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[Didgital]

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Oops. I have a rule about never rushing the process of weighing. My scale is cheap, and that means I have to use techniques that are very time consuming to get results I trust. Liquid measurement is definitely more convenient but comes with its own caveats.

Yeah I think ever since that night, I've been much more careful as far as not rushing though there's still been times I've weighed something and thought "close enough". I actually came back and played around with that exact scale later (my friends). I pretty sure I weighed out what said 25mg. Turned the scale off and poured that same 25mg on and it said something like 32mg. It was not a trustworthy scale. Not something I'd weight 2C-P on that's for sure.

 

[iom]

My scale reads to 0.001g, and for measuring individual doses of anything stronger than 2C-E I use liquid.

Trustworthy weighing depends on a combination of equipment and technique. Scales have quirks. Cheap scales use dirty tricks to improve usable precision, making them more difficult to use reliably, but even expensive scales are sensitive to technique (and to damage if mishandled). For example every good balance I've seen in an actual lab is left powered on at all times.

 

[xdrc]

For example every good balance I've seen in an actual lab is left powered on at all times.

For real, it seems like only 1 in 10 people can leave a scale behind without making a mess, but that 1 person may switch depending on moon phase and what-not.

 

[Esperighanto]

The fact fact that it took him 1.5 hrs to feel anything and that he had pellets (microdots)... who else thinks Hunter actually had Owlsley or Nick Sand's DOM??? To me, it definitely sounds more like DOM.

Ive literally forgotten I'd taken DOM once as the come up is so long. and a few hrs later i was like "why am i tripping?? Oh yeah i totally took DOM a few hrs ago.."

Those around me including myself have all forgotten we took DOM before, whereas mescaline is noticeable much sooner. I always suspected that the "pellets" of mescaline were a crude extract that had been turned into one of those paste pellets similar to pastille tablets in Europe during the 1800s, but it very well could've been DOM given the time period, I'm not sure. I mean, the late 70s had a DOC bust in Canada so the glory of the psychedelic amphetamine seems to have many roots. My obsession with psychedelic amphetamines is truly greater than any other class of drug I think, I'm putting off trying the TMA-2 I was gifted a couple doses of until 11/26 to celebrate Shulgin's subjective variant of bicycle day, 11/26/1962.

To this day I'm not really sure of my dose but based on effect and size of pile of powder I'd estimate it was 40-50mg which to some isn't a massive dose. However for me I have learned anything over 28mg is too much. I've only intentionally take it higher than 28mg before this or since, but even that time I was having trouble articulating myself. IME as I push the dose past what I consider ideal, the intensity increases while any therapeutic benefit seems to go down. I might take a large dose again, but if I do I think I'd prefer to do it all alone. Not being able to articulate myself seems to cause me a good deal of anxiety/embarrassment.

I did once take 35mg but it was spread out over 4 hours and was totally manageable.

2C-B, like many phenethylamines responds well to being taken in split dosing, 35mg over 4 hours is pretty merciful compared to 28mg all at once imo. My fiance is ~150lbs and did a keybump that was more of a uh, a "keyline" I'll say. I'm talking the length of the key, eyeballed from a baggie of 2C-B I had sleight-of-hand placed in his pocket at a barcade. I did a normal keybump, came out, the bag ended up in his pocket, I let him know and he went and did his "keyline", walked out of the bathroom shaking and hit me with some "we need to Uber home now" type shit. It was hilarious in retrospect, the Uber driver was an older man who could tell we were geeked up, we went home and rode that trip out comfortably haha. I consider social doses of 2C-B to end around 18-20mg, but if you're just spamming 10mg doses every 60-90 minutes it remains sociable and pleasant for quite a long time, even longer with ketamine in the mix as ket seems to "round out" 2C-B where it adds a "sharper" feeling edge to other psychedelics for me.

I'm currently waiting for my tolerance to reset (2 more days), but I've been getting to know mescaline in its pure form and it's been quite enlightening. A large dose (525mg) was life-altering at a fundamental level, I've used mescaline a total of 8 times so far which pales in comparison to hundreds of LSD, 2C-B, psilocybin, DMT, DOM, DOB, etc. experiences, but it's also motivated me to grow and extract more of it as I'm fascinated by how synthetically pure mescaline relates to the extracted stuff. There is definitely a difference, and there appears to be little interest in feeling out the differences here with any degree of scientific rigor. I can dab Apple kush and be well aware that the apple-ish taste is the result of terpinolene, cool. Why do bridgesii samples have such tunnel-oriented visuals and thoughts pertaining to time that are akin to some sort of "vision quest" ordeal? I suspect I may have to be one of the earlier folks to take a swing at figuring this out.

Life has been generally slow and sluggish recently, I can't wait to get back to work soon enough.

Unrelated, but has anybody here developed a shorthand for notation while tripping? I've been working on the concept recently.

 

[iom]

I've used mescaline a total of 8 times so far which pales in comparison to hundreds of LSD, 2C-B, psilocybin, DMT, DOM, DOB, etc. experiences, but it's also motivated me to grow and extract more of it as I'm fascinated by how synthetically pure mescaline relates to the extracted stuff. There is definitely a difference, and there appears to be little interest in feeling out the differences here with any degree of scientific rigor.

What do you mean by "there appears to be little interest in feeling out the differences here with any degree of scientific rigor". There's little interest by whom? I think at least a few of us here on Bluelight including myself are fascinated by this subject.

At the same time, this seems like a very challenging project. I guess it depends on how much rigor you want. Like, can we simply rely on a pool of experienced volunteer bioassayers (such as ourselves)? Or do we worry about placebo/nocebo effects and try to assess responses in a sample more representative of the general population?

 

[xdrc]

Took 18 mg 2C-D today on a nice autumn day. It's my favourite season and 2C-D fits in so well. I suppose it may very well be my favourite psychedelic, but of course different compounds have different uses. At first it was very clearheaded, augmenting the autumn day, enhancing perception. Luckily I had some crumbled walnuts in my jacket to bribe the local crow population. The dose felt perfect for being out in public as it did something, but not too much, so there was none of the kind of anxiety I get when I'm on higher doses whether people would be able to tell I'm tripping. So there was much confidence and a good mood strolling around. But going shopping for groceries on the plateau (just a few things, not a big haul) was a bit more adventurous and I would have wished the dose to be 3 mg lower. It also proved challenging to prepare a cake from a baking mix despite it only involving a whole of 3 things to be mixed together. But I managed. And last but not least, it seems to have reinstated the break from the irrational desire to relapse on stimulants brought on by the DOM a little over 2 weeks ago which was beginning to fade. So for now, (psychedelic) beatings will continue until moral improves.

 

[Didgital]

Took 18 mg 2C-D today on a nice autumn day. It's my favourite season and 2C-D fits in so well. I suppose it may very well be my favourite psychedelic, but of course different compounds have different uses. At first it was very clearheaded, augmenting the autumn day, enhancing perception. Luckily I had some crumbled walnuts in my jacket to bribe the local crow population. The dose felt perfect for being out in public as it did something, but not too much, so there was none of the kind of anxiety I get when I'm on higher doses whether people would be able to tell I'm tripping. So there was much confidence and a good mood strolling around. But going shopping for groceries on the plateau (just a few things, not a big haul) was a bit more adventurous and I would have wished the dose to be 3 mg lower. It also proved challenging to prepare a cake from a baking mix despite it only involving a whole of 3 things to be mixed together. But I managed. And last but not least, it seems to have reinstated the break from the irrational desire to relapse on stimulants brought on by the DOM a little over 2 weeks ago which was beginning to fade. So for now, (psychedelic) beatings will continue until moral improves.

Soooo.. I can't say for sure, but 2C-D has probably been a huge reason that I have completely stopped using alcohol at least for now. I'm on 4 months without a sip currently. I've been on probation for quite some time now and for the longest time, I was sneaking alcohol in when I could. For instance right after taking a UA. Eventually I became a little adventurous and I started taking 2C-D semi regularly and then mescaline. 2C-D on my 78mg experience I was actually drinking everyday and I didn't expect that day to be different. However during my peak I had such mental and emotional clarity that I thought alcohol would absolutely ruin the ecstatic state I was in. I genuinely had zero desire to have any alcohol during the peak. I ended up having a few beers after the peak to bring myself down (it was a 9 hr thing that time). After that trip, I thought I'd start to explore 2C-D as more of a cognitive enhancer and I started to minidose 2C-D at least once a week. It wasn't immediate and I didn't really think about it til I read this comment of yours, but since I started minidosing, I have had pretty much zero urge to use alcohol, at least once I broke the actual habitual aspect of my drinking.

I will occasionally have a very rough day for whatever reason and I have said in my head "man I could use a drink", but it was never a strong pull and now in retrospect all of the recent moments I've thought that, I can see they were very fleeting thoughts. Glad you're staying away from your particular vice.

 

[Didgital]

Going to a wedding this evening. Was considering eating some ARIADNE but seeing as it's not psychedelic, I was thinking of throwing 20 mgs of 2CD on top to try and draw out it's effects.

 

[iom]

Going to a wedding this evening. Was considering eating some ARIADNE but seeing as it's not psychedelic, I was thinking of throwing 20 mgs of 2CD on top to try and draw out it's effects.

I won't even try to guess what kind of synergies you may encounter there. In other words, good luck and have fun!

 

[Didgital]

I won't even try to guess what kind of synergies you may encounter there. In other words, good luck and have fun!

Aight... sooo. I started the day off with 12mg of 2CD. 5 and a half hours later, it had largely worn off at least to an easily perceptible level. I took 25mg of the ARIADNE (4C-D) right before leaving for the wedding and it worked very well as a booster. It was difficult to really differentiate between the 2C-D but I could feel it physically in my eyes and my jaw, not that it was tweaky. In fact it was very smooth. Perfect for a wedding where I didn't want to be or appear altered and still be social. It wasn't visual and if it was I would say less so than 2C-D.

The reason I did it the way I did.. is most of the reports I've read about taking ARIADNE by itself is people get to a point where they think something is going to happen, and then nothing happens. And I've read similar things even at doses up to 100mg. I really didn't want to go all in to start so I stacked it on top of something I'm very very familiar with, and it definitely had a presence. Never was it overwhelming it just felt like an extension and a slightly different vibe of 2C-D. It was not like DOM (3C-D) which i find quite stimulating and I feel like I have a hard time of hiding the fact that I took something, even at sub 1mg.

 

[JackARoe]

Perfect for a wedding where I didn't want to be or appear altered and still be social. It wasn't visual and if it was I would say less so than 2C-D.

Pretty ballsy. I never ever want to go to a wedding ever again. And to experiment. But I guess everyone looks sort of spaced at a wedding. Always the drunks that make themselves known. But yeah, no more weddings. I think I may be in the clear at this point. It turned to funerals, which II would never trip at. Oh man I was just thinking of the people I knew and yes, more funerals are coming up. Never knew that about aging.

Last Thurs I took 20 mgs of 2C-B. Had a beautiful day trip, took it at 8:30 AM. listened to music for a good bit then hit a trail to see the fall trees. 20 mgs was more than enough for a good 6 hour trip.

So next trip I am probably going to look at mushrooms.

 

[Didgital]

Trust me it was the kind of wedding that turned into a rave at 11pm and went til 2am. I had taken another unknown quantity of 2C-D around 10pm for a little extra boost and danced until 1:30am.

Today, I actually had a pretty long recovery period which is uncharacteristic of 2C-D at normal doses. I'm going to chalk it up to the dancing and long day and late night over the 4C-D but I can't rule it out. I've also been taking tetrahydropalmatine every other day and that can make me a bit groggy.

Lastly I'd forgot to mention I had shed a tear while on my way to the wedding. I did mentioned I noticed the drug effect in my eyes, but I was also a touch emotional over the gratitude of having access to such molecules as well as my friends getting married. I think it was a combination of all 3, and by the time I showed up I was right as rain.

 

[xdrc]

Today, I actually had a pretty long recovery period which is uncharacteristic of 2C-D at normal doses. I'm going to chalk it up to the dancing and long day and late night over the 4C-D but I can't rule it out.

The first time I went to a club sober (instead of under the influence of alcohol), I felt hungover the next day. Pretty much exactly like with alcohol. I knew it was the healthier decision but that sucked! To me, the two biggest factors are sleep deprivation and dehydration. Ever since I'm getting myself a bottle of cola at the start of a night out and refill with tap water so I can continually drink while dancing as hard as endurance permits. I don't have a solution against sleep deprivation other than going to bed at the appropriate time, but that by itself does not feel like a hangover (yet).

2C-D in low doses does not have any hangover for me, but I've yet to try it out in a similar context. Even 2C-B after a night out may induce only its after-trip headache but I still feel pretty fit after it. I believe even during the latest escapade with the difficult experience.

Spoiler: About that...

I went clubbing on the pretty solid dose of 24 mg. I did not really feel like tripping that day nor like going to the club but I had preordered a ticket and could not leave my friend hanging. I took a whole 24 mg with me to decide there if and how much I'd take (this was an agar tab made for personal use splittable into 4x 6 mg pieces). I decided to take it and not wanting to waste any took the whole damn thing. I had a meal of foraged mushrooms 2 h earlier. I did not expect its onset to be so delayed. At first I regretted not having weed with me as I would have tried intensifying whatever little effects I had. I'm so glad my vaporiser was not charged and left at home.

But then it came on an hour or so later than it usually does, and the dancefloor was not a good place to be on. I had a flashback to the whole "my hand is dying" thing I got from 25E-NBOH 3 years ago, and which I had thought I was beyond now. I tried dancing it out but felt like my soul was beginning to leave my body and an egodeath experience in a full club felt inappropriate. Fortunately, my friend was not feeling the vibe either and helped me get home by tram. The whole time, despite me doing the best to calm myself down and just let it happen (which I managed surprisingly well), I had a very much increased pulse as measured by my watch. I felt as if I was poisoned or as if the foraged mushrooms may have intensified the 2C-B due to some unknown interaction I had neglected to find out (in hindsight, there should have been nothing to worry - I did not find any candidates for interaction).

At home and in bed, at a time where the 2C-B usually would have already ended, I was in for a very intense ride. I do not often get CEVs and can't remember ever having much to show with 2C-B, but here I was having intense CEVs similar in nature to DMT, but with not quite the vibrancy nor increase in field of view. The foraged mushrooms were dancing in front of me as if to ridicule me (somewhat akin to a mushroom machinery version of this) as I was tormented with the consequences of my actions. And I swore to myself I would never bring myself in such a situation again and many more things. A lot of those things I now retract, having had time to think over them sober, but at the moment it felt easier to give in to that tremendous force

Well, it's something I said previously: always when I thought I had thoroughly explored 2C-B, and it would not surprise me anymore after the many many trips I had with it, it would show me a new aspect of it. I've never had it been this powerful but then again I had not ever taken it quite as stupidly. It's great stuff and as difficult as that experience was, it actually gave me some confidence in managing some stronger experiences. But I'll try not having to rely on such confidence by being a little more careful with the basics (set/setting/dose) which were all wrongly chosen during that particular experience. I'm glad I was experienced enough to somewhat manage after that blunder. Any less trust in myself or 2C-B and it would have been a total freakout. Yet I do not have to retract my statement that 2C-B usually does not hand out more than one can handle - which can be a lot!

It feels so good to be doing psychedelics more frequently again instead of being caught up with frequent stimulant binge relapses. I really believe I'm finally over that chapter in my life now - it took me long enough. Even if it were to require frequent dosing of psychedelics every 1-4 weeks to keep it up (which I do not believe to be the case longterm), it's a much smaller price to pay and a much more beautiful one. I fixed that one major thing I was running from for the last weeks. I've also taken up meeting more frequently with friends and doing more physical exercise. Next goal is stopping my sugar addiction. I'm still in my late twenties but beginning to move towards the 30s and as such it's time to quit messing around and lay a solid foundation for graceful aging

 

[iom]

I want to note that from my 2C-B + 2C-D mini dose combo two weeks ago, I had a quite pronounced afterglow, and while there was some 2C-B "flavor" in there, I felt the 2C-D aspects dominated here. I dug out a major project that I haven't worked on for many years (mostly due to health, but nevertheless), and I saw many new directions to take including things I could do to potentially make progress quickly with the resources I had available. The impetus came from handful of thoughts I had while dancing in the actual experience, and in the last couple weeks, I conceived of a plan and executed it to completion. I experienced considerable mental clarity and stamina.

I'm still not sure what I think of 2C-D as a full blown psychedelic, but as a mini-dosing "smart drug" it's pretty damn spectacular.