer than when you did a bit?

Take 1 tab of 30 mg. morphine IR,time the experience. The next day take as much as you can handle (do it safely please, only work with what you know). Write down hoe long it lasts. You will be amazed, the duration does not change one iota.

As for pods being life threatening, who said that they were not?

Yeah I understant that. I already smoke a patch of 100ug Duragesic (Fentanyl), OVER 16h, that was 10mg of Fentanyl, and I havn't a big tollerence. The effect last a good 40h after my last hit even if the halflife of the Fent is short.

After 2 days, I had some WD from that 2 days abuse.

 

[4rachamim]

Hello all. I have browsed these forums on and off for some time. It seems that this is the thread that has convinced me to register. To be more specific it's rachamim that has enticed me. As you can tell by my name

First off, rachamim, don't worry.. this will be my only post (hopefully), unless you are able to counter my post with a logically consistent, valid, sound argument.

IF you want to prove me wrong, by all means do so, but the way to do that is provide facts that show me to be in error. Unfortunately, your subjective experiences are not going to do it.

I would love you hear your definition of a fact. It seems you are not willing to accept anything stated by anyone else because it has no official backing? Yet, I haven't seen a single source for anything you have said thus far in this thread. How about a link to a scientific journal, for starts?

Again I have to make it a point but the thread is naturally starting to ver into ad hom tettrritory.

I am so happy you bring this up, as it is very important in arguments. An Ad Hominem attack translates directly to "to the man". It's meaning is to attack a man (personally), instead of his argument.
While I have seen much of this on this thread, like most other threads on the net. It did not begin until rachamim's first post. In fact if you go back and read rachamim's first post you will find it is littered with all sorts of fallacies, one of the most obvious is all the laughter spilled out everywhere. If the laughter was not a means of belittling the statements you were responding to, then I do not understand its purpose. I apologize if I have mistake the context of the "hahahhahaha's" and "LOL's".

That is one of the great things about typed arguments. It destroys interruptions and allows one to be heard clearly and efficiently. It should also allow one to think long and hard about ones argument, which in turn should diminish the amount of fallacies present.

Rachamim, while I feel I could research for a couple hours and gain some quotes from reliable sources to prove many of the statements you have made incorrect (in their context), it doesn't seem worth it. I know that which you have said to be correct (there are many things) and that which is not (there are many things), but my knowledge is satisfying me. So I feel no need to get into a fact slinging debate. Especially when I have seen none come from you.

I do not mean to offend anyone with this post. I apologize if I have done so. I felt I need to post a response on this after seeing rachamim responding to majority of the other members posts with arguments. After receiving a degree in philosophy it is hard not to get involved in an argument Nonetheless, I do not come here to argue validity of the statements made, strictly the arguments themselves (are they vaild, sound, etc). And I can tell you rachamim, you need a lot of work on your own before you begin to pick apart others.

**takes a breath** With all that said. I am a complete skeptic and can not accept anything as complete truth with absolute certainty. But I can be "pretty sure" of things And I'm pretty sure, everyone on here is a decent human being. Basejumper, I'm sorry your post/poll got completely thrown to the side with this argument (which seems to be propelled by rachamim, maybe rach is a philosopher too!). To answer your original question:

I have only made PPT 3 times. Dosed probably about 10 times. So I'm still gauging my dose. But from my lack of personal experience with it, I'd say my dose (as of now) is about 7 pods (md size).

Again, rachamim this is not to attack you in anyway. I just feel that some of the things stated in your posts are a fallacy.

I wish everyone a happy thanksgiving. You too rachamim. Eat well. Hug your loved ones. And look to the sky. Question. Think. Wonder. Dream. Live. Exist.

Your friendly neighbor,
-Mr. Pink